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Bob Cain wrote:

> Fibre will be to every house. I
> can't give a time frame but it's not all that far away.

Maybe to every city house, and I grant you that's where the populations
are. But where I dwell even cabel will not come to my house, ar any
house in what passes in the woods for a neighborhood. DSL is now making
it 'round the valley floor, but again, it's not coming up the road to my
house.

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Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Its called progress.The need for more speed is there and you can get it if
> you need it at a higher price.As the needs rise to a point where it is
> fesable to the broadband companies to update to faster technologies things
> will get faster.Its called supply and demand.It just takes one company to
> make it affordable and all the others will have to follow suit or eventually
> die out.....this is what happens in the world of technology.Only the strong
> survive


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Richard Heinberg
New Society Publishers
ISBN 0-86571-482-7

The future is not what it used to be. No amount of money can buy into
what cannot exist. Nothing we can invent will obviate the laws of
thermodynamics. Demand is irrelevant in the absence of supply.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:52:30 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Bob Cain wrote:
>
>> Fibre will be to every house. I
>> can't give a time frame but it's not all that far away.
>
>Maybe to every city house, and I grant you that's where the populations
>are. But where I dwell even cabel will not come to my house, ar any
>house in what passes in the woods for a neighborhood. DSL is now making
>it 'round the valley floor, but again, it's not coming up the road to my
>house.

But living as far out as you do, are a tiny minority of consumers.
Maybe Satellite service someday?

Al

 

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> "reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in message...
>
> > I guess I was shifting gears a bit, I was talking about companies and
not
> > individuals. I just think all this stuff about how music is going to be
free
> > is not going to happen.
>
>
> Unfortunately, as you can see, there are hordes of people who believe
> that it's free *right now* and that's all there is to it.
>

Yeah, but it's all fostered by PC's and networks the way they are now. I
seriously doubt consumer PC's will be nearly as open in the future.

jb

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:27:40 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
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>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:nf6221p9l8pa4q2kg1kj9ggqcnou8aee3u@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:04:43 -0500, "Roger W. Norman"
>> <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote:
>>
>> >But what you consider to be parasitic middleman is probably what you'd be
>> >willing to pay for in order to get your property heard in multiple markets
>> >with the attendent live shows to supplement your meager earnings while you
>> >maintain your musical aloofness. And with tour support, you may get into
>> >markets with bigger venues, tour sound that would be totally incumbent upon
>> >you to provide, radio spots so people know you're in town, etc.
>>
>> Sure... I'm speaking more of the distribution and record stores.
>>
>> >There is no such thing as an internet national or international act unless
>> >they had their start with a major. I'd like to believe that I can think out
>> >of the box when necessary, but I have to wonder just how anyone could
>> >possibly end up a national act with only internet exposure, although I did
>> >come up with an alternative possibility about two years ago.
>>
>> Actually there have been acts that gained noteriety on the 'net first,
>> then later going on to sell product in the conventional manner.
>>
>> Al
>
>I swear I'm not being rude, but I'd like to know a couple of names. I am
>seriously interested in the potential.

I tried to find this info, as I really can't remember all the names...
I don't really follow current pop. I recall one interview with a hip
hop guy who said he had mixed feelings about file sharing, as he
didn't like losing royalties but at the same time it was free
downloads that broke his first single out.

Al

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:32:25 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
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>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8u0221d21llr680h7jopri55f1u0htmt9f@4ax.com...
>> On 26 Feb 2005 16:40:54 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >In article <1109437169.69b685e2bfca3128e8837dda86293257@teranews> declerct@REMOVETHISnewschool.edu writes:
>> >
>> >> I think most people should live a lot more frugally and modestly than
>> >> they do. Does everybody in America have to drive an SUV and own a big
>> >> house and have brand new appliances and a huge home theater? When did
>> >> this become a right or something that is owed to every citizen?
>> >
>> >Not everybody does. I think we still have poverty in this country. But
>> >some people like to take things like a nice house and car as rewards
>> >for going to work every day on a salary every day for 20 years.
>>
>> What people fail to realize is that for this standard of living to
>> exist, much of the rest of the world has to be relentlessly exploited.
>> We are in wars in the middle east so that people can waste petroleum
>> driving SUVs?
>>
>> Al
>
>That's a political question with some serious basis. We'd better not go there.
>However, there really is a great deal more economic stability and money in
>the rest of the world (of course there are exceptions, just ask Sally Struthers)
>than we are led to believe by the media and the textbooks.

