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Bob Cain wrote:

> atlasrecrd wrote:
> > Yahoo, huh? What's your expertise on this issue?

> This ought to be good.

A guy posting anonymously who can't figure out that Dave Martin is Dave
Martin is going to present some cogent discussion? I read it as if
atlasrecord's kids can't afford to buy CD's. Wonder how that happens?

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Troy wrote:

> Not to be arguementative but I can scan a book and digitize it in minutes
> thanks to new technologies such as word recognition on a printed page and
> high speed auto scanners.

Understood, but the cost of good OCR and the high speed scanner are an
obstacle to that compared to putting a CD into an everyday computer. And
if the OCR is going to turn out bit for bit, won't it still need some
eyes-on time?

> The point I was trying to make is that with the advaces of technology the
> software and hardware apps are making it very easy to digitize media and put
> it online for free downloads

Agreed.

> This type of activity can't be policed (as of yet) as the internet is to
> vast a land.

Agreed. Anarchy only works among those who can control themselves.

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You know Hank everyone in this thread is talking about the downside of
illigal downloading.I am against these activities but for every one artist
who is not getting paid and complaining ,there are hundreds of artists who
are not getting paid by the download who love the file sharing because it is
the biggest worldwide free promotion they can get.They could never afford
this publicity.Many have been discovered this way also

I don't see big record companies and big artists winning this battle.I see
small record companies and small artists that start their own record company
winning out in the end.This could be a good thing....the kick that the music
industry needs with this new downloading format.

You can't fight the technology and the record companies can't embrace it
because they can't control it and that will be their demise.




hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Troy wrote:
>
> > Not to be arguementative but I can scan a book and digitize it in
minutes
> > thanks to new technologies such as word recognition on a printed page
and
> > high speed auto scanners.
>
> Understood, but the cost of good OCR and the high speed scanner are an
> obstacle to that compared to putting a CD into an everyday computer. And
> if the OCR is going to turn out bit for bit, won't it still need some
> eyes-on time?
>
> > The point I was trying to make is that with the advaces of technology
the
> > software and hardware apps are making it very easy to digitize media and
put
> > it online for free downloads
>
> Agreed.
>
> > This type of activity can't be policed (as of yet) as the internet is to
> > vast a land.
>
> Agreed. Anarchy only works among those who can control themselves.
>
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play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:30:52 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
> >Troy wrote:
> >
> >> Mike Rivers wrote...
> >
> >> > Trevor wrote
> >
> >> > > As far as books go, I can just go to the library and check them out
for
> >> > > free. It's great! Who "rents" books?
> >
> >> > But can you plug that book into your computer, make a copy of it, and
> >> > send it to someone else?
> >
> >> Actually.....Yes you can.You can digitize almost anything and share it
> >> accross the internet.There are no boundries anymore.
> >
> >Here is Mike's point: in order to do with a book what you can do with a
> >CD you must have the word processing document to copy. Otherwise, you
> >must sit at your keyboard and type your ass off for a long time
> >recreating that document before you can post it.
>
> I believe they have software that can do that now, it's called
> text-recognition. It can convert an image of the text into word
> processing application.
>
> Al


Yup a book can be digitizes in minutes with technology that has been around
for a few years now.

 

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message news:znr1109456344k@trad...

> I don't know. I've never recorded one. How many top selling hip-hop
> records are made in home studios? Surely if they could be, they would
> be.


This has been touched on in a couple of the rags lately as reasoning for some
of the current bigger studio closings.... seems as how that genre' is extremely
easy to transition from the studio to the home. I don't know, since I personally
transitioned it totally out of any studio work and my life about 8 years ago.

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:nf6221p9l8pa4q2kg1kj9ggqcnou8aee3u@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:04:43 -0500, "Roger W. Norman"
> <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> >But what you consider to be parasitic middleman is probably what you'd be
> >willing to pay for in order to get your property heard in multiple markets
> >with the attendent live shows to supplement your meager earnings while you
> >maintain your musical aloofness. And with tour support, you may get into
> >markets with bigger venues, tour sound that would be totally incumbent upon
> >you to provide, radio spots so people know you're in town, etc.
>
> Sure... I'm speaking more of the distribution and record stores.
>
> >There is no such thing as an internet national or international act unless
> >they had their start with a major. I'd like to believe that I can think out
> >of the box when necessary, but I have to wonder just how anyone could
> >possibly end up a national act with only internet exposure, although I did
> >come up with an alternative possibility about two years ago.
>
> Actually there have been acts that gained noteriety on the 'net first,
> then later going on to sell product in the conventional manner.
>
> Al

I swear I'm not being rude, but I'd like to know a couple of names. I am
seriously interested in the potential.

