700 ''Hurt Locker'' IP-addresses Goes to Court

[joebob2000]

If they decided to go after speeders by going through neighborhoods and looking for fast cars, then coming up to the door and saying "prove you have never sped in that car or you are getting a ticket" people would be outraged. In my state (Ohio) there is a huge legal battle over the authority for police to give citations for speeding without documented evidence (in other words, no "eyeing" is allowed) and this piracy thing goes soo much farther than that, basically convicting anyone who has an IP address with no evidence that there was an actual infringement.

To any troll who says "the pirates are going to get what they deserve"... it's time to Godwin this bitch. You know who else said "it's fine since they will all get what they deserve"? That's right. HITLER. You are basically giving a green light to fascism if you think this evidence-free approach to justice is remotely appropriate.

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Proxy and tunneling dude... But you sure deserve the thumb down.[/citation]

I hate to be the one to tell you, TommySch, but, if a download makes it to your computer, it can be followed.

I'm curious - what makes you feel that you have the right to obtain movies, music, or software without paying for it???

 

[Sorax]

Hurt Locker wasn't in theaters in Late April - early May. So we aren't talking about a potentially lost movie ticket. Instead we're talking about a rental, or a DVD purchase, or On Demand. And multiple viewers is commonly accepted with any of those sources.

I think this makes the lawsuit that much more shameless. Extorting $2500 with the legal system's help in America. Very disappointing.

 

[Guest]

So the movie was realistic.....that's why you don't like it.

Yeah because realistically the movie WAS about the technical aspects of disarming bombs not about the chartacter himself. Fuck plots lets just have technical briefings on how to disarm 105 mm shells buried in sand. I'm sure that's what the oscar people REALLY wanted to see.

Get over yourself, who cares if it wasn't technically accurate, the point of the movie is a little deeper then, "this guy cut this wire blah blah blah."

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]joebob2000[/nom]If they decided to go after speeders by going through neighborhoods and looking for fast cars, then coming up to the door and saying "prove you have never sped in that car or you are getting a ticket" people would be outraged. In my state (Ohio) there is a huge legal battle over the authority for police to give citations for speeding without documented evidence (in other words, no "eyeing" is allowed) and this piracy thing goes soo much farther than that, basically convicting anyone who has an IP address with no evidence that there was an actual infringement.To any troll who says "the pirates are going to get what they deserve"... it's time to Godwin this bitch. You know who else said "it's fine since they will all get what they deserve"? That's right. HITLER. You are basically giving a green light to fascism if you think this evidence-free approach to justice is remotely appropriate.[/citation]

Your analogy about fast cars doesn't hold water. If the producers of the movie in question accused any person who has a computer that has an internet connection with copyright infringement, then you'd have a point. They are only accusing those for whom they have proof. You are responsible for your IP address, and everything that goes through it. You are also responsible for anything anyone does with your computer or your wireless network.

Simply put, obtaining copies of movies, music, and software, in any way, without paying for it, is illegal - period. And the only way for copyrighted material to go through your IP address is for someone to be downloading or uploading it from your computer or network - period. And, again, you are responsible for your computer, and your network.

You can call people names all you want. It won't change the fact that it is illegal and immoral to obtain copies of a movie without paying for it. And, no, they are not targeting people without proof. They can prove that your computer or network was used to obtain movies without paying for them, and you are responsible for your computer and network - period.

 

[hanrak]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]That won't work. You are responsible for your computer, and your network - and anything that is done with them.[/citation]
Here in the UK it does not work like that, you have to prove i did it and you simply cant with an IP address alone. They have lost test cases and wont take anyone else to court because the evidence will not hold! Maybe your talking about US law in which case i dont know. Simple precautions taken can protect you against this anyway. A combination of peer guardian, tunnelling and proxy make you invincible so stop trying to pretend other wise and scare people. Your full of it.

 

[Guest]

80% of people who pirated it are probably overseas so how is this fair to the 'American People'.. Why not sue internationally if they want to make it Fair...

In my country they say.. fuck the other country not your own..

So Americans should try to avoid suing Americans.. or keep it fair sue all.

 

[joebob2000]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]Your analogy about fast cars doesn't hold water. If the producers of the movie in question accused any person who has a computer that has an internet connection with copyright infringement, then you'd have a point. They are only accusing those for whom they have proof. You are responsible for your IP address, and everything that goes through it. You are also responsible for anything anyone does with your computer or your wireless network.Simply put, obtaining copies of movies, music, and software, in any way, without paying for it, is illegal - period. And the only way for copyrighted material to go through your IP address is for someone to be downloading or uploading it from your computer or network - period. And, again, you are responsible for your computer, and your network.You can call people names all you want. It won't change the fact that it is illegal and immoral to obtain copies of a movie without paying for it. And, no, they are not targeting people without proof. They can prove that your computer or network was used to obtain movies without paying for them, and you are responsible for your computer and network - period.[/citation]

Try to follow since you seem to be especially dumb.

THEY. HAVE. NO. PROOF.

They have a list of numbers.

123.22.12.187
19.67.87.44
21.45.23.199

There, I just generated "proof" that these 3 people are infringing my personally copyrighted works, and I am demanding that 1) someone else investigate who they actually are and 2) the courts prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law unless they settle with me for an undisclosed sum.

DO YOU GET IT NOW??? OR SHOULD I SHOUT SOME MORE? Jesus for someone who has managed to remember to breathe for this long you are intractably stupid. I don't pirate crappy movies or anything else; in fact I am in the software industry and benefit from copy protection measures and enforcement. However, somehow, in some massive culmination of genius, I can still recognize that *THIS SHIT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL*.