The problem is the money is held by a tiny minority... a situation
that guarantees perpetual unrest.

Al

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:49:39 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
<Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote:

>"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Studios will survive if they're good.
>
>
>
>So, by your reasoning, Muscle Shoals was not good.

What was really good about Muscle Shoals was primarily the original
staff... the house band... but they've been long gone from there.

Al

 

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Troy wrote:

> By the way.......if you look into it I bet you can get a faster connection
> through your ISP for a little more per month.ISPs offer many different
> packages depending on your needs,I know my ISP does.

No, I cannot. Yes, I have looked into it. Granted, I live in the
boonies. But I live.

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Troy wrote:

> If people of the world used your way of thinking we would still be using
> horse and buggy because it's good enough why improve on it??

We will be using them again, if we can afford them. Horses are
relatively expensive in terms of their feed requirements. So we'll
probably have to share, instead of having two horses in every garage.

> Have an infection in your leg???......no problem let me get the rusty
> manual bone saw out and fix you up good as new.

This has what to do with actually addressing Lorin's genuine request for
something other than over-hyped futuristic platitudes?

> You are very closed minded.I don't have to proove anything to you as
> technology through out history has done this for me.

History only goes so far, and it doesn't go into the future in any _a
priori_ manner.

_The Party's Over_
Richard Heinberg
New Society Publishers
ISBN 0-86571-482-7


Go there and get back to me. There are numbers in the book. See what
adds up and what does not add up.

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Troy wrote:

> Who ever though as many families would own personal computers????.....In the
> 50s and 60s computer pioneers said it would never happen because they are to
> big and to expensive.

Whoever thought that after reaching a world population of 6.5 billion
humans we would face a reality that will reduce us to a third of that,
max?

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:42 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Troy wrote:
>
>> Who ever though as many families would own personal computers????.....In the
>> 50s and 60s computer pioneers said it would never happen because they are to
>> big and to expensive.
>
>Whoever thought that after reaching a world population of 6.5 billion
>humans we would face a reality that will reduce us to a third of that,
>max?

I'm not surprised... if it wasn't running out of oil, it would be
disease, or catastrophic war.

Al

 

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Troy wrote:

> Right off I can honestly say I can't name 5 artist who benifit from P2P as I
> don't always remember names...

Troy,

Read what you just wrote and think about what you have said: that nobody
you think you might have heard of was famous enough for you to remember
their name...

So while some folks can certainly become famous via the Internet (Paris
Hilton?), apparently the musical artists you thought had become famous
aren't quite as famous as you once thought you'd remember them to be. Is
there a wrinkle in that irony board?

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hank alrich wrote:

> Whoever thought that after reaching a world population of 6.5 billion
> humans we would face a reality that will reduce us to a third of that,
> max?

That book shook you up, eh? Me too. Sorta makes this whole
discussion moot, actually.


Bob
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simpler."

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David Morgan wrote:

> SOME people listen to hip-hop 24/7.
> Others tend to have a desire to puke when they hear the kicker boxes
> thumping 4 lanes over and ten car lengths behind on a crowded freeway.

Which outrightly disproves the "brown note" theory.

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In spite of you guys ridiculing Troy, there are indeed artists who
have become known thru the internet first. Instead of mocking him,
maybe you guys should go look it up and see if you can prove him
wrong.

