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http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
lot:

Finally a spot meter.
Full frame.
Large monitor.
0.3EV ISO steps.

A few "odd" things:
6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
understandable, should be bright.
Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
in flash in the 20D?)
3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
that important)

Sample images from the source:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/eos5d_sample-e.html

So? Which D60/20D/10D shooters are feeling temptation... when the
price inneviably falls under $3K ... $2.5K ... do you leap?

Bret I bet.

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"Alan Browne" <alan1browne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/
>
> While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
> lot:
>
> Finally a spot meter.
> Full frame.
> Large monitor.
> 0.3EV ISO steps.
>
> A few "odd" things:
> 6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
> 1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
> Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
> understandable, should be bright.
> Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
> in flash in the 20D?)
> 3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
> that important)

What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
most of which isn't professional sports photographers.

>
> Sample images from the source:
> http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/eos5d_sample-e.html
>
> So? Which D60/20D/10D shooters are feeling temptation... when the
> price inneviably falls under $3K ... $2.5K ... do you leap?
>
> Bret I bet.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
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> What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
> proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
> price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
> most of which isn't professional sports photographers.

I find that hard to believe, as memory is so cheap that compared to the
camera's price, it's near negligible. For someone like Canon, who purchases
in quanitity, a gigabyte of memory wouldn't cost them more than $50 - and
probably less. My guess would be that it's size-related, as in a camera
that small, every 1/2 square inch on the PCB is precious...

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> Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
> in flash in the 20D?)

nope, it's a separate device on the 20d.
 
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"Steve Wolfe" <unt@codon.com> wrote in message
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> I find that hard to believe, as

Slow

> memory is so cheap that compared to the camera's price, it's near
> negligible. For someone like Canon, who purchases in quanitity, a
> gigabyte of memory wouldn't cost them more than $50 - and probably less.
> My guess would be that it's size-related, as in a camera that small, every
> 1/2 square inch on the PCB is precious...

Fast memory might cost a whole lot more, or the bus required to support
a larger cache of memory might the limitation. In either case, it's not
commodity memory.

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Alan Browne wrote:
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/
>
> While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
> lot:
>
> Finally a spot meter.
> Full frame.
> Large monitor.
> 0.3EV ISO steps.
>
> A few "odd" things:
> 6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
> 1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
> Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
> understandable, should be bright.
> Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
> in flash in the 20D?)
> 3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
> that important)
>

Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash? Seems like an
*afforadable* FF dSLR (when the price drops) but has it been crippled
with 3fps rate and lack of AF assist? Will photo journalists be ok with
that low frame rate?

And where is the movie mode? ;-)

- Siddhartha
 
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Steve Franklin wrote:
> > And where is the movie mode? ;-)
> > - Siddhartha
>
>
>
> You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
> to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
> serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
>
> In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
>
> I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
> little movies and send them...

I don't have any puritanistic arguements against more consumer grade
features in dSLRs but I don't think that the current electronics can
handle 30fps from a full-frame or even a APS-C sized sensor. Maybe a
new breed of microprocessors like the cell technology from IBM will
make it possible.

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David Geesaman wrote:
> "Steve Franklin" <honkey@lips.com> wrote in message
> news:430c51bf$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> >
> >> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
> >> - Siddhartha
> >
> > You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
> > love to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any
> > less serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
> >
> > In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
> >
> > I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
> > little movies and send them...
>
> Tis true. Like leather in a truck, it's an unlikely thing to love.
>
> Anyway, I have a feeling that the mechanical shutter, combined with a
> sensor setup that maximizes data collection from the full frame at one time,
> makes a downsampled movie mode much harder to integrate.

Why not put another small CCD/CMOS sensor that moves in place between
the mirror and viewfinder's optical path when the movie mode is
switched on? Just wondering aloud, don't really know much about dSLR
construction.

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David Geesaman wrote:
> "Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124888133.985060.277570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Why not put another small CCD/CMOS sensor that moves in place between
> > the mirror and viewfinder's optical path when the movie mode is
> > switched on? Just wondering aloud, don't really know much about dSLR
> > construction.
>
> Because it would probably be much more cost effective to pocket a P&S
> camera instead. :eek:)
>
> Dave

Not sure about cost effectiveness but sure lets you sell a dSLR, P&S
and handycam to the same guy ;-)

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"Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why not put another small CCD/CMOS sensor that moves in place between
> the mirror and viewfinder's optical path when the movie mode is
> switched on? Just wondering aloud, don't really know much about dSLR
> construction.

Because it would probably be much more cost effective to pocket a P&S
camera instead. :eek:)

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george wrote:

> What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
> proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
> price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
> most of which isn't professional sports photographers.

No, what it proves is that the small extra cost for more high speed
buffer memory would result in decreased sales for much more expensive
Canon models.
 
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In article <430c51bf$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Steve Franklin
<honkey@lips.com> writes
>
>> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
>> - Siddhartha
>
>
>
>You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
>to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
>serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
>
>In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
>
>I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
>little movies and send them...
>
>
It should also help to solve my problems in getting precise focussing in
using my 10D for photomicrography. With a poor screen (for manual
focussing) and the inability to open the shutter to focus from the DV
output, it really isn't as useful as it ideally should be.

David
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"Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash?

YES! Finally you don't have to pay for something you'll never use.


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> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
> - Siddhartha



You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
little movies and send them...
 
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"Steve Franklin" <honkey@lips.com> wrote in message
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>
>> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
>> - Siddhartha
>
> You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
> love to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any
> less serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
>
> In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
>
> I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
> little movies and send them...