 

[hanrak]

Mgilbert is a talking out of his arse. I have been on the receiving end of these lawyers in the UK saying they had 100% proof i did it and they were taking me to court unless i paid £500. I denied i had done it or that to my knowledge no one i knew had done it on my computer and begged them to take court. Did they take me? Did they hell.

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]joebob2000[/nom]Try to follow since you seem to be especially dumb.THEY. HAVE. NO. PROOF.They have a list of numbers.123.22.12.18719.67.87.4421.45.23.199There, I just generated "proof" that these 3 people are infringing my personally copyrighted works, and I am demanding that 1) someone else investigate who they actually are and 2) the courts prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law unless they settle with me for an undisclosed sum.DO YOU GET IT NOW??? OR SHOULD I SHOUT SOME MORE? Jesus for someone who has managed to remember to breathe for this long you are intractably stupid. I don't pirate crappy movies or anything else; in fact I am in the software industry and benefit from copy protection measures and enforcement. However, somehow, in some massive culmination of genius, I can still recognize that *THIS SHIT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL*.[/citation]

College Graduation with a 4.0 average. IQ tests around 150. I'm not stupid - and your name calling is childish, and in violation of this forum's policies. If you can't act like an adult, go away until you've grown up.

Your IP addresses are made up. Theirs are not. If your IP address transmitted or received part of the movie, it did so because it was on your computer. I'd love to download movies. I hope their methods are found to be unconstitutional. If you didn't download the movie, then you have nothing to worry about.

 

[dwhapham]

I recommend anyone who uses one of those ISPs that gave up their customers IP address, and has another ISP option in their area, to cancel their service and go with the other option. That's the only way to get these ISPs to stand up for your privacy.

 

[dwhapham]

I recommend anyone who uses one of those ISPs that gave up their customers IP address, and has another ISP option in their area, to cancel their service and go with the other option. That's the only way to get these ISPs to stand up for your privacy.

 

[Guest]

How do they plan to prove that the IP address wasn't spoofed or that someone next door or in the driveway didn't access the wifi?

 

[hixbot]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]That won't work. You are responsible for your computer, and your network - and anything that is done with them.[/citation]
Not true.
If a red light camera catches your car going through a red light, that is insufficient evidence to ticket YOU. The camera must also place you in the car while running the red in order to issue you a ticket.

By the same logic, if they have proof that your IP address downloaded Hurt Locker, but the find that many, many users could have been using that address (student network, unsecured wifi, etc), then they have no proof that YOU commited the crime. mgilbert if you have a particular legal clause to back up your claim, please do so, otherwise quit spouting your speculations as fact.

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]I hate to be the one to tell you, TommySch, but, if a download makes it to your computer, it can be followed.I'm curious - what makes you feel that you have the right to obtain movies, music, or software without paying for it???[/citation]

I love to be the one to tell you that you are wrong... Its almost impossible to track me through the *** network. Try to peel the onion and you will see for yourself. lol

I dont feel like I have the right to download anything, that never stopped me. I pay for what I find useful/good, that way I dont get scammed by a marketing team every time I buy an over hyped crap.

BTW Im a network admin so I know a few tricks that a lawyer doesnt.

 

[dwhapham]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]That won't work. You are responsible for your computer, and your network - and anything that is done with them.[/citation]

Wrong. If I leave an ax in my front yard and my neighbor decides to kill his wife with it, does game make me responsible for her death? Use your brain...

 

[potatolord]

[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Proxy and tunneling dude... But you sure deserve the thumb down.[/citation]

Ah well, I take the view that I probably don't need to know, given that I don't pirate software, films and music. I believe that people should be paid for their work, but obviously other people think that stealing ("copying" for the legal experts here) their work is fine.

As I've already said, it's going to be exciting finding out how all the excuses being offered here stand up in court.

To all those people who are assuming that the police, lawyers and technical experts employed by the media companies are not as clever as you are: this is often a very foolish thing to assume. It can be an extremely costly mistake.

 

[wawa sxm]

All i know is that time warner is my next isp provider...i like their attitude (thats too much work to do send the lawyers!)

 

[joebob2000]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]If you didn't download the movie, then you have nothing to worry about.[/citation]

You don't hear a single thing other than what comes out of your own smug, self-assured, arrogant mouth; do you? You have absolutely no way of knowing if the data these lawyers collected is even remotely accurate, and yet you are here fighting tooth and nail trying to defend them and this entire mockery of our legal system. That is scary. What happens when they decide to make being a complete e-asshole illegal, and send you a subpoena? Are you going to lay down and say "boy I sure have this coming to me... you caught me fair and square!"? For someone allegedly so smart you sure have a hard time seeing reality.

 

[hanrak]

[citation][nom]potatolord[/nom]Ah well, I take the view that I probably don't need to know, given that I don't pirate software, films and music. I believe that people should be paid for their work, but obviously other people think that stealing ("copying" for the legal experts here) their work is fine.As I've already said, it's going to be exciting finding out how all the excuses being offered here stand up in court.To all those people who are assuming that the police, lawyers and technical experts employed by the media companies are not as clever as you are: this is often a very foolish thing to assume. It can be an extremely costly mistake.[/citation]
Mate it wont be exciting at all, if you actually READ what people like joebob and myself are saying. You deny it end of story. The evidence of an IP address alone is not good enough and take it from me, iv been through this process so have a very good insight into it. For example i live in a house with 4 family members and we share on PC. You tell me how in a court of law you can prove which one of us downloaded illegal files? And thats without even going into weather or not my Wi-Fi is secure,somebody hijacked my IP address,or the company that tracked my IP has its software audited and is proven to be fail safe. You cant do it, end of story.