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8u0221d21llr680h7jopri55f1u0htmt9f@4ax.com...
> On 26 Feb 2005 16:40:54 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In article <1109437169.69b685e2bfca3128e8837dda86293257@teranews> declerct@REMOVETHISnewschool.edu writes:
> >
> >> I think most people should live a lot more frugally and modestly than
> >> they do. Does everybody in America have to drive an SUV and own a big
> >> house and have brand new appliances and a huge home theater? When did
> >> this become a right or something that is owed to every citizen?
> >
> >Not everybody does. I think we still have poverty in this country. But
> >some people like to take things like a nice house and car as rewards
> >for going to work every day on a salary every day for 20 years.
>
> What people fail to realize is that for this standard of living to
> exist, much of the rest of the world has to be relentlessly exploited.
> We are in wars in the middle east so that people can waste petroleum
> driving SUVs?
>
> Al

That's a political question with some serious basis. We'd better not go there.
However, there really is a great deal more economic stability and money in
the rest of the world (of course there are exceptions, just ask Sally Struthers)
than we are led to believe by the media and the textbooks.

 

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<0junk4me@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not gonna buy in if I can only use the material on the computer I
> used to download it. IF I can't get that tune onto my portable media
> to take along on my commute to and from work or while jogging or to
> listen to on a picnic maybe it isn't that important to me to have it.
> I can take along a radio. I know I would appreciate someone not
> providing my songs to the freeloaders, but if somebody decides he
> likes one of my tunes I'd like him to be able to put it on a cd with
> others he likes or put it into his media player to take jogging or to
> work.



Y'know, iTunes is striking me as a pretty decent solution to many of the
issues we're discussing.

- I can find a huge collection of material, old and new, in one place.

- The cost is reasonable and manageable even by kids.

- The interface is simple enough for grown-ups to use. <g>

- I can't spew the file all over the place, but I can play it on my
iPod, burn it to a few CDs, and share it with my wife's and kid's
computers (there *are* limits on distribution, but they're
*reasonable*).

Maybe the solution already exists?

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Studios will survive if they're good.



So, by your reasoning, Muscle Shoals was not good.

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Lorin David Schultz wrote:

> It would be like me paying my employer for the privilege of coming to work
> every day.

If you'd wanted to go that route you could've been a young muso looking
for a gig for your band in many major cities today!

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote
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> [...] for every one artist who is not getting paid and
> complaining ,there are hundreds of artists who are not
> getting paid by the download who love the file sharing
> because it is the biggest worldwide free promotion they
> can get. [...] Many have been discovered this way also


Name five. Seriously.

Assume an independent artist has the greatest album ever. How will I
ever know? You can offer 'em up on the web and p2p until you're blue,
but the odds are about nineteen gajillion to one against me ever
stumbling across it.

On the other hand, I listen to the radio in my car, occasionally stumble
across some entertainment news or a music video on TV, and see the Top
40 racks in the store next door. Your file-sharing artist completely
misses 99.9% of the market.

Seems to me an artist my have a pretty significant interest in
maintaining some of the existing model if they ever want to be heard.

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I believe they have software that can do that now, it's called
> text-recognition. It can convert an image of the text into word
> processing application.


Ark your taking abort test resignation softhare? It"z awecome.

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Yahoo, huh? What's your expertise on this issue?


Oooh boy.... this will either be interesting or ignored.

You see Atlas, the last time some ass asked Dave a question like this
without simply doing his homework first, we lost Dave for half a year,
and we've lost him before because of similar issues.

You see, some folks don't have the time to wipe other people's asses.
And you really aren't worth losing this man over because you're too lazy
to find out the readily available answers to that question on your own.

 

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I have watched many interviews with different up and coming artists who have
got a lot of their fan base from downloading.The rich artists are the ones
that kick a scream the loudest.

P2P is not all bad.It promotes the little guy but on the other hand it takes
from the pockets of the well to do.



