Antenna recommendation - San Diego

G

Guest

Guest
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

I live in the San Carlos area of San Diego. HDTV UHF broadcasting
occurs in at least 3 different directions from me. What antenna will
work well for this kind of situation? I don't want to install a
rotor.

I live less than 10 miles from Mt. Miguel antennae, 12 miles from Mt.
Soledad antennae, and about 20 miles from Channel 6's antenna in
Mexico.

I greatly appreciate your help.
 
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

Owlman wrote:
>
> I live in the San Carlos area of San Diego. HDTV UHF broadcasting
> occurs in at least 3 different directions from me. What antenna will
> work well for this kind of situation? I don't want to install a
> rotor.
>
> I live less than 10 miles from Mt. Miguel antennae, 12 miles from Mt.
> Soledad antennae, and about 20 miles from Channel 6's antenna in
> Mexico.
>
> I greatly appreciate your help.


After a mini ton of research on your location via both

Garmin GPS maps (topo & street) and Antennaweb.org....

I tracked your location down to ZIP 92113, Logan Heights,
St Anns Catholic Church area....

Yes, there are 7 "UHF" Digital TV networks at the 3 locations....
The words All UHF is important...

NW Chans 25, 55 at 12mi & 309 Deg
E Chans 18, 19, 30, 40 at 10 miles & 77 Deg
SE Chan 23 (Mexico FOX) at 14 mi & 147 Deg

You prefer no rotor... And all station are 14 miles or closer.

The Digital 'relative' Power levels of the 7 signals can be

determined by a Samsung Set Top Box.. Only you have this info...

1) You need a UHF antenna for the 7 Digital signals...
I'm not here considering the more complex Analog VHF
channel setup....

2) Based upon the relative strength of each channel..
You might try using the Front & Back of the antenna....
For reception.. Like a Channel Master 3021 UHF
4 bay bow tie...

Aiming direction is NW to SE (Front to back or reverse)
This gets 25 & 55 head on AND bisects the 4 East channels
and Mexico channel, each off by 35 Deg....

3) If 1 Antenna does not cover 3 directions....

Antenna 1 does cover both NW & SE.... then 2nd Antenna ($25 unit)
covers the 4 East channels....

You'll need some sort of Combiner from Radio Shack to
merge the 2 Antenna signals....

Now just how bad the Digital Multi Path is... is Important....

With no Rotor, close range, all UHF, & 3 directions...
It's possible.
 
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

Wow! You are good. My zip is actually 92119, but you've got the
basic area. The primary channels we need are those to the northwest
of us (about 12 miles) and southeast (about 9 miles)--though not in a
straight line. The one station (Fox) is pretty much south or maybe
southwest of us southwest of us by about 20 miles. It's probably the
least important of the channels for us to receive.

I don't have power readings at this point, since I'm not getting my
receiver until Wednesday (just getting ready for it by doing some
research).

I've thought about trying the Zenith Silver Sensor that I've read
about on this group and seeing how much of a hassle the manual
adjustment is. I also spotted on Radio Shack's website a
multi-directional antenna that actually attaches to our DISH satelitte
dish--not sure if that's a good thing or not.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F001%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2190

I just checked out your recommendation for the Channel Master 3021 and
I think it would be doable, but it won't have a completely
unobstructed view of the broadcast antennae--it would likely be below
our roof level for the southern channels, but may have a fairly clear
view to the northwestern signals.

If I can find a good local antenna supplier, hopefully, I can try out
a couple of options and see which works best.

Any other thoughts or guidance? I certainly do appreciate your taking
the time to help me on this.



On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:00:23 -0500, Dennis Mayer <Polaris1@execpc.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Owlman wrote:
>>
>> I live in the San Carlos area of San Diego. HDTV UHF broadcasting
>> occurs in at least 3 different directions from me. What antenna will
>> work well for this kind of situation? I don't want to install a
>> rotor.
>>
>> I live less than 10 miles from Mt. Miguel antennae, 12 miles from Mt.
>> Soledad antennae, and about 20 miles from Channel 6's antenna in
>> Mexico.
>>
>> I greatly appreciate your help.
>
>
> After a mini ton of research on your location via both
>
> Garmin GPS maps (topo & street) and Antennaweb.org....
>
> I tracked your location down to ZIP 92113, Logan Heights,
> St Anns Catholic Church area....
>
> Yes, there are 7 "UHF" Digital TV networks at the 3 locations....
> The words All UHF is important...
>
> NW Chans 25, 55 at 12mi & 309 Deg
> E Chans 18, 19, 30, 40 at 10 miles & 77 Deg
> SE Chan 23 (Mexico FOX) at 14 mi & 147 Deg
>
> You prefer no rotor... And all station are 14 miles or closer.
>
> The Digital 'relative' Power levels of the 7 signals can be
>
> determined by a Samsung Set Top Box.. Only you have this info...
>
> 1) You need a UHF antenna for the 7 Digital signals...
> I'm not here considering the more complex Analog VHF
> channel setup....
>
> 2) Based upon the relative strength of each channel..
> You might try using the Front & Back of the antenna....
> For reception.. Like a Channel Master 3021 UHF
> 4 bay bow tie...
>
> Aiming direction is NW to SE (Front to back or reverse)
> This gets 25 & 55 head on AND bisects the 4 East channels
> and Mexico channel, each off by 35 Deg....
>
> 3) If 1 Antenna does not cover 3 directions....
>
> Antenna 1 does cover both NW & SE.... then 2nd Antenna ($25 unit)
> covers the 4 East channels....
>
> You'll need some sort of Combiner from Radio Shack to
> merge the 2 Antenna signals....
>
> Now just how bad the Digital Multi Path is... is Important....
>
> With no Rotor, close range, all UHF, & 3 directions...
> It's possible.
 
