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On 28 Feb 2005 10:22:24 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
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>In article <1109561752.371822.299940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> atlasrecrd@yahoo.com writes:
>
>> I posted that the reason this all came about was record company greed.
>
>Some people think that anyone making a profit is greedy. The reason
>wine prices in restaurants is greed. Download that!

In fact the greed of record companies is historic and well known. If
you don't have an army of lawyers they will screw you in the ass w/out
lubrication. It's been that way since the start of the recording
industry.

Al

 

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Hev wrote:

> ;0) Damn. Threatened by the Rivers! We should get a beer sometime.

He's good for one or two beers, then he'll want to switch to whiskey.
<g>

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> What wireless broadband WILL provide is much better connectivity in remote
> areas and to mobile folks.

And if I get broadband it will be because Kurt A helps me figure out how
to put a dish repeater in a fir tree on the ridge between home and town
and hit a dish mounted on Lanis natural foods store in greater
metropolitan downtown Greenville, where we could tap DSL. This, in all,
is not a guaranteed thing. <g>

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hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> What wireless broadband WILL provide is much better connectivity in remote
>> areas and to mobile folks.
>
>And if I get broadband it will be because Kurt A helps me figure out how
>to put a dish repeater in a fir tree on the ridge between home and town
>and hit a dish mounted on Lanis natural foods store in greater
>metropolitan downtown Greenville, where we could tap DSL. This, in all,
>is not a guaranteed thing. <g>

Around here, a lot of people across the water from me in Gloucester could
not get landline phones for many years, because GTE didn't have enough
pairs available. They were quoting several year waits for telephone lines
and were dropping some people on party lines.

So what many of these people were doing was to get cellular bag phones
for their houses, which they ran up to a small yagi on the roof so
they could hit the cell towers on this side of the river. It was cheaper
and much faster than getting landline service installed over there
and a lot of folks over there are still doing this even now that Bell
Atlantic is making serious efforts to update the old GTE outside plant.

I suspect that in the next few years you're going to be finding it possible
for you to do something similar with the broadband wireless services.
Might take a decade at most, I'll bet, and it'll be cheaper than a dedicated
microwave link since you'll only need to provide the hardware on one end.
I know a number of the telephone cooperatives in western VA are looking into
this because of the difficulty of running new cable up in the mountains. The
problem is that radio propagation out there is also pretty unpredictable.
--scott
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:42:37 GMT, "Dave Martin" <dmainc@earthlink.net>
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>Bullshit. They can buy $100 tennis shoes or team jersey's, but not a $15
>record?

Not the kids I know.

Here's a newsflash for you - the Avril Lavigne record sold plenty
>well. How'd that happen if they 'don't have that kinda change lying around'?

Because she appealed to the perfect demographic of middle and
upper-middle class kids?

>According to every report I've seen, the average American teenager today has
>far more spending money than at any point in history.

I guess it depends what you mean by average? There are a lot of kids
out there who don't have money.

Al

 

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Hold on there Mike.......Read my posts.....I don't steal music ,I am against
it.But I am all for new technology and I hope this can be resolved in the
future with new technology.





Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> In article <MkzUd.523795$8l.145763@pd7tw1no> alternate-root@shaw.ca
writes:
>
> > Right off I can honestly say I can't name 5 artist who benifit from P2P
as I
> > don't always remember names......
>
> Do you have a collection of downloaded music? Can you look some up? Or
> don't you care enough about the artist to even record his name so that
> you can tell someone else to keep an ear out for his music?
>
> Naw, it's probably easier just to send him a music file that you think
> is cool and leave it anonymous because you don't remember who the
> artist is. What's wrong with this picture?
>
>
>
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> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
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> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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If you are unwilling to grow your business with the times then you may find
yourself out of work one day.I hope not but it is the reality in a changing
world.




Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >You need to add services to your studios to make up for loses caused by
all
> >this downloading.In business you needto be creative and always thinking.
>
> Our customers are the people who are taking the losses. But if they don't
> make money, we don't make money.
>
> This means we would need to add services to attract some other customer
base
> entirely. Nobody, nobody wants that. Because we've seen the alternatives
> and computer repair is a lot more fun.
> --scott
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Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
>If you are unwilling to grow your business with the times then you may find
>yourself out of work one day.I hope not but it is the reality in a changing
>world.

Making karaoke tapes is NOT "growing one's business." It is a desperate
attempt for people to keep in business.
--scott


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play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> writes:
>But kids mostly don't want to hear that sound anymore anyway. They
>like acts like Moby, who just uses midi and sampling to cut and paste
>stuff together. Same thing with most R & B and Rap music.

I played a concert last week where we had several rappers "guest" over
some live (no samples) grooves. They came away delighted at how cool
it was working with live musicians rather than their normal beat boxes,
because the band was FEELING their intensity and punching things
appropriately. These were pretty you (20-something) rappers, and we were
mostly olde (40-50 something) players. It might just be a one-night
fluke, but they REALLY enjoyed working with a live band.

OTOH, I worked gig several yrs ago where the opening act was an Elvis
impersonator. For the finale, several players from ea. band got
togerh and jammed some R&R. Someone said "Let's get the Elvis
guy up here". We did, and he did OK, but he was REALLY uncomfortable
trying to sing with live music --- even though we did a respectable
winging the arrangements.

