Anti-IE6 Petition Submitted to UK Government

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]romansky[/nom]so STFU and respect those who write your silly IE6 compat lines[/citation]

Keep whining, signing petitions and wearing anti-IE6 shirts if that's the best you can do. Maybe you can add a little Get Firefox button to your website if it'll make you feel better. Leave the web development business to professionals.

 

[romansky]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Keep whining, signing petitions and wearing anti-IE6 shirts if that's the best you can do. Maybe you can add a little Get Firefox button to your website if it'll make you feel better. Leave the web development business to professionals.[/citation]

keep telling your clients that, some of us know better then use table-tr-td web designer

 

[teamride]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Just have an extra CSS file for IE6 and some extra 8bit PNGs to preserve functionality. Is that hard?[/citation]

That's the thing! You shouldn't have to have extra CSS or lower quality PNG's files for one old browser that shouldn't even still be in use in the first place. Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]teamride[/nom]That's the thing! You shouldn't have to have extra CSS or lower quality PNG's files for one old browser that shouldn't even still be in use in the first place.[/citation]

But it is in use (by 20%) and that's the way it is. I'm sure you'd like if you could export straight from PSD to HTML but it doesn't work that way.


[citation]Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.[/citation]

If you're really bothered by Javascript "overhead" (funny considering the infinitesimal amount of processing it takes to run a browser check), try conditional comments for IE, you know that

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]teamride[/nom]Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.[/citation]

If you're really bothered by Javascript "overhead" (funny considering the infinitesimal amount of processing it takes to run a browser check), try conditional comments for IE, you know that

 

[killerclick]

(Tom's doesn't know how to escape tags) ...you know that !--[if lt IE 7] stuff you see on almost every page of almost every major site.

I honestly don't even think about this stuff anymore, I just know it. If something doesn't look right in IE6, I immediately know why and how to fix it. Same with writing valid XHTML 1.1, it's no extra effort for me, I just know that stuff because instead of whining I took the time to learn.

Would it be great if every browser rendered the page identically? Yes! But they don't... and even if you take IE6 out of the picture, you still have all kinds of mobile browsers and accessibility standards that need to be supported as well.

 

[darkknight22]

As with all tech sooner or later you have to upgrade. I just wish they would jump to the newest IE instead of the one that is the next oldest. I know it isn't as "tested" but if you do this you will be able to expand your browser compatibility lifespan by leaps and bounds.

 

[grieve]

CATFIGHT!

 

[grieve]

Chrome ftw...

I used to be IE/Firefox fanboy all the way... one day i downloaded and installed Chrome and haven't looked back. Now and again i HAVE to use IE but unless it is forced i never open it.

 

[matt87_50]

lol, I work in a games company, and they pretty much force you to use anything BUT ie 6!

 

[kato128]

You wouldn't use a horse and cart to go to work when you had a perfectly good car would you? Of course you wouldn't! And by that logic you wouldn't use IE6 over any current browser.

 

[extremepcs]

It took me all of 5 minutes to upgrade 1,200 computers from IE6 to IE8 (SMS, but they could also use WSUS). What's the problem? Updating their websites to be compatible?

 

[rags_20]

My XP mode uses IE6.

 

[Guest]

"it's" is not "its"... You think an editor for such a big site would know this...

 

[Ephebus]

Maybe if they hadn't made IE 8 the slow, bugged, bloated mess it is, people would upgrade. Forcing the user to integrate "search providers" to the browser? Showing for 2 seconds a message that says "Connecting" every time you open a browser window? Connecting to what??? They messed up the latest version of Windows Live Messenger the same way, which made me switch to aMSN (http/www.amsn-project.net/).

 

[ossie]

micro$uxx tried hard to grab marketplace with monopolistic tactics, and lock in everybody with their proprietary $hit. It seems that at least in corporate/government circles it had some success, but in the end it was just a shot in the own foot.
That's what you get if you blindly trust m$ and fall in it's exploder trap...

 

[Guest]

yes but in chrome google actually logs everthing you do and logs it more than your isp

 

[deck]

IE8 isn't much better. Microsoft still hasn’t fixed the Select / Option width problems. Unbelievable really. They had a ticket open against IE6 seven years ago for this problem! Still not fixed.

killerclick: I am in awe of your CSS skills. You truly are elite.
The point is no one should have to code specifically for an internet browser. If Microsoft would simply follow W3C no one would have to code quirks. You must love doing CSS work. Me, I'm a programmer. My time is not well spent putting quirks into my CSS. Not to mention the extensive list of Javascript bugs in IE6. I guess I'm a whiner by your definition. I just have no patients for poor programming on the part of one of the worlds largest software developers. It is inexcusable really.

 

[deck]

[citation][nom]extremepcs[/nom]It took me all of 5 minutes to upgrade 1,200 computers from IE6 to IE8 (SMS, but they could also use WSUS). What's the problem? Updating their websites to be compatible?[/citation]

The problem is not rolling out the update; it is fixing and regression testing all of the applications that rely on IE6. To run a full regression test on our application costs upwards $500,000. Our company has over 50 web applications that are all designed to run on IE6. When you start looking at the cost, you can understand why alot of companies are reluctant to make that move.

I suspect this is also why killerclick does not understand why people would be so frustrated with IE6 limitations. Its all good when your doing small web development, but when you start writing Enterprise application with an internet browser as your container, IE6 bugs can cost the company millions of dollars.

 

[someoneelse]

The hidden factor that will kill off IE6

While I admire killerclicks attitude towards flexability I think the death of IE6 ( especially within government departments) may come from the ditching of windows 2000 pro which cannot run IE7 or 8. As a business or orgnaisation W2K to XP had few benefits and vista/w7 requires faster ( ie new) machines. Cost probably put organisations off upgrading.
However according to wikipedia

"All Windows 2000 support including security updates and security-related hotfixes will be terminated on July 13, 2010"

thus organisations will get new machines with w7 and the ie6 share will drop fast, thats my guess - the petition is pointless just wait 6 months and see the change.