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

Owlman wrote:
>
> Wow! You are good. My zip is actually 92119, but you've got the
> basic area. The primary channels we need are those to the northwest
> of us (about 12 miles) and southeast (about 9 miles)--though not in a
> straight line. The one station (Fox) is pretty much south or maybe
> southwest of us southwest of us by about 20 miles. It's probably the
> least important of the channels for us to receive.
>
> I don't have power readings at this point, since I'm not getting my
> receiver until Wednesday (just getting ready for it by doing some
> research).
>
> I've thought about trying the Zenith Silver Sensor that I've read
> about on this group and seeing how much of a hassle the manual
> adjustment is. I also spotted on Radio Shack's website a
> multi-directional antenna that actually attaches to our DISH satelitte
> dish--not sure if that's a good thing or not.
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F001%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2190
>
> I just checked out your recommendation for the Channel Master 3021 and
> I think it would be doable, but it won't have a completely
> unobstructed view of the broadcast antennae--it would likely be below
> our roof level for the southern channels, but may have a fairly clear
> view to the northwestern signals.
>
> If I can find a good local antenna supplier, hopefully, I can try out
> a couple of options and see which works best.
>
> Any other thoughts or guidance? I certainly do appreciate your taking
> the time to help me on this.
>
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:00:23 -0500, Dennis Mayer <Polaris1@execpc.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Owlman wrote:
> >>
> >> I live in the San Carlos area of San Diego. HDTV UHF broadcasting
> >> occurs in at least 3 different directions from me. What antenna will
> >> work well for this kind of situation? I don't want to install a
> >> rotor.
> >>
> >> I live less than 10 miles from Mt. Miguel antennae, 12 miles from Mt.
> >> Soledad antennae, and about 20 miles from Channel 6's antenna in
> >> Mexico.
> >>
> >> I greatly appreciate your help.
> >
> >
> > After a mini ton of research on your location via both
> >
> > Garmin GPS maps (topo & street) and Antennaweb.org....
> >
> > I tracked your location down to ZIP 92113, Logan Heights,
> > St Anns Catholic Church area....
> >
> > Yes, there are 7 "UHF" Digital TV networks at the 3 locations....
> > The words All UHF is important...
> >
> > NW Chans 25, 55 at 12mi & 309 Deg
> > E Chans 18, 19, 30, 40 at 10 miles & 77 Deg
> > SE Chan 23 (Mexico FOX) at 14 mi & 147 Deg
> >
> > You prefer no rotor... And all station are 14 miles or closer.
> >
> > The Digital 'relative' Power levels of the 7 signals can be
> >
> > determined by a Samsung Set Top Box.. Only you have this info...
> >
> > 1) You need a UHF antenna for the 7 Digital signals...
> > I'm not here considering the more complex Analog VHF
> > channel setup....
> >
> > 2) Based upon the relative strength of each channel..
> > You might try using the Front & Back of the antenna....
> > For reception.. Like a Channel Master 3021 UHF
> > 4 bay bow tie...
> >
> > Aiming direction is NW to SE (Front to back or reverse)
> > This gets 25 & 55 head on AND bisects the 4 East channels
> > and Mexico channel, each off by 35 Deg....
> >
> > 3) If 1 Antenna does not cover 3 directions....
> >
> > Antenna 1 does cover both NW & SE.... then 2nd Antenna ($25 unit)
> > covers the 4 East channels....
> >
> > You'll need some sort of Combiner from Radio Shack to
> > merge the 2 Antenna signals....
> >
> > Now just how bad the Digital Multi Path is... is Important....
> >
> > With no Rotor, close range, all UHF, & 3 directions...
> > It's possible.


For San Diego DTV reception results.... from 'neighbors'...

Go to http://www.hdtvpub.com and enter your Zip Code...

After reading the hodgepodge of OTA set ups and results.....