 

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More often and likely-- an artist performs around town, develops a
following, excites some reviews, some local media coverage, generates a
buzz, releases a CD, tours regionally, creates a website, sells directly
or through local outlets. Ani DiFranco, anyone.

what's remarkable is that we have come to assume that media manipulation
by vertically integrated conglomerates should be the norm.

Lorin David Schultz wrote:

> My point was that most people get their exposure to new artists through
> more conventional media. The chances of being "discovered" via p2p are
> so infinitismally small as to make the concept little more than an
> interesting social study rather than an economic revolution.
>
>

 

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Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >If you are unwilling to grow your business with the times then you may
find
> >yourself out of work one day.I hope not but it is the reality in a
changing
> >world.
>
> Making karaoke tapes is NOT "growing one's business." It is a desperate
> attempt for people to keep in business.
> --scott


Who said anything about Karaoke???......Karaoke is big business in some
places.What is so wrong with supplying it if it keeps your business afloat
in slow times?.


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So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
That might pump up sales!

"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> writes:
>Back in the late 60's and early 70's, when FM was just getting hot in genres
>other than classical, DJs would prompt the audiences that they were about to
>play entire album sides so that the audience could tape the program. It was
>quite the little 'movement'.

>Sure, it was slightly controversial, but recordings of a broadcast would
>rarely sound as good as the vinyl, and they usually didn't play the flip side
>of the LP... so people still **bought the product**. The radio station paid
>the artist for the play time, more people heard more of their product, so all
>was well.

>Even at that, a tax was levied on the purchase of blank cassettes and
>recording tapes sold to the general public, that of which some eventually
>made it back to the publishers and creators of music... just in case that
>recording might be the listener's only contribution to the creative process.


>Here we very nearly have the technology to disseminate virtually identical
>clones of the original for the first time ever. (Or at least for about the past
>17 years, and on the 'net' for the past 9 or so - and for the past 5 it's been
>getting quite refined). That makes the whole dilemma take on a new form
>that the companies and the law haven't caught up with yet. In my later
>statement, it would appear that we agree.... someday, you *will* have to
>pay the piper.

 

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georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu> wrote:
>So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
>records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
>That might pump up sales!

I'm working on this, but I'm having real trouble getting decent cover
work done. I was having Rapidocolor do the stuff but they have pretty much
raised their rates through the roof for that sort of work because they
no longer have a standard folding machine set up for the job and they all
become special setups. Most of the guys doing vinyl today just want cut-out
white sleeves which means few of the pressing pants are set up to do the
folding and collating in-house any more.

Vinyl really does seem to jump out on the rack. The problem isn't getting
it to sell, the problem is getting it onto the rack in the first place.
--scott

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In article <cvviif$27qc$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu>,
georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu> wrote:

> So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
> records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
> That might pump up sales!
>

When CDs first came out, I really lamentedthe end of the album cover. But after
years of producing CD booklets, I think we still have a nice artwork medium to
work with. We've found other ways of "separating" things, even developed
things that no longer need separation.

-Jay
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"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> writes:
>Well, if you were there, sometimes the performances were good, sometimes
>they weren't. Yous pays yous dollars and yous takes yous chances. Anybody
>ever been waiting for 2 hours for Sly Stone only to be told the show was
>off?

Anybody? I thought EVERBODY had been there!

 

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On 28 Feb 2005 17:14:05 GMT, georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu>
wrote:

>"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> writes:
>>Well, if you were there, sometimes the performances were good, sometimes
>>they weren't. Yous pays yous dollars and yous takes yous chances. Anybody
>>ever been waiting for 2 hours for Sly Stone only to be told the show was
>>off?
>
>Anybody? I thought EVERBODY had been there!

Yep... it's too bad too because the guy was a true genius, IMO much
more so than Stevie Wonder, who often gets that label.

Al

 

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Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> writes:

>When CDs first came out, I really lamentedthe end of the album cover. But after
>years of producing CD booklets, I think we still have a nice artwork medium to
>work with. We've found other ways of "separating" things, even developed
>things that no longer need separation.

Agreed on both counts. But in my old age, I just can't read the PRINT on
a CD booklet anymore.

 

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In article <cvvk58$2cmh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu>,
georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu> wrote:

> Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> writes:
>
> >When CDs first came out, I really lamentedthe end of the album cover. But
> >after
> >years of producing CD booklets, I think we still have a nice artwork medium
> >to
> >work with. We've found other ways of "separating" things, even developed
> >things that no longer need separation.
>
> Agreed on both counts. But in my old age, I just can't read the PRINT on
> a CD booklet anymore.
>

I'm just about to that point myself. 7 pt. font is challenging, but I had to
get out the magnifying glass to read the chipset in the MOTU 828mkII recently.
Man, those SMT chips are TINY! (AKM AK4528 converters if anyone is interested...)

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In article <C_GUd.527821$6l.460210@pd7tw2no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:

> Hank.....I don't follow mainstream music to the point I can tell who they
> are and I don't care to be a vast book of music artist knowledge.I know when
> I hear a song if I like it or not,I really coulden't care less who it is.

That does make it a little difficult to buy a copy of the song.

Oh, never mind.


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In article <_mHUd.527907$6l.66824@pd7tw2no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:

> Hold on there Mike.......Read my posts.....I don't steal music ,I am against
> it.But I am all for new technology and I hope this can be resolved in the
> future with new technology.

So are you in any way involved with music, as a player, writer,
performer, consumer? Or are you just into the technology?

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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
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and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo