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In article <mpOdnfPHzozeYL7fRVn-og@omsoft.com> nopsam@nospam.net writes:

> >> Are you a card-carrying member of the RAA, then?

> The Recording Association of America? I figgered you'd know that.

Is there one of those now, too? The organization I suspect he's
talking about is the RIAA, the Recording Industry Association of
America (formerly the RIA, without the America).

Typo or ignorance?

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Mike Rivers wrote:


> Typo or ignorance?


A facetious play on the repetition of "there is no industry"


Recording ********** (no industry, get it?) Assoc....


nevermind.


There's no "I" in potato.

 

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In article <hbp721hlulv3qng2nbh69r0g0turkva5eh@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:

> Hey they have ads on cable TV too (remember them touting ad-free "pay
> TV"?)

Cable first came to my neighborhood around 1984. I subscribed because
it was only $3/month (without HBO) and, being down in a hole, I never
got very good reception on some of the weaker stations. There were
actually cable programs back then that you would watch for half an
hour without being interrupted with commercials. I eventually dropped
it when it went to over $10/month. These days most people are paying
$50/month or more for cable TV around here.

> And now you can go to the movies, pay $9 for a ticket and watch
> 20 minutes of commercials and previews.

There's a theater around here that advertises that they don't show
commercials (but they do show movie previews).



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In article <%hVUd.26550$uc.23392@trnddc09> mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com writes:

> Most of what I've read, is that someone put a song on a hosting
> service, called all of their friends, relatives, teachers, enemies
> and neighbors, begged them to go listen and to tell everyone that
> they knew to do the same.

Or posted something on rec.audio.pro about "the song I just recorded."
But a web hit is a web hit.


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On 1 Mar 2005 07:24:22 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:

>
>In article <zlOUd.2562$wy3.1603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also don't
>> have computers and high speed internet access.
>
>Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
>tennis shoes.

Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
to any?

Al

 

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play_on wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:41:39 GMT, George Gleason
> <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>play_on wrote:
>>
>>>On 28 Feb 2005 18:30:22 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <cvviif$27qc$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So bring back full LP-sized covers. They were often more fun than the
>>>>>records they contained. And they were useful, too, for "separating" things.
>>>>>That might pump up sales!
>>>>
>>>>Well, there are CD box sets. Talk about expensive for mostly old
>>>>music! Nice books for the most part, though. Hope the authors are well
>>>>paid since the musicians are often dead.
>>>
>>>
>>>There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
>>>was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
>>>Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
>>>already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
>>>Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>>>
>>>Al
>>
>>wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?
>
>
> People still pay FULL PRICE for current hits. Despite the whining,
> they are still selling a lot of CDs.
>
> Al

so there is no P2P or file sharing ?
I guess its all media smoke and mirrors
right?
I support the prosecutions of the music thieves
as his Bobness said
One should never be where one does not belong

 

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Scott Dorsey wrote:


> I don't know about the RAA, but I am using RIAA emphasis right now.


Oh, man, make one stupid joke and they've gotcha! UNCLE!

 

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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
> > On 2/28/05 2:37 PM, in article 9sOdnbMRGZvJ7r7fRVn-sQ@golden.net, "Bill
Van
> > Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The music industry was not very astute. If they had seen coming what
> >>many of us saw coming-- the widespread adoption of the internet-- they
> >>might have realized that making music available for download at a very
> >>reasonable cost and in a format they had some control over would have
> >>been fantastically lucrative. Now, (like the NHL owners, who come to
> >>mind), they demand that we pay for their stupidity and lack of foresight
> >>and greed. They deserve nothing.
> >
> >
> > "... If they had seen coming..." ??????
> >
> > Ok..
> > Let's Do This
> > (all you folkses are SO damnably pompous about the whole issue yet seem
to
> > have no idea what you;re saying so...)
> > Let's do This
> >
> > Know that the following are deceptively simple questions.
> > To mean anything, the answers must include ramifications from a very
basic
> > understanding of what constitutes 'broadcasting' vs 'sales distribution'
and
> > how that affects the deals made Then vs Now for getting artists paid.
> >
> > Answer Me These:
> >
> > A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download
Distribution?
> >
> > B) How Long Will This Take? Why?
> >
> > C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?
> >
> >
> > Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you
are
> > so giddy about actually is.
> >
> > You have as much time as you need.
> >
> > Start Now.
> >
>
> A.
> there is no "industry, it is a collection of non associated free market
> companies so no one play can make any change to "the industry"
>
> B.
> things will happen at different times for each player according to their
> ability and need
>
> c.
> the is no industry
> see above
>

I don't know man, they were convicted of price fixing. That indicates to me
that they get together, and do it enough that they are comfortable taking a
risky legal move.

jb

 

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> writes:
>I think the difference between kids working a job and buying albums in the
>70s as compared to 2005 is this........The people(kids) of yester year had
>much higher work ethics than a lot of people (kids) now a days.Kids today
>want a quick buck and they want to do as little to get it as possible.They
>have champain tasts on a beer income.They are to into their clothes and cars
>to be bothered spending $15 on a CD they can get for free on the interernet.

