Direct2Drive Refusing to Sell Modern Warfare 2

[the_krasno]

[citation][nom]datawrecker[/nom]Question is can I opt out of the Steam install? If not, can I remove steam from the system and still have the game function? I have no issues with Valve and their Steam software. However there are points to be made here. There is nothing wrong with Steam, I just believe that is should be the consumers choice as to have it installed on their systems. Not that there will be a whole lot of PC versions sold.[/citation]

No, you can't opt out. You will require Steam to play the game. Yes, there should be the option to install the game separately.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with Steam.

[citation][nom]montezuma[/nom]You like Steam? I mean, do not get me wrong, I use Steam to purchase some games. My problem is the fact that Steam believes that it has the right to tell customers they cannot resale their games. That is wrong on so many fronts and the Autodesk case proved that the customer owns the software they pay for.It is this reason alone that I do not purchase more expensive titles through Steam. If Steam would accept the fact that we own what we(customers) pay for, then I would be open to purchase all of my games through them.[/citation]

To those that complaint that you can't resell the games you buy through Steam, you can sell your account instead. A little extreme, but there are advantages:

1-Since technically the games aren't "used", you can sell them for full retail price. No scratched disks, or torn up boxes and game manuals. As long as your VAC status is good (in case you want to sell valve made games, that are VAC secured).

2- Therefore, you win back all the money you expended. Even more if you bought packs or special discounts like weekend deals.

3- Then you can buy again any games that you didn't want to sell when you originally sold the account.

I've spent almost $400 purchasing games in Steam this year alone. Actually, make that 200. I saved a bunch with packages and deals. I don't regret it, Valve made an awesome job with this service.

 

[alvine]

Its okay I won't be buying it anyways :]

 

[spanspace]

Whatever the reason is. No one should buy this game. They screwed their fan base over and admitted they dont care.

 

[dannyaa]

Guess someone doesn't like the sale of their game bringing them directly into their largest competitor's store.... an excellent store. Of course they are worried.

It's an immature and misleading to call Steam a trojan horse, though. Certainly they imply it in the sense of the Steamworks service carrying a retail store inside of it, but they intentionally use the phrase to reflect poorly on Valve's service and software quality.

 

[sqhacker]

hmm ima have to look up activision games and d/l them on direct to drive if they have a coupon, thank you steam for being arseholes at least something good may come out of it

 

[danish_2828]

Steam is a virus that entices me to spend money and makes patching easy. Steam makes playing PC games easy.

Just a couple weeks ago I logged in to play a game and the "Steam News" news pops up and see I can purchase the FPS Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising for $10 off. Well, I'm not going to pass this up. I hit the "Purchase for myself" button and I own the game. I didn't even have to enter credit card information. It was already saved in my profile. Way to easy. The best part is I will never have to worry about patching the game to the latest version cause the Steam will always update my game to the latest version. And since I have Steam installed on all three of my computers it automatically updates the games on those games too and I can play on all of them too without ever worrying about activating software.

 

[ssalim]

Long live Steam!

 

[invlem]

This is completely understandable.

It would be like Microsoft selling windows, and when windows boots up you see a giant Mac ad staring back at you each time.

 

[gamerjames]

I couldn't care less about the lack of dedicated servers. That is pointless to me, I'd rather play with a much more broad amount of people than just the same people in the same server, I think the way the consoles work is just fine. As far as not being able to configure you're console in game, now that pisses me off. I like to customize my games so that they are and work the best for me. If I buy this game, it'll be for PS3, since more people will be playing it there. But either way, these people should still sell it. Damn babies.

And by the way, Quake Live has no dedicated server support atm and it is thriving. DEAL WITH IT IDIOTS.

(Many of you are using the no dedicated server support as a lame excuse to pirate the game)

 

[datawrecker]

[citation][nom]burfordg[/nom]@montezuma: as it stands, no one can resell PC games. Impulse won't, D2D 2 won't, GameStop won't, Best Buy won't, no one will. The only place you can resell PC games is on ebay or in local classifieds.Companies don't like selling games that people can rip and return, and that's a lot harder with console games. It's not about Valve being jerks, it's about them being good businessmen.[/citation]

It is actually just as easy to rip console games as it is to rip PC games. Torrents for console games are everywhere now. I have said it many times before, CoD:MW2 was available as a torrent for console before it was for PCs. Pirates have been migrating to consoles because it is easier to get away with playing them on the console now.

 

[ominous prime]

[citation][nom]burfordg[/nom]I doubt it's going to be a huge flop. It's still a CoD game, and... um, what exactly is there to complain about, other than the lack of dedicated servers? Oh yeah, the price point. Never mind that the thing's been hugely preordered for PC and all that.Valve isn't being shady; you need the storefront to work for practically any platform. I dunno about D2D, but Impulse has its storefront in the same program as the game launcher, and GFWL is nothing BUT a storefront from what I can tell.[/citation]

There have also been massive amounts of cancellations on pre-orders but we shall see. It's not just loss of dedicated server support, this is a checklist comparing MW and MW2 that was posted on another news article. Perhaps you should take a look.

http://undead.mygameclan.com/user/244066/gallery/432282/features.jpg

 

[bill gates is your daddy]

After all, Modern Warfare 2's release is slated to be the most pirated game ever in gaming history

There....I fixed it.