With some Care, testing, & pre tabulated local data,

You may want to enter/update Your Local HDTV Signal

Strength Info...
 
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

Cool website. I read all the posts and as soon as I get my receiver
and antennae, I'll check back with them to post my info and try to
nail down a final reception strategy.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:05:32 -0500, Dennis Mayer <Polaris1@execpc.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Owlman wrote:
>>
>> Wow! You are good. My zip is actually 92119, but you've got the
>> basic area. The primary channels we need are those to the northwest
>> of us (about 12 miles) and southeast (about 9 miles)--though not in a
>> straight line. The one station (Fox) is pretty much south or maybe
>> southwest of us southwest of us by about 20 miles. It's probably the
>> least important of the channels for us to receive.
>>
>> I don't have power readings at this point, since I'm not getting my
>> receiver until Wednesday (just getting ready for it by doing some
>> research).
>>
>> I've thought about trying the Zenith Silver Sensor that I've read
>> about on this group and seeing how much of a hassle the manual
>> adjustment is. I also spotted on Radio Shack's website a
>> multi-directional antenna that actually attaches to our DISH satelitte
>> dish--not sure if that's a good thing or not.
>>
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F001%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2190
>>
>> I just checked out your recommendation for the Channel Master 3021 and
>> I think it would be doable, but it won't have a completely
>> unobstructed view of the broadcast antennae--it would likely be below
>> our roof level for the southern channels, but may have a fairly clear
>> view to the northwestern signals.
>>
>> If I can find a good local antenna supplier, hopefully, I can try out
>> a couple of options and see which works best.
>>
>> Any other thoughts or guidance? I certainly do appreciate your taking
>> the time to help me on this.
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:00:23 -0500, Dennis Mayer <Polaris1@execpc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Owlman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I live in the San Carlos area of San Diego. HDTV UHF broadcasting
>> >> occurs in at least 3 different directions from me. What antenna will
>> >> work well for this kind of situation? I don't want to install a
>> >> rotor.
>> >>
>> >> I live less than 10 miles from Mt. Miguel antennae, 12 miles from Mt.
>> >> Soledad antennae, and about 20 miles from Channel 6's antenna in
>> >> Mexico.
>> >>
>> >> I greatly appreciate your help.
>> >
>> >
>> > After a mini ton of research on your location via both
>> >
>> > Garmin GPS maps (topo & street) and Antennaweb.org....
>> >
>> > I tracked your location down to ZIP 92113, Logan Heights,
>> > St Anns Catholic Church area....
>> >
>> > Yes, there are 7 "UHF" Digital TV networks at the 3 locations....
>> > The words All UHF is important...
>> >
>> > NW Chans 25, 55 at 12mi & 309 Deg
>> > E Chans 18, 19, 30, 40 at 10 miles & 77 Deg
>> > SE Chan 23 (Mexico FOX) at 14 mi & 147 Deg
>> >
>> > You prefer no rotor... And all station are 14 miles or closer.
>> >
>> > The Digital 'relative' Power levels of the 7 signals can be
>> >
>> > determined by a Samsung Set Top Box.. Only you have this info...
>> >
>> > 1) You need a UHF antenna for the 7 Digital signals...
>> > I'm not here considering the more complex Analog VHF
>> > channel setup....
>> >
>> > 2) Based upon the relative strength of each channel..
>> > You might try using the Front & Back of the antenna....
>> > For reception.. Like a Channel Master 3021 UHF
>> > 4 bay bow tie...
>> >
>> > Aiming direction is NW to SE (Front to back or reverse)
>> > This gets 25 & 55 head on AND bisects the 4 East channels
>> > and Mexico channel, each off by 35 Deg....
>> >
>> > 3) If 1 Antenna does not cover 3 directions....
>> >
>> > Antenna 1 does cover both NW & SE.... then 2nd Antenna ($25 unit)
>> > covers the 4 East channels....
>> >
>> > You'll need some sort of Combiner from Radio Shack to
>> > merge the 2 Antenna signals....
>> >
>> > Now just how bad the Digital Multi Path is... is Important....
>> >
>> > With no Rotor, close range, all UHF, & 3 directions...
>> > It's possible.
>
>
> For San Diego DTV reception results.... from 'neighbors'...
>
> Go to http://www.hdtvpub.com and enter your Zip Code...
>
> After reading the hodgepodge of OTA set ups and results.....
>
> With some Care, testing, & pre tabulated local data,
>
> You may want to enter/update Your Local HDTV Signal
>
> Strength Info...
 
Archived from groups: alt.tv.tech.hdtv (More info?)

Based on what I see of the San Diego stations, your station of primary concern
may be KUSI(D=18, A=51) as they are sending only a 30kW signal for the moment.
The others are of much higher strength. I see all six of the others regularly
up here in 90049, but KUSI is very intermittent as DTV (but not as analog).