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hev wrote:

> The message was simple: The industry must adapt or die.

No, you admitted you're a thief. The message is simple: you can't sell
stuff to thieves. Maybe somebody'll hold you up shortly and you'll get
the point. Talk 'em out of it by trying to sell 'em a technological
revolution. You have no sensible right or reason to blame your own
thievery on anything or anyone other than yourself.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> hev wrote:
>
>> The message was simple: The industry must adapt or die.
>
> No, you admitted you're a thief. The message is simple: you can't sell
> stuff to thieves. Maybe somebody'll hold you up shortly and you'll get
> the point. Talk 'em out of it by trying to sell 'em a technological
> revolution. You have no sensible right or reason to blame your own
> thievery on anything or anyone other than yourself.


My whole generation is a thief. So have it your way:
adapt to the thieves or die.

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"Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>
> what's remarkable is that we have come to assume that media
> manipulation by vertically integrated conglomerates should be the
> norm.



Not speaking for anyone else, but in my post I didn't intend to address
what could be or what should be. Simply what is.

Maybe it's unfortunate that I get my introduction to new artists through
TV and radio, but for better or worse, that's just the way it is for
most people. The vast majority of us are completely passive -- we do
not seek out new material. If something interesting catches our
attention we might buy it, but it's not like we're out there beating the
bushes for interesting talent.

That's why p2p is fatally flawed. Joe Sixpack would have to go looking.
Ain't gonna happen.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:54:41 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
<Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote:

>"Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>>
>> what's remarkable is that we have come to assume that media
>> manipulation by vertically integrated conglomerates should be the
>> norm.
>
>
>
>Not speaking for anyone else, but in my post I didn't intend to address
>what could be or what should be. Simply what is.
>
>Maybe it's unfortunate that I get my introduction to new artists through
>TV and radio, but for better or worse, that's just the way it is for
>most people. The vast majority of us are completely passive -- we do
>not seek out new material. If something interesting catches our
>attention we might buy it, but it's not like we're out there beating the
>bushes for interesting talent.
>
>That's why p2p is fatally flawed. Joe Sixpack would have to go looking.
>Ain't gonna happen.

Yeah, but the people who really do like music, will go looking. And
people who are passionate enough about music to do that, might also be
passionate enough to buy more CDs than Joe 6-pack.

Al

 

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In spite of you guys ridiculing Troy, there are indeed artists who
> have become known thru the internet first. Instead of mocking him,
> maybe you guys should go look it up and see if you can prove him
> wrong.


Name five.

This is where I came in... See a dozen or so previous posts explaining
the advantages of the existing model over p2p. It seems pointless to
simply repeat what's already been written. If you don't want to read
it, that's fine. I'm out.

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I guess it depends what you mean by average? There are a lot of kids
> out there who don't have money.
>
You need a defininition of 'average'? Dang...

But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also don't
have computers and high speed internet access.

--
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DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

 

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S O'Neill wrote:
> George Gleason wrote:
>
>> A.
>> there is no "industry,
>
>
>> c.
>> the is no industry
>
>
>
> Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?

what is the raa?
g

 

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George Gleason wrote:

> S O'Neill wrote:
>
>> George Gleason wrote:
>>
>>> A.
>>> there is no "industry,
>>
>>
>>
>>> c.
>>> the is no industry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?
>
>
> what is the raa?



The Recording Association of America? I figgered you'd know that.

 

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play_on wrote:

> (hank alrich) wrote:

> >Bob Cain wrote:

> >> Fibre will be to every house. I
> >> can't give a time frame but it's not all that far away.

> >Maybe to every city house, and I grant you that's where the populations
> >are. But where I dwell even cabel will not come to my house, ar any
> >house in what passes in the woods for a neighborhood. DSL is now making
> >it 'round the valley floor, but again, it's not coming up the road to my
> >house.

> But living as far out as you do, are a tiny minority of consumers.

Yep.

> Maybe Satellite service someday?

Could do that now, but since I don't download music, why pay for that?
<g>

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:48:44 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>play_on wrote:
>
>> (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>> >Bob Cain wrote:
>
>> >> Fibre will be to every house. I
>> >> can't give a time frame but it's not all that far away.
>
>> >Maybe to every city house, and I grant you that's where the populations
>> >are. But where I dwell even cabel will not come to my house, ar any
>> >house in what passes in the woods for a neighborhood. DSL is now making
>> >it 'round the valley floor, but again, it's not coming up the road to my
>> >house.
>
>> But living as far out as you do, are a tiny minority of consumers.
>
>Yep.
>
>> Maybe Satellite service someday?
>
>Could do that now, but since I don't download music, why pay for that?
><g>

There are lots of other reasons... streaming content, not wasting
cumulative hours of your life waiting for web pages to load, sharing
music files with collaborators, etc etc etc.

Al

 

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hank alrich wrote:

>>Maybe Satellite service someday?
>
>
> Could do that now, but since I don't download music, why pay for that?
> <g>

When you finally do, Hank, you are gonna be shaking your
head wondering why on earth you waited.


Bob
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simpler."

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play_on wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2005 10:22:24 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1109561752.371822.299940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> atlasrecrd@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> I posted that the reason this all came about was record company greed.
>>
>>Some people think that anyone making a profit is greedy. The reason
>>wine prices in restaurants is greed. Download that!
>
>
> In fact the greed of record companies is historic and well known. If
> you don't have an army of lawyers they will screw you in the ass w/out
> lubrication. It's been that way since the start of the recording
> industry.
>
> Al

profit, even excessive obscene profit, is never greed on luxury items.
you can simple not buy it
but you still do not have a right to steal it
George

 

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Mike Rivers wrote:
> Consumers are embracing the MP3 files. It's only engineers who are
> fighting it, and what do we know

Great point; oddly enough all of a sudden it's studio guys being the
the hi-fi cop, whereas when I grew up it was the hi-fi and record
buyers that would keep engineers on their toes with regard to quality.
You would think that engineers would not be sweating the MP3 thing
because of the fact we know it's not the real deal- it's compromised
audio. But that doesn't seem to matter to people like it did when we
were younger. This is what I mean by the collective "dumbing down" that
is occurring. Along with the suspects I chastised before, I blame this
on a couple other things: 1.) Fewer people have pianos in their home.
When I was a kid, every family everywhere had some kind of shared
musical instrument in the house. Nowadays, music isn't as vital a
component to family life as it once was. 2.) general non-appreciation
and lack of school funding for the arts by (ahem) our government. They
simply don't view art as a necessary element in American society. I
personally think that is bad for everyone.

 

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Hev wrote:

> "hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
> news:1gsp8lu.vpvfysl5uuvxN%walkinay@thegrid.net...
>
>>hev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The message was simple: The industry must adapt or die.
>>
>>No, you admitted you're a thief. The message is simple: you can't sell
>>stuff to thieves. Maybe somebody'll hold you up shortly and you'll get
>>the point. Talk 'em out of it by trying to sell 'em a technological
>>revolution. You have no sensible right or reason to blame your own
>>thievery on anything or anyone other than yourself.
>
>
>
> My whole generation is a thief. So have it your way:
> adapt to the thieves or die.
>


On the DVD of the Who's 1970 Isle of Wight show,
there were a lotta people crashing over the fence
a la Woodstock.

So it's not specific to any generation.

--
Les Cargill

 

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reddred wrote:
> They played a lot of gigs, but they charged 5 bucks for most of
those. They
> had/have a global following. The main thing was the label Dischord,
owned by
> a band member. It's a functioning, profitable label, it was before
the band
> started, with a good number of bands signed at any time. Pretty much
the
> same model as any other functioning label, with some twists.

Except the majors. And you're right, the label makes money as well
as the artist. The deals artists get with these labels are often close
to 50/50. I know bands that make more from their previous indie deals
than they do with their current major ones.

 

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Bob Cain wrote:

>
>
> hev wrote:
>
>>> Sorry I missed the conversation. What book are you referring to? I'm
>>> assuming it is one based around the theory that we won't have enough
>>> food in 30 years because of the environmental issues we face today?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Or is it not enough food because of the lack of oil to produce energy
>> needed to create the food?
>
>
> _The Party's Over_
> Richard Heinberg
> New Society Publishers
> ISBN 0-86571-482-7
>
>
> There's a shortage of a whole lot more than food comin' and comin' like
> a freight train.
>
>
> Bob

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Les Cargill wrote:

>> _The Party's Over_
>> Richard Heinberg
>> New Society Publishers
>> ISBN 0-86571-482-7
>>
>> There's a shortage of a whole lot more than food comin' and comin'
>> like a freight train.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>
>
> I'll believe it when I see it.

Have you read it, Les?


Bob
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On 2/28/05 6:23 PM, in article js9721tgik1f1037q0npj5rgsn7quk956q@4ax.com,
"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:

> ... I think a lot of the attitudes in this group are just
> plain old-fart syndrome. It's exactly the way older folks talked
> about rock n roll in the 1950s.
>
> Al

Hehehe... Yu be so klulez man...
You don' even think that you aint talkin to 'average dumbol older folks'
....

When R&R was stating in the 50's , the strata of folks comparable to those
here were RECORDING it
and knew whence it came
and if they didn't like elvis' HOUND DOG (cause he turned a truly primo
dirty lil blues number into a Perry Como equivalent), they still were
admiring the talent that went into the production of it anyway...

 

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:13:18 GMT, John <ssconmag1@verizon.net> wrote:

>On 2/28/05 6:23 PM, in article js9721tgik1f1037q0npj5rgsn7quk956q@4ax.com,
>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> ... I think a lot of the attitudes in this group are just
>> plain old-fart syndrome. It's exactly the way older folks talked
>> about rock n roll in the 1950s.
>>
>> Al
>
>Hehehe... Yu be so klulez man...
>You don' even think that you aint talkin to 'average dumbol older folks'
>...
>
>When R&R was stating in the 50's , the strata of folks comparable to those
>here were RECORDING it
>and knew whence it came
>and if they didn't like elvis' HOUND DOG (cause he turned a truly primo
>dirty lil blues number into a Perry Como equivalent), they still were
>admiring the talent that went into the production of it anyway...

So since you are making this connection, where is the admiration of
the R.A.P. crowd for current RAP music?

Al

 

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On 2/28/05 6:30 PM, in article znr1109627653k@trad, "Mike Rivers"
<mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:

> Advertising. Maybe when you play a CD there would be hidden tracks
> that play ads for new hip clothing or microwave ovens or beer. And you
> might find the Home Depot logo on your jacket artwork.

Hey, that's what TIVO is finally letting everybody know is their business
model...