Lorin David Schultz <Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote in message
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> "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote
> >
> > [...] for every one artist who is not getting paid and
> > complaining ,there are hundreds of artists who are not
> > getting paid by the download who love the file sharing
> > because it is the biggest worldwide free promotion they
> > can get. [...] Many have been discovered this way also
>
>
> Name five. Seriously.
>
> Assume an independent artist has the greatest album ever. How will I
> ever know? You can offer 'em up on the web and p2p until you're blue,
> but the odds are about nineteen gajillion to one against me ever
> stumbling across it.
>
> On the other hand, I listen to the radio in my car, occasionally stumble
> across some entertainment news or a music video on TV, and see the Top
> 40 racks in the store next door. Your file-sharing artist completely
> misses 99.9% of the market.
>
> Seems to me an artist my have a pretty significant interest in
> maintaining some of the existing model if they ever want to be heard.
>
> --
> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> - Lorin David Schultz
> in the control room
> making even bad news sound good
>
> (Remove spamblock to reply)
>
>

 

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Why must you and others always compare P2P to radio and TV???

Your thinking is the whole problem P2P can't be compared to other media
sources.It something that is on a level all on its own.

A lot of people use music downloading to discover new bands in areas of
music that they enjoy.Even the big record companies search the internet and
use P2P to find the next big sale.If you think they are not using the
technology then you are out to lunch.

Right off I can honestly say I can't name 5 artist who benifit from P2P as I
don't always remember names......but thats not to say they don't exist as
its in writing and on TV in interviews.Not everyone thinks P2P is a bad
thing.The bad thing is just the way its used.


Lorin David Schultz <Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote in message
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> "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote
> >
> > [...] for every one artist who is not getting paid and
> > complaining ,there are hundreds of artists who are not
> > getting paid by the download who love the file sharing
> > because it is the biggest worldwide free promotion they
> > can get. [...] Many have been discovered this way also
>
>
> Name five. Seriously.
>
> Assume an independent artist has the greatest album ever. How will I
> ever know? You can offer 'em up on the web and p2p until you're blue,
> but the odds are about nineteen gajillion to one against me ever
> stumbling across it.
>
> On the other hand, I listen to the radio in my car, occasionally stumble
> across some entertainment news or a music video on TV, and see the Top
> 40 racks in the store next door. Your file-sharing artist completely
> misses 99.9% of the market.
>
> Seems to me an artist my have a pretty significant interest in
> maintaining some of the existing model if they ever want to be heard.
>
> --
> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> - Lorin David Schultz
> in the control room
> making even bad news sound good
>
> (Remove spamblock to reply)
>
>

 

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"John" <ssconmag1@verizon.net> wrote in message...

> You find a wallet full of cash on the sidewalk.
> Also inside is the full contact info of the owner.
> What you do next defines what you are.


Wow... shades of "Blade Runner" right before Leon blew away the interviewer.

;-)

 

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:uqhUd.518251$Xk.277676@pd7tw3no...

> if you had the awnser to the problem you would be a rich man.The problem is
> that the internet is such a vast region that it can't be policed.No one can
> control what you download upload or share.

The good thing (or perhaps the bad thing due to privacy issues) is that we are
getting very near to having the technology to do just that. All we need is a data
base fast enough and capable enough to sort and file everything that's moves
across the lines. My impression is that they're getting *very* close right now.

 

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message...

> Yeah, and lots of people don't use blank CDs to copy audio either.
> But he still pays a tax on the blanks.

This tax ONLY applies to CDs labelled as "music" CDs, which were
basically for free-standing CD burners and copiers. This does not
apply to "data" CDs which can be used in any 'puter CDRW.

 

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thanks so much for interpreting my words in a way that allows you to
> outlet your aggression with stupid flames.



I don't have any "aggression" about the subject. How else am I supposed
to interpret what you wrote? You said studios will survive if they're
good, yet many highly respected and even revered studios are closing.
That obviously means being "good" is not enough anymore.

I think there are areas you may want to re-examine in your reasoning on
the subject, because at least one argument supporting your outlook
appears to be changing.

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"reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in message...

> I guess I was shifting gears a bit, I was talking about companies and not
> individuals. I just think all this stuff about how music is going to be free
> is not going to happen.


Unfortunately, as you can see, there are hordes of people who believe
that it's free *right now* and that's all there is to it.