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On 2/28/05 2:37 PM, in article 9sOdnbMRGZvJ7r7fRVn-sQ@golden.net, "Bill Van
Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:

> The music industry was not very astute. If they had seen coming what
> many of us saw coming-- the widespread adoption of the internet-- they
> might have realized that making music available for download at a very
> reasonable cost and in a format they had some control over would have
> been fantastically lucrative. Now, (like the NHL owners, who come to
> mind), they demand that we pay for their stupidity and lack of foresight
> and greed. They deserve nothing.

"... If they had seen coming..." ??????

Ok..
Let's Do This
(all you folkses are SO damnably pompous about the whole issue yet seem to
have no idea what you;re saying so...)
Let's do This

Know that the following are deceptively simple questions.
To mean anything, the answers must include ramifications from a very basic
understanding of what constitutes 'broadcasting' vs 'sales distribution' and
how that affects the deals made Then vs Now for getting artists paid.

Answer Me These:

A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download Distribution?

B) How Long Will This Take? Why?

C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?


Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you are
so giddy about actually is.

You have as much time as you need.

Start Now.

 

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Not sure what you think is so difficult about these points. Like any
industry, the music companies were managed by people who acquired their
skills and perceptions in the 60's, as they replaced people who thought
Nelson Riddle and his Orchestra should set any 14-year-old's heart afire.

All the music industry had to do was hire Shawn Fanning.

What's involved? What they have finally done through iTunes. How long
will it take? Depends on what you define "it" as. The technological
job of converting music to digital files, or reversing a 50-year-old
mind-set.

When did they start? About three days after the horses left the barn.

The music industry is fighting to keep those jobs of manning the
caboose, stoking the boilers, hoisting the sails, oiling the windmills,
and skimming money from the process at every stage. It's trying to
preserve inefficiencies.

How will you find good music in the new age? Geez-- do you honestly
think we needed Dick Clark to know what "good" music was, especially
when he had a stake in some of the bands he was promoting? Read your
local paper, listen to your local college radio station, go out and
listen before someone tells you who is supposed to be really good, and
might or might not actually be special.

Anybody notice that when the NHL went on strike, and those incredibly
amazing athletes went over to Europe to earn some spare change--- a lot
of them couldn't crack the line-ups of those club teams? What gives?
Could it be that the media has tried to convince us of something that
isn't true?



John wrote:
>
> Answer Me These:
>
> A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download Distribution?
>
> B) How Long Will This Take? Why?
>
> C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?
>
>
> Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you are
> so giddy about actually is.
>
> You have as much time as you need.
>
> Start Now.
>

 

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John wrote:
> On 2/28/05 2:37 PM, in article 9sOdnbMRGZvJ7r7fRVn-sQ@golden.net, "Bill Van
> Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>
>
>>The music industry was not very astute. If they had seen coming what
>>many of us saw coming-- the widespread adoption of the internet-- they
>>might have realized that making music available for download at a very
>>reasonable cost and in a format they had some control over would have
>>been fantastically lucrative. Now, (like the NHL owners, who come to
>>mind), they demand that we pay for their stupidity and lack of foresight
>>and greed. They deserve nothing.
>
>
> "... If they had seen coming..." ??????
>
> Ok..
> Let's Do This
> (all you folkses are SO damnably pompous about the whole issue yet seem to
> have no idea what you;re saying so...)
> Let's do This
>
> Know that the following are deceptively simple questions.
> To mean anything, the answers must include ramifications from a very basic
> understanding of what constitutes 'broadcasting' vs 'sales distribution' and
> how that affects the deals made Then vs Now for getting artists paid.
>
> Answer Me These:
>
> A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download Distribution?
>
> B) How Long Will This Take? Why?
>
> C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?
>
>
> Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you are
> so giddy about actually is.
>
> You have as much time as you need.
>
> Start Now.
>

A.
there is no "industry, it is a collection of non associated free market
companies so no one play can make any change to "the industry"

B.
things will happen at different times for each player according to their
ability and need

c.
the is no industry
see above

George

 

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George Gleason wrote:

> A.
> there is no "industry,

> c.
> the is no industry


Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?

 

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In article <b187215g4v2ht52l6dokjakb4fl4bk080r@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:

> In spite of you guys ridiculing Troy, there are indeed artists who
> have become known thru the internet first. Instead of mocking him,
> maybe you guys should go look it up and see if you can prove him
> wrong.

No need to try to prove him wrong on that point. I'm sure there are
some. Someone brought up Ani Defranco, though I still haven't visited
her web site. I'll mention (I think I already did) Tom Rush, who went
from a somewhat major label folk artist to an independent and now
sells pretty well through his web site. But he was known before the
Internet was a household word. It just so happens that most of his
fans are people who have also embraced the Internet.



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In article <ns8721hq2qhaj4q02ho8pp7t1n26dscqhr@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:

> >> Actually there have been acts that gained noteriety on the 'net first,
> >> then later going on to sell product in the conventional manner.

