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I am a musician,I own a CD /DVD duplication & Graphics company that will be
expanding and adding a digital offset press and bindery equipment this
year,and I have a studio opening later on this year with a partner.

I work with a lot of well known musicians (some known world wide) I also
work with some very big producers.

I am in the ranks of the music business and illigal downloading hurts me
just like everyone else in the business.m on the front lines just like you
guys.




Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <_mHUd.527907$6l.66824@pd7tw2no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:
>
> > Hold on there Mike.......Read my posts.....I don't steal music ,I am
against
> > it.But I am all for new technology and I hope this can be resolved in
the
> > future with new technology.
>
> So are you in any way involved with music, as a player, writer,
> performer, consumer? Or are you just into the technology?
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

 

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>Why wouldn't you put much weight on Knab's word?
>>>
>>> I would just take him with a grain of salt. I was part of a radio
>>> show at KCMU when Knab was running it. This was a campus station that
>>> depended on the University and on listener support for funding. He
>>> made some iffy decisions while I was there, that angered a lot of
>>> people
>>
>>
>>I'm pretty sure he doesn't like it when stations have a "block" format,
>>which I can understand. It does lend itself towards more diversity but it
>>usually doesn't help with "ratings".
>
> Block format? You mean like, 3 hours of this, 3 hours of that? Yes,
> the station was exremely diverse, & Knab was trying to tone it down.


Exactly. It isn't good for listener numbers.


> He thought there were too many people playing extremely uncommercial
> kinds of music. He didn't like the noisy stuff, punk, industrial,
> experimental, etc. He was lobbying for boring, syndicated radio shows
> such as "World Cafe" over locally produced stuff. I'm not sure why he
> was trying to make this little college station into something it
> didn't want to be. At any rate, eventually Paul Allen took it over
> and now it's on the air (and the internet) as KEXP.


>>I really enjoyed Knab's insight into the industry.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think KCMU was about as far as he got
> into the industry... pretty small time.


I would be pretty proud about being involved in something that became KEXP.
Regardless his classes were very insightful.


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Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> In article <jay-45D78C.09102828022005@news.stanford.edu>
jay@ccrma.stanford.edu writes:
>
> > When CDs first came out, I really lamentedthe end of the album cover.
But
> > after
> > years of producing CD booklets, I think we still have a nice artwork
medium to
> > work with.
>
> But as CD covers are maturing, so are we. I can't read the fine print
> any more.

Then remember to never sign on the dotted line !!!



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> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

 

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play_on wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2005 21:23:02 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
> wrote:
>
>
>>It just so happens that most of his
>>fans are people who have also embraced the Internet.
>
>
> People who "have embraced the internet" would be just about everyone
> under the age of 30.
>
> Al

actually I find the college aged kids I know generally abhor the
Internet as a vapid waste of time
but then they are artists, musicians , poets and dreamers
not your run of the mill career track kids
George

 

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George Gleason wrote:

> S O'Neill wrote:
>
>> George Gleason wrote:
>>
>>> A.
>>> there is no "industry,
>>
>>
>>
>>> c.
>>> the is no industry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?
>
>
> what is the raa?
> g

Best I can tell,. it's the Egyptian sun-god
under the transform s/ra/raa/g .

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play_on wrote:

> georgeh wrote:

> >"Roger W. Norman" writes:
> >>Well, if you were there, sometimes the performances were good, sometimes
> >>they weren't. Yous pays yous dollars and yous takes yous chances. Anybody
> >>ever been waiting for 2 hours for Sly Stone only to be told the show was
> >>off?

> >Anybody? I thought EVERBODY had been there!

> Yep... it's too bad too because the guy was a true genius, IMO much
> more so than Stevie Wonder, who often gets that label.

Stevie's enduring musiciannship goes _WAY_ beyond what we hear in his
pop offerings. He can play stuff that'd wrap Sly around the axle.

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> play_on wrote:

> >It's a cultural thing that I doubt will change easily, or anytime
> >soon. Chinese don't have the same feeling about "originality" as
> >westerners do... for example to many Chinese, an exact copy of an
> >ancient temple, sculpture, or painting is as good as the real thing.

> I don't know... three hundred years ago, the feeling about originality
> in the West was very different too. The Chinese catch up fast.

Yep, now they're dealing themselves a nice load of serious pollution,
the country folks are getting poisoned industrially, and they can't
afford their medicines. Hmmmm... where have I read that before...