Al

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:43 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Troy wrote:
>
>> Right off I can honestly say I can't name 5 artist who benifit from P2P as I
>> don't always remember names...
>
>Troy,
>
>Read what you just wrote and think about what you have said: that nobody
>you think you might have heard of was famous enough for you to remember
>their name...
>
>So while some folks can certainly become famous via the Internet (Paris
>Hilton?), apparently the musical artists you thought had become famous
>aren't quite as famous as you once thought you'd remember them to be. Is
>there a wrinkle in that irony board?

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:24:04 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
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>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:5bc421103mh637vrblr66cmn2l7hvoq7be@4ax.com...
>> On 27 Feb 2005 09:48:09 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >In article <0sbUd.8117$Ba3.3123@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>> >
>> >> Cool - then how can we get people to learn that stealing is theft?
>> >
>> >Duct-tape ear buds to their head, put in a feeding tube, and make them
>> >listen to hip-hop for a week.
>>
>> We all know that doesn't work... people already listen to hip hop
>> 24/7.
>
>Excuse me again there, Al..... SOME people listen to hip-hop 24/7.
>Others tend to have a desire to puke when they hear the kicker boxes
>thumping 4 lanes over and ten car lengths behind on a crowded freeway.
>
>;-)
>

Well I don't listen to a lot of hip hop, but I don't have a violent
reaction to it. I like some of the beats a lot, especially older
stuff made from samples mixed with drum machines, some of it is very
atmospheric. I think a lot of the attitudes in this group are just
plain old-fart syndrome. It's exactly the way older folks talked
about rock n roll in the 1950s.

Al

 

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It will become available sooner or later



hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Troy wrote:
>
> > By the way.......if you look into it I bet you can get a faster
connection
> > through your ISP for a little more per month.ISPs offer many different
> > packages depending on your needs,I know my ISP does.
>
> No, I cannot. Yes, I have looked into it. Granted, I live in the
> boonies. But I live.
>
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Hank.....I don't follow mainstream music to the point I can tell who they
are and I don't care to be a vast book of music artist knowledge.I know when
I hear a song if I like it or not,I really coulden't care less who it is.

It seems to me that you guys are all afaid of technology.This is the
direction the world is going in ready or not.

I don't want to see artist not making money,I don't want to see people lose
their jobs but the fact is that it is happening and the music industry can't
control it.

I don't steal music online and I don't condone it.People in the music
industry ,be it the artist ,the record companies,the studios ect are going
to continue to lose until the internet can be policed and I don't see that
anytime soon.

You need to add services to your studios to make up for loses caused by all
this downloading.In business you needto be creative and always thinking.





hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Troy wrote:
>
> > Right off I can honestly say I can't name 5 artist who benifit from P2P
as I
> > don't always remember names...
>
> Troy,
>
> Read what you just wrote and think about what you have said: that nobody
> you think you might have heard of was famous enough for you to remember
> their name...
>
> So while some folks can certainly become famous via the Internet (Paris
> Hilton?), apparently the musical artists you thought had become famous
> aren't quite as famous as you once thought you'd remember them to be. Is
> there a wrinkle in that irony board?
>
> --
> ha

 

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Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>You need to add services to your studios to make up for loses caused by all
>this downloading.In business you needto be creative and always thinking.

Our customers are the people who are taking the losses. But if they don't
make money, we don't make money.

This means we would need to add services to attract some other customer base
entirely. Nobody, nobody wants that. Because we've seen the alternatives
and computer repair is a lot more fun.
--scott

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On 28 Feb 2005 10:22:23 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

>
>In article <LJuUd.522149$Xk.106920@pd7tw3no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:
>
>> Not to be arguementative but I can scan a book and digitize it in minutes
>> thanks to new technologies such as word recognition on a printed page and
>> high speed auto scanners.
>
>Perhaps a small booklet, but how about a 500 page hard-bound book? I
>don't know of a scanner that turns pages, so you'd have to cut the
>book apart, stack up the pages, and let 'er rip. What you do next
>depends on how much pride you have in your work. I haven't seen a
>scanner/text recognition program yet that doesn't make a few mistakes.
>You can run it through a spell checker and find some, but it takes a
>good visual proofreading to find them all.

Yeah but it only has to be done once. After that, it's digital.

Al