The kids when I was growing up wanted a quick buck and to do as little as
possible to get it. I don't think that's a generational thing.

 

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George Gleason <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
>> was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
>> Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
>> already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
>> Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>> Al

>wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?
>having a
> income stream is funny that way

Actually I rarely paid full retail from my records back then. Sears and
Roebuck used to have weekly sales on most or the pop stuff, and EJ Korvette
had a GREAT selection with more esotric stuff --- always at a decent discount.

I'd go the the record store only to special order some REALLY off-the-wall
stuff.

 

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On 1 Mar 2005 17:34:55 GMT, georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu> wrote:

>George Gleason <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>> There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
>>> was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
>>> Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
>>> already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
>>> Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>>> Al
>
>>wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?
>>having a
>> income stream is funny that way
>
>Actually I rarely paid full retail from my records back then. Sears and
>Roebuck used to have weekly sales on most or the pop stuff, and EJ Korvette
>had a GREAT selection with more esotric stuff --- always at a decent discount.
>
>I'd go the the record store only to special order some REALLY off-the-wall
>stuff.

Me too, I'd always check the cut outs at the drug stores and
supermarkets, you could usually find a great album or two for $2.99 or
less.

Al

 

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> I don't think anyone today is making styrene pressings. I know that I
> asked the guys at Record Industries about it and the expression on their
> faces was priceless.

You can get styrene pressings free with take-out food.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:11:09 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> I don't think anyone today is making styrene pressings. I know that I
>> asked the guys at Record Industries about it and the expression on their
>> faces was priceless.
>
>You can get styrene pressings free with take-out food.

But those *really* sound bad.

Al

 

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play on wrote:

> (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:

> >> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also don't
> >> have computers and high speed internet access.

> >Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
> >tennis shoes.

> Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
> houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
> to any?

Al,

I have six children. The fortunate truth is that they do not match well
with the majority of their peers. That means they are hardworking,
honest, willing to buy music they like, not willing to bother stealing
music they don't like, not made insecure by marketing that suggests they
need fake tits, and so forth. I find their priorities inspiring and I am
grateful.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:23:00 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>play on wrote:
>
>> (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>>> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> >> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also don't
>> >> have computers and high speed internet access.
>
>> >Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
>> >tennis shoes.
>
>> Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
>> houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
>> to any?
>
>Al,
>
>I have six children. The fortunate truth is that they do not match well
>with the majority of their peers. That means they are hardworking,
>honest, willing to buy music they like, not willing to bother stealing
>music they don't like, not made insecure by marketing that suggests they
>need fake tits, and so forth. I find their priorities inspiring and I am
>grateful.

Yes we all know that you have the perfect life...

Al

 

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"play on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:23:00 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
>>play on wrote:
>>
>>> (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>>>> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>>
>>> >> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also
>>> >> don't
>>> >> have computers and high speed internet access.
>>
>>> >Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
>>> >tennis shoes.
>>
>>> Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
>>> houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
>>> to any?
>>
>>Al,
>>
>>I have six children. The fortunate truth is that they do not match well
>>with the majority of their peers. That means they are hardworking,
>>honest, willing to buy music they like, not willing to bother stealing
>>music they don't like, not made insecure by marketing that suggests they
>>need fake tits, and so forth. I find their priorities inspiring and I am
>>grateful.
>
> Yes we all know that you have the perfect life...

And are the perfect moral person.

-hev

 

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play on wrote:
> On 1 Mar 2005 17:34:55 GMT, georgeh <georgeh@gjhsun.cl.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>George Gleason <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>>>>There is something bothersome about paying $120 for a CD box set that
>>>>was music made by and for poor folks two or three generations ago.
>>>>Figure original sessions have been paid for about 1,000,000 times
>>>>already... but we still have to pay $65 for the Hank Williams box.
>>>>Remember when older music sold for cheap?
>>>>Al
>>
>>>wasn't that when people were PAYING FULL PRICE for current hits?
>>>having a
>>> income stream is funny that way
>>
>>Actually I rarely paid full retail from my records back then. Sears and
>>Roebuck used to have weekly sales on most or the pop stuff, and EJ Korvette
>>had a GREAT selection with more esotric stuff --- always at a decent discount.
>>
>>I'd go the the record store only to special order some REALLY off-the-wall
>>stuff.
>
>
> Me too, I'd always check the cut outs at the drug stores and
> supermarkets, you could usually find a great album or two for $2.99 or
> less.
>
> Al


the cut-outs were not current hits
george

 