> I tried to find this info, as I really can't remember all the names...
> I don't really follow current pop.

OK, well then show us what you DO know. What kind of music do you
follow? And who are some of the artists in that genre who have "made
it" through the Internet?

> I recall one interview with a hip
> hop guy who said he had mixed feelings about file sharing, as he
> didn't like losing royalties but at the same time it was free
> downloads that broke his first single out.

This sounds a bit like the "We lose money on every sale, but we make
it up in volume." theory of economics.

--
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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

 

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On 28 Feb 2005 21:23:02 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

>It just so happens that most of his
>fans are people who have also embraced the Internet.

People who "have embraced the internet" would be just about everyone
under the age of 30.

Al

 

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On 28 Feb 2005 21:23:03 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

>
>In article <ns8721hq2qhaj4q02ho8pp7t1n26dscqhr@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:
>
>> >> Actually there have been acts that gained noteriety on the 'net first,
>> >> then later going on to sell product in the conventional manner.
>
>> I tried to find this info, as I really can't remember all the names...
>> I don't really follow current pop.
>
>OK, well then show us what you DO know. What kind of music do you
>follow? And who are some of the artists in that genre who have "made
>it" through the Internet?
>
>> I recall one interview with a hip
>> hop guy who said he had mixed feelings about file sharing, as he
>> didn't like losing royalties but at the same time it was free
>> downloads that broke his first single out.
>
>This sounds a bit like the "We lose money on every sale, but we make
>it up in volume." theory of economics.

I'm sure this particular guy makes a lot more money both of us put
together (then again that might not be raising the bar very high).

Al

 

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm really not interested in getting into a pissing match with
> obviously angry people. I could, but it's not worth it. He insulted me
> and I responded.

I don't think I 'insulted' you - perhaps I 'described' you. Very different.
>
> Dave's studio looks nice, but you're right, I haven't heard any of his
> recordings. Why don't you post a link to some?

Observant members of the congregation might spot a few audio samples on my
site... Others have purchased the RAP CD's...
>
> I posted that the reason this all came about was record company greed.
>
> Neither myself or anyone else I've seen here advocates music being
> free. I was simply stating that had they not gotten greedy by not
> lowering CD prices when their manufacturing costs went down, then
> things might not have reached the point they are at.

Actually, a number of people have advocated that music be free.
>
> And thanks guys for bringing testicles, feces and my nonexistent
> family into the conversation. Real classy.

That's what rec.audio.pro is known for - it's class.

 

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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
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> You see Atlas, the last time some ass asked Dave a question like this
> without simply doing his homework first, we lost Dave for half a year,
> and we've lost him before because of similar issues.
>
> You see, some folks don't have the time to wipe other people's asses.
> And you really aren't worth losing this man over because you're too lazy
> to find out the readily available answers to that question on your own.
>
>
Nah, the last time I gave up on rec.audio.pro was due to the political
yahoos, not because of the misguided and misinformed - we hang around here
to bring enlightenment to the misinformed.

--
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DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

 

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, I looked up Dave on AMG earlier when I saw his reply to my post .
>
No need to do that - the last time I checked, the only thing on AMG that I
remember doing was a children's record from a few years ago. I'm just a guy
who's been making a living playing music for more than 30 years, and been
working in recording studios (as either a session musician or engineer) for
more than 25 years. Most of what I've done is dreck (and dreck that you
would not have heard) but that has nothing to do with the fact that if you
love something, you'll find a way to pay for it. As it happens, I still love
great music. So I still find a way to pay for it (and everything else in my
live) by playing and recording music.

--
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DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

 

[john]

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Thanks for that cursory, ill-researched, flip and predominantly agit-prop
response.
Let's see how well some of the others in the class do.

On 2/28/05 4:08 PM, in article HYqdnaQDnM0JFb7fRVn-jg@golden.net, "Bill Van
Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:

> Not sure what you think is so difficult about these points. Like any
> industry, the music companies were managed by people who acquired their
> skills and perceptions in the 60's, as they replaced people who thought
> Nelson Riddle and his Orchestra should set any 14-year-old's heart afire.
>
> All the music industry had to do was hire Shawn Fanning.
>
> What's involved? What they have finally done through iTunes. How long
> will it take? Depends on what you define "it" as. The technological
> job of converting music to digital files, or reversing a 50-year-old
> mind-set.
>
> When did they start? About three days after the horses left the barn.
>
> The music industry is fighting to keep those jobs of manning the
> caboose, stoking the boilers, hoisting the sails, oiling the windmills,
> and skimming money from the process at every stage. It's trying to
> preserve inefficiencies.
>
> How will you find good music in the new age? Geez-- do you honestly
> think we needed Dick Clark to know what "good" music was, especially
> when he had a stake in some of the bands he was promoting? Read your
> local paper, listen to your local college radio station, go out and
> listen before someone tells you who is supposed to be really good, and
> might or might not actually be special.
>
> Anybody notice that when the NHL went on strike, and those incredibly
> amazing athletes went over to Europe to earn some spare change--- a lot
> of them couldn't crack the line-ups of those club teams? What gives?
> Could it be that the media has tried to convince us of something that
> isn't true?

