Duh, it's pretty obvious AT&T can't handle it- I didn't need Tom's Guide to tell me that- but they've had a few years since the iPhone came out and if they would have done their homework from the start and simply looked at how big and bandwidth heavy the App Store is they would have had enough brains to start the process of building new towers. It's 2011 not mid-2007 when the iPhone was released. I know it's hard to put up towers but they've had 4 years to do it and we should at least be seeing the service getting a bit better by now.
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I have to laugh at many of the comments here as to what AT&T should do as most of your ideas would bankrupt the company if implemented.
as to all the "greedy" comments, please...give it a rest
The number one goal of a company is to make money for their owners not to supply a service. The service just happens to be the way they make the money. Obviously those that take shortcuts by not treating their customers properly will not be around long.
They are attempting to correct the errors of their ways in the fastest means possible with the purchase of an existing company. Building and revamping their existing network will cost them about the same and take years longer to implement than buying a company(ever try to get a new tower approved with all the new regs and environmental nut cases trying to prevent it? ).
as to all the "greedy" comments, please...give it a rest
The number one goal of a company is to make money for their owners not to supply a service. The service just happens to be the way they make the money. Obviously those that take shortcuts by not treating their customers properly will not be around long.
They are attempting to correct the errors of their ways in the fastest means possible with the purchase of an existing company. Building and revamping their existing network will cost them about the same and take years longer to implement than buying a company(ever try to get a new tower approved with all the new regs and environmental nut cases trying to prevent it? ).
@dalethepcman
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]@ThisIsMe Speaking of being based in reality, you should really check back into planet earth sometime, unless you already drank too much of Jobs Kool-Aid to ever return to sanity. I suppose next your going to say Apple invented the tablet, and video calling too. Here are some simple facts for you.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andro [...] _system%29Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003. Android Inc. operated secretively... but many assumed that Google was planning to enter the mobile phone market.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_%28Apple%29The operating system was unveiled with the iPhone at the Macworld Conference & Expo on January 9, 2007[/citation]
the most amazing part of your "comment" was that you were following a quote from my comment that contained these words.
"...try and form your words carefully so that they are based on reality."
Then you go on to type out all that dribble quoted above. So, because you are one of those folks who cannot seem to read something for the words that are actually printed in front of your face, and you like to insert your own version of what you think you read (or maybe it's just that you like to put words in people's mouth's when you cannot find any actual fault in what they said aside from calling you out), I never once said Apple invented anything. I never even used the word invent or any other form of that word in that entire comment. Not sure why you would say I think Apple invented anything. I even went so far as to mention several other products which were available to purchase as an alternative to the iPhone at the time of it's release. However, I will admit that none of these options included anything based on the Android platform because at the time none existed. So there you have it. It's a fact. You cannot argue with it.
Now about the "based in reality" part, which I really thought was good advice. I was hoping someone would follow it before posting any links that in the end prove themselves wrong and ignorant about the topic they chose to argue. So here is your link about the Android OS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#Hardware_running_Android
Not sure whether you actually read the entire article or not. I am going to assume you did not because I doubt you would have posted it unless you knew it actually contained some facts that make your argument moot at best.I will quote a fact from that link here.
"The first commercially available phone to run the Android operating system was the HTC Dream, released on 22 October 2008."
Like NapoleonDK pointed out, you cannot go spouting dates for which something my or may not have been imagined and may have even been spoken of, or even they day the idea was first written down. Since we live in a physical world where we truly do not know when someone else first conceived of an idea, we can only based or dates and facts on the existence of material objects and/or services that are available for purchase and delivery to the hands of purchasers of said products. This is truly the only relevant way to discuss this market and the success of products within that market. So back to topic, according to your linked resource the first device was available for purchase over one year after the original iPhone was available. This would also make it several months after the iPhone 3G was available, which was even more successful than the first iPhone. Sales of Android based devices were very weak until the release of the HTC Droid (around October 2009) and it's successor the Droid Incredible (around April 2010). Even the numbers posted aroudn this time didn't even come close to iPhone sales. Not until "the next big thing" in Android products came out did the sales really begin to compare. This was the Droid by Motorola line of smart phones mainly consisting of the Droid, Droid X, Droid 2, and Droid Pro. All of which were released from October 2009 through Novemeber 2010. This of course all occurred well after the release of the iPhone 3GS (which is still the most popular iPhone) and some even after the release of the iPhone 4.
So to sum it all up. No I never said Apple invented anything. I only meant to state that what they did do was release a product that worked like other products, but were far more appealing to buyers. I thought I did that quite well. Maybe you can argue that you can do less with an iPhone, but since most people seem to agree it's still easier to learn how to operate it when compared to a lot of the competition, it will continue to remain successful.
(caution: the following contains opinions from me)
So maybe it's that fact that you can pick up several different Android phones and all of them have a slightly different way to navigate, even with products from the same manufacturer. Or perhaps it's that they are visually different enough to warrant some extra time getting used to it verses other Android devices. Maybe it's the fact that there are so many that look different and it's harder for people to choose which one is right for them when they can walk over to the iPhone and see the iPhone 4 (and iPhone 3GS if at an at&t store) and know it does most, if not all, the same things but it's a far easier decision to make. Maybe some people like the options available for the Android OS. However it seems more people like to just walk in and buy a phone without having to make a major life decision. Most people still just want to buy a phone and go home.
If a manufacturer truly wants to compete with Apple toe to toe, or even half way, they will need to change how they operate. If it were me, I wouldn't market my phone as and Android phone or a Windows Phone 7. I would:
1) Decide on a product line and make a "cool" name for it.
2) Keep the cool name for the next in the series instead of just coming out with another "cool" name for the next phone 3-4 months later.
3) I would make the phone good enough to last through a year of sales, and I will not make my customers feel stupid for purchasing my new product by releasing a better bug fixed version a few months later.
4) I would develop a UI for the OS of choice that makes sense and use it for all of the phones that I make in that line.
5) I would provide updates to the OS myself that lets people know that they are getting listened too buy implementing features that are wanted. This would also give my customers a "value added" feeling to their purchases.
6) I would release newer versions of this phone with some added features as long as they make sense and they stick within the price range of the previous products, because people don't like surprises when it some to their wallets. I would make them faster of course, but also making sure the newer updates to the OS worked with as many of the older products as well, yet allowed for the improvements for the new devices. This would help ensure compatible usability between all versions of the phone so when one owner talks to another owner they know what's going on.
7) I would develop a program that installed on my PC or Mac that allows customers the abilities to:
a) backup their phone
b) easily copy photos/videos to and from their phone (read if format is not right then it can be converted easily)
c) easily browse, purchase and sync apps available for purchase
d) sync playlists and music available on the computer (again read if format is not correct then it will be converted upon request)
e) buy and sync any ebooks that maybe be available (this is probably optional since many apps do this already)
f) of course sync contacts' info
g) and in the end the ability of the owner of the phone to be able to reinstall the original software and return the phone to it's "like new" condition at any point in time.
These things along with a few other obvious things would seem to be the obvious way to compete with Apple. However, since these do not seem to be important to other phone manufacturers, they lose.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]@ThisIsMe Speaking of being based in reality, you should really check back into planet earth sometime, unless you already drank too much of Jobs Kool-Aid to ever return to sanity. I suppose next your going to say Apple invented the tablet, and video calling too. Here are some simple facts for you.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andro [...] _system%29Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003. Android Inc. operated secretively... but many assumed that Google was planning to enter the mobile phone market.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_%28Apple%29The operating system was unveiled with the iPhone at the Macworld Conference & Expo on January 9, 2007[/citation]
the most amazing part of your "comment" was that you were following a quote from my comment that contained these words.
"...try and form your words carefully so that they are based on reality."
Then you go on to type out all that dribble quoted above. So, because you are one of those folks who cannot seem to read something for the words that are actually printed in front of your face, and you like to insert your own version of what you think you read (or maybe it's just that you like to put words in people's mouth's when you cannot find any actual fault in what they said aside from calling you out), I never once said Apple invented anything. I never even used the word invent or any other form of that word in that entire comment. Not sure why you would say I think Apple invented anything. I even went so far as to mention several other products which were available to purchase as an alternative to the iPhone at the time of it's release. However, I will admit that none of these options included anything based on the Android platform because at the time none existed. So there you have it. It's a fact. You cannot argue with it.
Now about the "based in reality" part, which I really thought was good advice. I was hoping someone would follow it before posting any links that in the end prove themselves wrong and ignorant about the topic they chose to argue. So here is your link about the Android OS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#Hardware_running_Android
Not sure whether you actually read the entire article or not. I am going to assume you did not because I doubt you would have posted it unless you knew it actually contained some facts that make your argument moot at best.I will quote a fact from that link here.
"The first commercially available phone to run the Android operating system was the HTC Dream, released on 22 October 2008."
Like NapoleonDK pointed out, you cannot go spouting dates for which something my or may not have been imagined and may have even been spoken of, or even they day the idea was first written down. Since we live in a physical world where we truly do not know when someone else first conceived of an idea, we can only based or dates and facts on the existence of material objects and/or services that are available for purchase and delivery to the hands of purchasers of said products. This is truly the only relevant way to discuss this market and the success of products within that market. So back to topic, according to your linked resource the first device was available for purchase over one year after the original iPhone was available. This would also make it several months after the iPhone 3G was available, which was even more successful than the first iPhone. Sales of Android based devices were very weak until the release of the HTC Droid (around October 2009) and it's successor the Droid Incredible (around April 2010). Even the numbers posted aroudn this time didn't even come close to iPhone sales. Not until "the next big thing" in Android products came out did the sales really begin to compare. This was the Droid by Motorola line of smart phones mainly consisting of the Droid, Droid X, Droid 2, and Droid Pro. All of which were released from October 2009 through Novemeber 2010. This of course all occurred well after the release of the iPhone 3GS (which is still the most popular iPhone) and some even after the release of the iPhone 4.
So to sum it all up. No I never said Apple invented anything. I only meant to state that what they did do was release a product that worked like other products, but were far more appealing to buyers. I thought I did that quite well. Maybe you can argue that you can do less with an iPhone, but since most people seem to agree it's still easier to learn how to operate it when compared to a lot of the competition, it will continue to remain successful.
(caution: the following contains opinions from me)
So maybe it's that fact that you can pick up several different Android phones and all of them have a slightly different way to navigate, even with products from the same manufacturer. Or perhaps it's that they are visually different enough to warrant some extra time getting used to it verses other Android devices. Maybe it's the fact that there are so many that look different and it's harder for people to choose which one is right for them when they can walk over to the iPhone and see the iPhone 4 (and iPhone 3GS if at an at&t store) and know it does most, if not all, the same things but it's a far easier decision to make. Maybe some people like the options available for the Android OS. However it seems more people like to just walk in and buy a phone without having to make a major life decision. Most people still just want to buy a phone and go home.
If a manufacturer truly wants to compete with Apple toe to toe, or even half way, they will need to change how they operate. If it were me, I wouldn't market my phone as and Android phone or a Windows Phone 7. I would:
1) Decide on a product line and make a "cool" name for it.
2) Keep the cool name for the next in the series instead of just coming out with another "cool" name for the next phone 3-4 months later.
3) I would make the phone good enough to last through a year of sales, and I will not make my customers feel stupid for purchasing my new product by releasing a better bug fixed version a few months later.
4) I would develop a UI for the OS of choice that makes sense and use it for all of the phones that I make in that line.
5) I would provide updates to the OS myself that lets people know that they are getting listened too buy implementing features that are wanted. This would also give my customers a "value added" feeling to their purchases.
6) I would release newer versions of this phone with some added features as long as they make sense and they stick within the price range of the previous products, because people don't like surprises when it some to their wallets. I would make them faster of course, but also making sure the newer updates to the OS worked with as many of the older products as well, yet allowed for the improvements for the new devices. This would help ensure compatible usability between all versions of the phone so when one owner talks to another owner they know what's going on.
7) I would develop a program that installed on my PC or Mac that allows customers the abilities to:
a) backup their phone
b) easily copy photos/videos to and from their phone (read if format is not right then it can be converted easily)
c) easily browse, purchase and sync apps available for purchase
d) sync playlists and music available on the computer (again read if format is not correct then it will be converted upon request)
e) buy and sync any ebooks that maybe be available (this is probably optional since many apps do this already)
f) of course sync contacts' info
g) and in the end the ability of the owner of the phone to be able to reinstall the original software and return the phone to it's "like new" condition at any point in time.
These things along with a few other obvious things would seem to be the obvious way to compete with Apple. However, since these do not seem to be important to other phone manufacturers, they lose.
Oh, and to get back to the original topic.
I guess no one realizes that Verizon started it's 3G everywhere campaign after it acquired Alltel and nearly all of it's assets. At&t only wants to be able to do the same with it's 4G roll out. Not really sure why some are having such a hard time with this concept. If it's good enough for one, it should be good enough for all. Right? Right? Stop being so one sided about stuff.
I guess no one realizes that Verizon started it's 3G everywhere campaign after it acquired Alltel and nearly all of it's assets. At&t only wants to be able to do the same with it's 4G roll out. Not really sure why some are having such a hard time with this concept. If it's good enough for one, it should be good enough for all. Right? Right? Stop being so one sided about stuff.
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