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Society needs more kids like this,as this is notwhatI see around me
today.Kids likethat are not a product of society they are a product of their
parents teachings.I hope my 3 kids will turn out this way,I try my best to
instill the highest quailities on them.



hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> play on wrote:
>
> > (Mike Rivers) wrote:
> >> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > >> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also
don't
> > >> have computers and high speed internet access.
>
> > >Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
> > >tennis shoes.
>
> > Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
> > houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
> > to any?
>
> Al,
>
> I have six children. The fortunate truth is that they do not match well
> with the majority of their peers. That means they are hardworking,
> honest, willing to buy music they like, not willing to bother stealing
> music they don't like, not made insecure by marketing that suggests they
> need fake tits, and so forth. I find their priorities inspiring and I am
> grateful.
>
> --
> ha

 

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reddred wrote:
> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:6VLUd.87643$Th1.67601@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>John wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/28/05 2:37 PM, in article 9sOdnbMRGZvJ7r7fRVn-sQ@golden.net, "Bill
>
> Van
>
>>>Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The music industry was not very astute. If they had seen coming what
>>>>many of us saw coming-- the widespread adoption of the internet-- they
>>>>might have realized that making music available for download at a very
>>>>reasonable cost and in a format they had some control over would have
>>>>been fantastically lucrative. Now, (like the NHL owners, who come to
>>>>mind), they demand that we pay for their stupidity and lack of foresight
>>>>and greed. They deserve nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>"... If they had seen coming..." ??????
>>>
>>>Ok..
>>>Let's Do This
>>>(all you folkses are SO damnably pompous about the whole issue yet seem
>
> to
>
>>>have no idea what you;re saying so...)
>>>Let's do This
>>>
>>>Know that the following are deceptively simple questions.
>>>To mean anything, the answers must include ramifications from a very
>
> basic
>
>>>understanding of what constitutes 'broadcasting' vs 'sales distribution'
>
> and
>
>>>how that affects the deals made Then vs Now for getting artists paid.
>>>
>>>Answer Me These:
>>>
>>>A) What's Involved In The Industry Changing Over to Download
>
> Distribution?
>
>>>B) How Long Will This Take? Why?
>>>
>>>C) When Did The Industry Start This Process?
>>>
>>>
>>>Blowing-off ANY of the above points out how ersatz this 'revolution' you
>
> are
>
>>>so giddy about actually is.
>>>
>>>You have as much time as you need.
>>>
>>>Start Now.
>>>
>>
>>A.
>>there is no "industry, it is a collection of non associated free market
>>companies so no one play can make any change to "the industry"
>>
>>B.
>>things will happen at different times for each player according to their
>>ability and need
>>
>>c.
>>the is no industry
>>see above
>>
>
>
> I don't know man, they were convicted of price fixing. That indicates to me
> that they get together, and do it enough that they are comfortable taking a
> risky legal move.
>
> jb
>
>

who are "they"
you sound like this is "skull and bones, secret handshake " stuff
so a couple of distributors got together and decided rather than a price
war they would offer a common wholesale price
this is nothing short of how the government regulates the trucking
industry except the tariffs are set by "big brother" not the insidious
trucking cabal
George

 

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You know Hank I heard some pretty disterbing news on TV last night.The legal
online download companies are looking at putting their per song download
prices up.I know they have to turn a profit and pay people but these sites
are pretty new and already they want to drive up the prices.I think you will
find this very bad for business if they keep marking stuff up to try and
recoup some loses.Some people will say the hell with you after a while and
just start stealing again out of spite not money.

I think this is a very bad business move on their part.

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hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> play on wrote:
>
> > (Mike Rivers) wrote:
> >> dmainc@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > >> But I would suggest that those kids who don't have money likely also
don't
> > >> have computers and high speed internet access.
>
> > >Maybe they do, and that's why they don't have money to buy CDs or
> > >tennis shoes.
>
> > Internet connections can be shared, files can be downloaded at friends
> > houses, etc etc etc. Do any of you guys even have kids, or ever talk
> > to any?
>
> Al,
>
> I have six children. The fortunate truth is that they do not match well
> with the majority of their peers. That means they are hardworking,
> honest, willing to buy music they like, not willing to bother stealing
> music they don't like, not made insecure by marketing that suggests they
> need fake tits, and so forth. I find their priorities inspiring and I am
> grateful.
>
> --
> ha