Tis true. Like leather in a truck, it's an unlikely thing to love.

Anyway, I have a feeling that the mechanical shutter, combined with a
sensor setup that maximizes data collection from the full frame at one time,
makes a downsampled movie mode much harder to integrate.

Dave
 
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"Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan Browne wrote:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/
>>
>> While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
>> lot:
>>
>> Finally a spot meter.
>> Full frame.
>> Large monitor.
>> 0.3EV ISO steps.
>>
>> A few "odd" things:
>> 6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
>> 1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
>> Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
>> understandable, should be bright.
>> Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
>> in flash in the 20D?)
>> 3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
>> that important)
>>
>
> Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash? Seems like an
> *afforadable* FF dSLR (when the price drops) but has it been crippled
> with 3fps rate and lack of AF assist? Will photo journalists be ok with
> that low frame rate?
>
> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
>
> - Siddhartha
>
Onboard flash may have affected the viewfinder coverage, and most of the
users won't miss it, we have shoe mount or off camera flashes, anyway.
Frame rate is similar to 1Ds mkII, so that may be a function of the sensor
size, not a "crippling." Canon probably feels it doesn't need AF assist,
if you're shooting in low light, you'll probably have either a fast lens, or
a flash mounted. Canon's flashes have their own AF assist lights, and
better ones than are on the cameras. That being said, the old A2 had a very
nice AF assist light, near IR, that worked very well. Canon hasn't produced
one as nice since.
And don't expect the price to drop much, or soon. Look at the price of the
1Ds mkII, not much change there, percentage wise, the 1D mkII has dropped,
what, 200 bucks? 5%? As has the 20D, a year after its intro.

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"David Littlewood" <david@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <430c51bf$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Steve Franklin
> <honkey@lips.com> writes
>>
>>> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
>>> - Siddhartha
>>
>>
>>
>>You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
>>love
>>to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
>>serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
>>
>>In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
>>
>>I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
>>little movies and send them...
>>
>>
> It should also help to solve my problems in getting precise focussing in
> using my 10D for photomicrography. With a poor screen (for manual
> focussing) and the inability to open the shutter to focus from the DV
> output, it really isn't as useful as it ideally should be.
>
> David
> --
> David Littlewood

The 5D is supposed to have an optional screen made for critical focusing...

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Skip M wrote:
> "Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124879044.342334.47320@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Alan Browne wrote:
> >> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/
> >>
> >> While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
> >> lot:
> >>
> >> Finally a spot meter.
> >> Full frame.
> >> Large monitor.
> >> 0.3EV ISO steps.
> >>
> >> A few "odd" things:
> >> 6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
> >> 1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
> >> Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
> >> understandable, should be bright.
> >> Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
> >> in flash in the 20D?)
> >> 3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
> >> that important)
> >>
> >
> > Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash? Seems like an
> > *afforadable* FF dSLR (when the price drops) but has it been crippled
> > with 3fps rate and lack of AF assist? Will photo journalists be ok with
> > that low frame rate?
> >
> > And where is the movie mode? ;-)
> >
> > - Siddhartha
> >
> Onboard flash may have affected the viewfinder coverage, and most of the
> users won't miss it, we have shoe mount or off camera flashes, anyway.
> Frame rate is similar to 1Ds mkII, so that may be a function of the sensor
> size, not a "crippling." Canon probably feels it doesn't need AF assist,
> if you're shooting in low light, you'll probably have either a fast lens, or
> a flash mounted. Canon's flashes have their own AF assist lights, and
> better ones than are on the cameras. That being said, the old A2 had a very
> nice AF assist light, near IR, that worked very well. Canon hasn't produced
> one as nice since.

After owning a dSLR for a year, I found my preference is to enjoy the
flexibility offered by a dSLR alongwith the superior low-noise sensor
but without carrying too much baggage around. So no onboard flash means
no flash for me as I am very less likely to carry an external flash
around.

Ofcourse, your usage and preferences may vary.

- Siddhartha
 
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Beach Bum wrote:
> "Siddhartha Jain" <reach.siddhartha@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash?
>
> YES! Finally you don't have to pay for something you'll never use.

I was wondering how they got the price so low. :)

-Mike
 
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>"David Littlewood" <david@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In article <430c51bf$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Steve Franklin
>> <honkey@lips.com> writes
>>>
>>>> And where is the movie mode? ;-)
>>>> - Siddhartha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
>>>love
>>>to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
>>>serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....
>>>
>>>In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr
>>>
>>>I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
>>>little movies and send them...
>>>
>>>
>> It should also help to solve my problems in getting precise focussing in
>> using my 10D for photomicrography. With a poor screen (for manual
>> focussing) and the inability to open the shutter to focus from the DV
>> output, it really isn't as useful as it ideally should be.
>>
>> David
>> --
>> David Littlewood
>
>The 5D is supposed to have an optional screen made for critical focusing...
>
Yes, I saw that. However, they mention (IIRC) a choice of 3, and I have
a nasty feeling they will be something with split image wedges and
microprisms. These are in my experience little better; what is required
for critical focus in the kind of applications I have in mind is the old
"I" screen, with a clear centre spot and cross hair. This is the only
one which is really satisfactory on my 1n.

Also, the advantage of focussing from the sensor is that it eliminates
any possible errors from misalignment between the sensor and the
focussing screen. The disadvantage may be lower resolution of the video
output.

At the moment, all too often, I have to fiddle around with focus
bracketing. The margin for error in photomicrography is as near zero as
makes no odds.

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