 

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On 2/28/05 4:18 PM, in article
6VLUd.87643$Th1.67601@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "George Gleason"
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> Answer Me These:
>>
>> A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download Distribution?
>>
>> B) How Long Will This Take? Why?
>>
>> C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?
>>
>>
>> Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you are
>> so giddy about actually is.
>>
>> You have as much time as you need.
>>
>> Start Now.
>>
>
> A.
> there is no "industry, it is a collection of non associated free market
> companies so no one play can make any change to "the industry"
>
> B.
> things will happen at different times for each player according to their
> ability and need
>
> c.
> the is no industry
> see above
>
> George

I expected better of you George.

 

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1109572969.155117.229870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Oooh boy indeed. Piling on, anyone?

Yes, maybe I'm piling on, but I've watched some really fantastic names
drop out of this group because of questions like "What the hell do you
know," that were asked by people who knew *nothing* and had been
too lazy to do a simple Google search on this group and realize that folks
like Dave Martin have made _thousands_ of contributions to aid those
who had little to no experience. Who cares how many records anyone
has if their heart is big enough to come here for free and share their
30+ years of experience for absolutely nothing in return but the knowledge
that perhaps they have helped someone.

> Yes, I looked up Dave on AMG earlier when I saw his reply to my post .

My whole page on AMG is totally empty. I haven't written to ask why, but
the whole look to the site has changed since I was there last.

It's not how many records someone has done, it's the years of effort,
the years of experience on both the road and in the studio - the first
hand, hands on experience, and the willingness to come here and
share that (for a fat paycheck... NOT) with those who are just getting
started.

> Y'know, I've been visiting this group for over ten years now. I know
> all the names that have responded to these posts.

If you've been here for ten years, why the dickens did you have the audacity
to ask someone like Dave a question like that? I think it's because you didn't
recognize the name because he's been missing in action for almost a half
a year.... which questions your claim of longevity.

> I find it really sad
> that you have to resort to calling people asses and insulting them and
> their family.

Well... perhaps you have the right to be sad, and perhaps I should
apologize for saying such, but a Google search on his name and this
group would have been enough information to not have needed to ask
such a nearly insulting question.

I'm sorry, I simply don't remember bringing your family into this at all.

> My guess is that things aren't going well for you. Sorry,
> but that's not my, or anyone else's fault.

Look at the subject matter in this thread, and think about that statement.

--
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http/www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
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Point taken... I was indeed referring to the U.S... and I keep a very
close eye on my firewall logs and what happens when my dynamic
IP address changes every couple of days. It's getting scary.

DM


"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message...

> Laws are different from country to country so until we have world wide web
> laws I don't see this happening.Privacy laws still mean something to some
> countries.The US is slowly losing the right to privacy.....this is not a
> good thing and something to think about.
>
>
>
> David Morgan (MAMS) <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
> news:RrzUd.62544$uc.13004@trnddc04...

> > The good thing (or perhaps the bad thing due to privacy issues) is that we
> > are getting very near to having the technology to do just that. All we need
> > is a data base fast enough and capable enough to sort and file everything
> > that's moves across the lines. My impression is that they're getting *very*
> > close right now.

 

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message news:znr1109598721k@trad...
>
> In article <2cxUd.523238$8l.21881@pd7tw1no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:
>
> > Yup a book can be digitizes in minutes with technology that has been around
> > for a few years now.
>
> And you get sentences like the above. If this is what people are
> content with, go for it. It's about time for me to re-read War and
> Peace. eMail me a copy, please.

I'll take one too... but only after ALL of the syntax errors from the
deciphering process have been corrected.

 

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"Lorin David Schultz" <Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote in message news:UGyUd.11999$LN5.5558@edtnps90...
> "play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I believe they have software that can do that now, it's called
> > text-recognition. It can convert an image of the text into word
> > processing application.
>
>
> Ark your taking abort test resignation softhare? It"z awecome.


This is exactly the kind of giberish my first HP conversions would
turn out. I gave up the idea of scanning text pages as .jpgs and then
converting them to text rather quickly. I suppose things are a little
better now.

DM

 

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"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net>...

> We *deserve* the best Got-damn computer fostered music on this
> planet, and don't you forget it. And we intend to get it.


;-)

 

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"atlasrecrd" <atlasrecrd@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

> Oooh boy indeed. Piling on, anyone?


OK, I apologize. I should also stop trying to make it through the
entire morning's download before refreshing the list.... I would have
seen that there was no reason to speak for Dave. :-(


DM

 

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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

> Now you blatantly admit to being a thief and endorsing the act.

That's the same guy who was whining that people with guns steal money
from people downtown. So he's against guns. I think he should be
deprived of Internet access until he grows up or dies, whichever comes
first.

--
ha