 

[SuckRaven]

Man, I miss the days when you got excited about a game release, went out, bought it, installed it and played it, whether it wa single player, multi-player LAN, or online. All this new BS comes from cross-platform advertising, DRM, and silly distribution methods that completely eliminate choice as far as the player is concerned. When game companies stop giving people shit they never askd for is the day I might pick up a new game. So in effect, I can put playing computer games behind me.

 

[mcreskiller]

I like steam cause it allows you to find smallers titles that you might not find elseware ex:killing floor no stores around here sell it and its a really cool game

 

[bill gates is your daddy]

[citation][nom]danish_2828[/nom]I hit the "Purchase for myself" button and I own the game.[/citation]

You don't own anything except for a license that they can revoke at any minute.

 

[datawrecker]

[citation][nom]gamerjames[/nom]I couldn't care less about the lack of dedicated servers. That is pointless to me, I'd rather play with a much more broad amount of people than just the same people in the same server, I think the way the consoles work is just fine. As far as not being able to configure you're console in game, now that pisses me off. I like to customize my games so that they are and work the best for me. If I buy this game, it'll be for PS3, since more people will be playing it there. But either way, these people should still sell it. Damn babies.And by the way, Quake Live has no dedicated server support atm and it is thriving. DEAL WITH IT IDIOTS.(Many of you are using the no dedicated server support as a lame excuse to pirate the game)[/citation]

LOL Quake Live is NOT thiving. Did you ever play Quake III? Quake Live has nowhere near the player count that Quake III had.

18 player cap is not a broad range of people. 64 players on one server is a broad range of people. And if you get tired of those player you could choose from dozens upon dozens of servers loaded with people. Leaving the decision in your hands.

 

[datawrecker]

[citation][nom]burfordg[/nom]I doubt it's going to be a huge flop. It's still a CoD game, and... um, what exactly is there to complain about, other than the lack of dedicated servers? Oh yeah, the price point. Never mind that the thing's been hugely preordered for PC and all that.Valve isn't being shady; you need the storefront to work for practically any platform. I dunno about D2D, but Impulse has its storefront in the same program as the game launcher, and GFWL is nothing BUT a storefront from what I can tell.[/citation]

Combined reports of up to 45% of PC pre-orders have been cancelled. Based on the numbers of one of the petitions for MW2 45% of those users already accounts for a $5,000,000 loss in sales.
Ouch.

 

[burfordg]

[citation][nom]datawrecker[/nom]It is actually just as easy to rip console games as it is to rip PC games. Torrents for console games are everywhere now. I have said it many times before, CoD:MW2 was available as a torrent for console before it was for PCs. Pirates have been migrating to consoles because it is easier to get away with playing them on the console now.[/citation]

Yes, but piracy is still a lot lower on consoles than it is on PCs, because you don't void your warranty when you pirate for PCs, and it's a lot harder to get caught. I think one of the big reasons people are complaining is simply due to the fact that by eliminating dedicated servers, it ruins chances for pirates to play the game illegally.

[citation][nom]ominous prime[/nom]There have also been massive amounts of cancellations on pre-orders but we shall see. It's not just loss of dedicated server support, this is a checklist comparing MW and MW2 that was posted on another news article. Perhaps you should take a look.

http://undead.mygameclan.com/user/ [...] atures.jpg[/citation]

I saw that on Kotaku earlier today, and I gotta ask: what is that about hosts having 0 ping in MW2? I do believe that an article posted here on Tom's specifically stated that the game would provide roughly the same ping for everyone.

 

[burfordg]

[citation][nom]SuckRaven[/nom]Man, I miss the days when you got excited about a game release, went out, bought it, installed it and played it, whether it wa single player, multi-player LAN, or online. All this new BS comes from cross-platform advertising, DRM, and silly distribution methods that completely eliminate choice as far as the player is concerned. When game companies stop giving people shit they never askd for is the day I might pick up a new game. So in effect, I can put playing computer games behind me.[/citation]

Sure. Avoid all blame. People bitching doesn't have anything to do with cross-platform play, and DRM is unfortunately necessary to stem the tide of piracy (not eliminate, but to hold off 0day piracy as best they can). Distribution methods... well, if you ask me, that's a greater amount of choice than anything. I don't have to go to GameStop if I don't want to to buy games, now. I can get 'em off Steam or other digital distribution methods if I want.

My only problem with MW2 is still the price point. I can't support a game that might encourage other companies to start charging more for games, when most of them aren't even worth the $50 they're sold at.

 

[fracture]

[citation][nom]koss64[/nom]I really dont see a problem with bundeling steam with the game .I mean they did it for Orange Box AND you needed it to run in order to play,no one was bitching then,hell thats what got me into Steam in the first place.citation]

LoL, dude you just proved how that tactic works. That's what got you into Steam and now you'll be using Steam instead because it was bundled.