They might turn out to be really good capitalists.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:31:20 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> play_on wrote:
>
>> >It's a cultural thing that I doubt will change easily, or anytime
>> >soon. Chinese don't have the same feeling about "originality" as
>> >westerners do... for example to many Chinese, an exact copy of an
>> >ancient temple, sculpture, or painting is as good as the real thing.
>
>> I don't know... three hundred years ago, the feeling about originality
>> in the West was very different too. The Chinese catch up fast.
>
>Yep, now they're dealing themselves a nice load of serious pollution,
>the country folks are getting poisoned industrially, and they can't
>afford their medicines. Hmmmm... where have I read that before...
>
>They might turn out to be really good capitalists.

The Chinese have always been excellent capitalists. Mao just
sidetracked them for awhile.

Al

 

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Les Cargill wrote:

> On the DVD of the Who's 1970 Isle of Wight show,
> there were a lotta people crashing over the fence
> a la Woodstock.

> So it's not specific to any generation.

Same thing shown in several Canadian cities in the Festival Express
film. Mob behavior, from obviously middleclass people demanding the
music be "free".

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Tracy Wintermute <arrgh@greenapple.com> wrote:

> In a small town about an hour east of here, some kid got busted for
> operating his 'boom car' in violation of a noise ordinance.
> The judge sentenced him to (I think it was12 hours) locked in a room
> with loud non-stop polka music piped in.

See where this Bush league stuff is getting us? Whatever happened to the
prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment??

(Served him rightly, I say. <g>)

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>>>
>>> Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?
>>
>>
>>
>> what is the raa?
>> g
>
>
> Best I can tell,. it's the Egyptian sun-god
> under the transform s/ra/raa/g .
>
> --
> Les Cargill

works for me
I can abide sun worship
George

 

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play_on wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2005 18:30:22 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <cvviif$27qc$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu writes:
>>
>>
>>>So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
>>>records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
>>>That might pump up sales!
>>
>>Well, there are CD box sets. Talk about expensive for mostly old
>>music! Nice books for the most part, though. Hope the authors are well
>>paid since the musicians are often dead.
>
>
> There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
> was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
> Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
> already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
> Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>
> Al

wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?
having a
income stream is funny that way

 

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:41:39 GMT, George Gleason
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>play_on wrote:
>> On 28 Feb 2005 18:30:22 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <cvviif$27qc$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
>>>>records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
>>>>That might pump up sales!
>>>
>>>Well, there are CD box sets. Talk about expensive for mostly old
>>>music! Nice books for the most part, though. Hope the authors are well
>>>paid since the musicians are often dead.
>>
>>
>> There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
>> was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
>> Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
>> already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
>> Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>>
>> Al
>
>wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?

People still pay FULL PRICE for current hits. Despite the whining,
they are still selling a lot of CDs.

Al

 

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play_on wrote:

> (hank alrich) wrote:

> >play_on wrote:

> >> Maybe Satellite service someday?

> >Could do that now, but since I don't download music, why pay for that?

> There are lots of other reasons... streaming content,

I get that right in the next room from musical instruments. No waiting,
no messy ads, what I want to hear on demand.

> not wasting cumulative hours of your life waiting for web pages to load,

I don't do enough of that to sweat it; most pages download while I'm
reading RAP.

> sharing music files with collaborators, etc etc etc.

I'd rather share music with musicians in realtime. I like to collaborate
in person. I like what happens when people actually play music together.
For all the complaining about the lifelessness of music today, nobody
stops to think that a lot of what kicked ass once upon a time was made
that way. Conversation is more interesting than a bunch of parallel
monologues.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:31:05 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>play_on wrote:
>
>> (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>> >play_on wrote:
>
>> >> Maybe Satellite service someday?
>
>> >Could do that now, but since I don't download music, why pay for that?
>
>> There are lots of other reasons... streaming content,
>
>I get that right in the next room from musical instruments. No waiting,
>no messy ads, what I want to hear on demand.
>
>> not wasting cumulative hours of your life waiting for web pages to load,
>
>I don't do enough of that to sweat it; most pages download while I'm
>reading RAP.
>
>> sharing music files with collaborators, etc etc etc.
>
>I'd rather share music with musicians in realtime. I like to collaborate
>in person. I like what happens when people actually play music together.
>For all the complaining about the lifelessness of music today, nobody
>stops to think that a lot of what kicked ass once upon a time was made
>that way. Conversation is more interesting than a bunch of parallel
>monologues.

Hey, I play real, live music all the time too. I work as a musisican
as often as possible. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy other ways of
listening to, or sharing music. And if you don't want to have a
faster connection, doesn't mean other people don't want it.

Al

 

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In article <zlOUd.2562$wy3.1603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:

> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also don't
> have computers and high speed internet access.

Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
tennis shoes.

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In article <ahQUd.529252$Xk.91381@pd7tw3no> alternate-root@shaw.ca writes:

> I am a musician,I own a CD /DVD duplication & Graphics company that will be
> expanding and adding a digital offset press and bindery equipment this
> year,and I have a studio opening later on this year with a partner.
>
> I work with a lot of well known musicians (some known world wide) I also
> work with some very big producers.

Names, man! Names! Who are you? Who have you worked with? I want to
test your theory that there are people who are using the Internet
effectively for selling music.

> I am in the ranks of the music business and illigal downloading hurts me
> just like everyone else in the business.m on the front lines just like you
> guys.

So why don't you work on a solution?


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Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>I think the difference between kids working a job and buying albums in the
>70s as compared to 2005 is this........The people(kids) of yester year had
>much higher work ethics than a lot of people (kids) now a days.Kids today
>want a quick buck and they want to do as little to get it as possible.They
>have champain tasts on a beer income.They are to into their clothes and cars
>to be bothered spending $15 on a CD they can get for free on the interernet.

That's exactly what my father said about my generation when I was a kid,
though.
---scott

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"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ban721lmfevp46g7its8q62k7j9heprfs9@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:48:56 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
> >play_on wrote:
> >
> >> In spite of you guys ridiculing Troy, there are indeed artists who
> >> have become known thru the internet first. Instead of mocking him,
> >> maybe you guys should go look it up and see if you can prove him
> >> wrong.
> >
> >Al,
> >
> >If this Internet fame thing is happening, and some of y'all are telling
> >us it is, then why is it none of you can come up with names?
>
> I read stories and interviews, but if it's not an artist that I know
> well, or that I am interested in, I don't retain all the information.
> It does not follow however that I am making it all up or that it
> didn't happen. I read a LOT of stuff, plus being over 50 I admit my
> memory isn't what it used to be... can't speak for Tony's excuse
> though.
>
> Al


Most of what I've read, is that someone put a song on a hosting
service, called all of their friends, relatives, teachers, enemies
and neighbors, begged them to go listen and to tell everyone that
they knew to do the same. I have a couple of friends who held the
number one downloaded song on some service(?) for several days
straight. The service even did a little story on them. End result...
they made about $175 and dropped into oblivion. While I was doing
my civic duty (I recorded the damn thing) and listening to the song,
I did read some stats on people who had made a few thousand $$
doing this, but the articles on these examples indicated that these
bigger money makers had been playing out for some time in major
metro areas and doing some light touring. Basically, their stuff still
never really made it off the ground solely from that fleeting moment
of internet notoriety.

DM

 

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:59:55 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote:

>
>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ban721lmfevp46g7its8q62k7j9heprfs9@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:48:56 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >play_on wrote:
>> >
>> >> In spite of you guys ridiculing Troy, there are indeed artists who
>> >> have become known thru the internet first. Instead of mocking him,
>> >> maybe you guys should go look it up and see if you can prove him
>> >> wrong.
>> >
>> >Al,
>> >
>> >If this Internet fame thing is happening, and some of y'all are telling
>> >us it is, then why is it none of you can come up with names?
>>
>> I read stories and interviews, but if it's not an artist that I know
>> well, or that I am interested in, I don't retain all the information.
>> It does not follow however that I am making it all up or that it
>> didn't happen. I read a LOT of stuff, plus being over 50 I admit my
>> memory isn't what it used to be... can't speak for Tony's excuse
>> though.
>>
>> Al
>
>
>Most of what I've read, is that someone put a song on a hosting
>service, called all of their friends, relatives, teachers, enemies
>and neighbors, begged them to go listen and to tell everyone that
>they knew to do the same. I have a couple of friends who held the
>number one downloaded song on some service(?) for several days
>straight. The service even did a little story on them. End result...
>they made about $175 and dropped into oblivion. While I was doing
>my civic duty (I recorded the damn thing) and listening to the song,
>I did read some stats on people who had made a few thousand $$
>doing this, but the articles on these examples indicated that these
>bigger money makers had been playing out for some time in major
>metro areas and doing some light touring. Basically, their stuff still
>never really made it off the ground solely from that fleeting moment
>of internet notoriety.
>
>DM

From memory, the thing I read was that the guy had a CD released on a
label, but it wasn't getting any play on the radio or in clubs or
whatever, it wasn't doing anything. It started getting passed around
by file sharing, like a word of mouth thing, and there became a buzz
and a greater demand for the CD from that, and it turned into a hit.

Al