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In article <4jiVd.2480$L17.590@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> mrtomm@earthlink.net writes:

> Ella don't need no stinking Auto-tune, EVER!!!!

But if it had been invented while she was actively recording, would
they have used it anyway? Probably so, sadly.

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Had the GREAT pleasure to see this lady perform in Stuttgart
about a week before the Berlin gig. Still one of the
highlights of my life 45 years later. She did "A Tisket, A
Tasket" riff and scat for about 10-15 minutes, sublime.

Chip Wood

"Tommy B" <mrtomm@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Ella don't need no stinking Auto-tune, EVER!!!!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> "Kurt Albershardt" <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message
> news:38l2dfF5n4i03U1@individual.net...
> > Dave Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought Ella Fitzgerald's "Live in Berlin" CD so that
I would have
> > > a copy of "Mac the Knife". it was worth the $18 I paid
for the record
> for
> > > that one performance. And then I heard Ella's
recording of "How High The
> > > Moon". Damn! That's a free song to me, and it's worth
at least as much
> as
> > > Mac the Knife to me. Ignoring the other songs on that
record, I ALREADY
> got
> > > $40 worth of music for my $20.
> >
> > OK, it's on my list (thanks.)
> >
> > But I like $12.79
>
<http/www.alldirect.com/music/mItem.asp?mitemNo=7314519564
23>
> >
> >
>
>

 

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Martin wrote:
>
> > Well, I wouldn't have any qualms about giving Hank a key to my house, my
car
> > or my studio.
>
> Now we're talkin'! I always wanted a real studio.
>
See? Lets make a record as good as the Bug Henderson record you did
(unfortunately, that means finding someone as good as Bug...), and we'll
talk.

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"Kurt Albershardt" <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Martin wrote:
> >
> > I bought Ella Fitzgerald's "Live in Berlin" CD so that I would have
> > a copy of "Mac the Knife". it was worth the $18 I paid for the record
for
> > that one performance. And then I heard Ella's recording of "How High The
> > Moon". Damn! That's a free song to me, and it's worth at least as much
as
> > Mac the Knife to me. Ignoring the other songs on that record, I ALREADY
got
> > $40 worth of music for my $20.
>
> OK, it's on my list (thanks.)
>
> But I like $12.79
<http/www.alldirect.com/music/mItem.asp?mitemNo=731451956423>

Oh, I never said that you couldn't get it cheaper than what I paid for it -
it's simply that I was in my local Tower and saw it. So I bought it then. No
waiting.

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Dave Martin
DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

 

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Dave Martin wrote:
>
>> OK, it's on my list (thanks.)
>>
>> But I like $12.79
>
> <http/www.alldirect.com/music/mItem.asp?mitemNo=731451956423>
>
> Oh, I never said that you couldn't get it cheaper than what I paid for it -
> it's simply that I was in my local Tower and saw it. So I bought it then. No
> waiting.

Since I left LA, the concept of going into a record store to shop for music has sort of lost it's shine.

 

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is this another weird uptempo version, after Louis Armstrong?

It was probably done the same year as bobby darin's version. My impression
from her intoduction is that they decided to do it since they were in Berlin
and was therefore written by a local composer. The reason I wanted it in the
first place (after hearing it on jazz stations for years) is that Ella
either runs out of lyrics or forgets lyrics about 2/3 of the way through the
song. And it doesn't matter a bit - she just starts doing that Ella thing...
>

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Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I think the difference between kids working a job and buying albums in the
>> 70s as compared to 2005 is this........The people(kids) of yester year had
>> much higher work ethics than a lot of people (kids) now a days.Kids today
>> want a quick buck and they want to do as little to get it as possible.They
>> have champain tasts on a beer income.They are to into their clothes and cars
>> to be bothered spending $15 on a CD they can get for free on the interernet.
>
>
> That's exactly what my father said about my generation when I was a kid,
> though.


My father never said that, but one of my grandfathers did. At the time I was working 30 hours a week during high school.

 

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Hev wrote:
> "Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>hev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Sorry I missed the conversation. What book are you referring to? I'm
>>>>assuming it is one based around the theory that we won't have enough food
>>>>in 30 years because of the environmental issues we face today?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Or is it not enough food because of the lack of oil to produce energy
>>>needed to create the food?
>>
>>_The Party's Over_
>>Richard Heinberg
>>New Society Publishers
>>ISBN 0-86571-482-7
>>
>>
>>There's a shortage of a whole lot more than food comin' and comin' like a
>>freight train.
>
>
>
> Thanks. It is on the way to me as we speak!


Once you've read it, drop back in and let us know what you thought of it...

 

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Dave Martin wrote:

> The reason I wanted it in the
> first place (after hearing it on jazz stations for years) is that Ella
> either runs out of lyrics or forgets lyrics about 2/3 of the way through the
> song. And it doesn't matter a bit - she just starts doing that Ella thing...

Yeah, and her saxaphone cost even less than Ornette's first plastic
alto!

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ha

 

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And she didn't need no stinkin lyrics, either. Notice how she keeps going
on How High the Moon, laughing at herself for not knowing the words?

Adam



in article 4jiVd.2480$L17.590@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, Tommy B at
mrtomm@earthlink.net wrote on 3/2/05 7:27 AM:

> Ella don't need no stinking Auto-tune, EVER!!!!
>
> Tom

 

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
> >Dave Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> I bought Ella Fitzgerald's "Live in Berlin" CD so that I would have
> >> a copy of "Mac the Knife". it was worth the $18 I paid for the record
for
> >> that one performance. And then I heard Ella's recording of "How High
The
> >> Moon". Damn! That's a free song to me, and it's worth at least as much
as
> >> Mac the Knife to me. Ignoring the other songs on that record, I ALREADY
got
> >> $40 worth of music for my $20.
> >
> >OK, it's on my list (thanks.)
>
> Is this another weird uptempo version, after Louis Armstrong?
>
> I played the original version in my office last summer and the guy across
> the hall came in and boggled. He'd never heard anything but the wacky
> Armstrong version and thought the original was some kind of satire.

Is that the broadway version?

jb

 

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On 2 Mar 2005 08:35:07 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Is this another weird uptempo version, after Louis Armstrong?
>
>I played the original version in my office last summer and the guy across
>the hall came in and boggled. He'd never heard anything but the wacky
>Armstrong version and thought the original was some kind of satire. Which
>it is, when you come and think about it...

My first eight cats were named MacHeath, Jenny Diver, Polly Peachum,
Tiger Brown, Sukie Tawdry, Lucy Brown, Little Brother (?), and
Victor (Victorious Messenger, get it?...).

Sukie is still here beside me, aged sixteen this year.
I let my sweety name all the following cats. She now has fourteen
indoors and is scrambling for names herself.

Chris Hornbeck
"If what the player is giving you is good, you can hardly miss. If it's
not, there's nothing you can do with a mic that will make it right."
-Mike Rivers

 

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In article <38n91lF5pl9gtU3@individual.net>, Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net>
wrote:

> Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the difference between kids working a job and buying albums in the
> >> 70s as compared to 2005 is this........The people(kids) of yester year had
> >> much higher work ethics than a lot of people (kids) now a days.Kids today
> >> want a quick buck and they want to do as little to get it as possible.They
> >> have champain tasts on a beer income.They are to into their clothes and
> >> cars
> >> to be bothered spending $15 on a CD they can get for free on the
> >> interernet.
> >
> >
> > That's exactly what my father said about my generation when I was a kid,
> > though.
>
>
> My father never said that, but one of my grandfathers did. At the time I was
> working 30 hours a week during high school.
>

Slacker!

-Jay
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In article <075d21lhohgk0cvmk3jbne72sg5qsmsk9p@4ax.com>,
Chris Hornbeck <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote:

[snip]

>
> Sukie is still here beside me, aged sixteen this year.
> I let my sweety name all the following cats. She now has fourteen
> indoors and is scrambling for names herself.
>

Thanks for making 6 cats seem reasonable...

-Jay
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x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
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reddred <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote (about Mack the Knife) in message
>>
>> I played the original version in my office last summer and the guy across
>> the hall came in and boggled. He'd never heard anything but the wacky
>> Armstrong version and thought the original was some kind of satire.
>
>Is that the broadway version?

I suppose Threepenny Opera was broadway, sure. The original was actually
German and is considerably more racy than Blitzstein's adaptation in the US,
but that particular song survived the Blitzstein translation pretty well.
Unlike some of the others, where "That bordello where we kept house" was
adapted into "That foul 2X4 where we kept house" which for the most part
misses the whole point of the original.

But both the German and Blitzstein versions are very slow, gruff, and
sarcastic. Not much at all like Armstrong's uptempo take on the song.
--scott

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In article <075d21lhohgk0cvmk3jbne72sg5qsmsk9p@4ax.com> chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net writes:

> I let my sweety name all the following cats. She now has fourteen
> indoors and is scrambling for names herself.

Geez, why can't people just have A cat? I can only think of one friend
who has only one cat. All the others either have none (like me) or two
or more. (and, yes, they're fixed so two don't make more)


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Would it be fair enough to observe that the photocopier came long before
digital copying, MP3's, DVD's, etc., etc. and that the book and
magazine industries reacted to it exactly the same way the music
industry reacted to the internet and downloading? Or that the MPAA
reacted to VCR's the same way (and now generate up to 1/3 of their
profits on sales of VHS tapes and DVD's)?

The photocopier comparison is really quite apt. What do books cost
nowadays? And when will people finally look around and make a simple
observation: the sky is not falling.



hank alrich wrote:

> Understood, but the cost of good OCR and the high speed scanner are an
> obstacle to that compared to putting a CD into an everyday computer. And
> if the OCR is going to turn out bit for bit, won't it still need some
> eyes-on time?

 

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Bill Van Dyk <trashtrash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>Would it be fair enough to observe that the photocopier came long before
>digital copying, MP3's, DVD's, etc., etc. and that the book and
>magazine industries reacted to it exactly the same way the music
>industry reacted to the internet and downloading? Or that the MPAA
>reacted to VCR's the same way (and now generate up to 1/3 of their
>profits on sales of VHS tapes and DVD's)?

Yes and no. Photocopiers were a problem at first. Then the legal status
of them got straightend out, and the courts decided what was okay to do with
them and what wasn't okay under the existing copyright legislation.

>The photocopier comparison is really quite apt. What do books cost
>nowadays? And when will people finally look around and make a simple
>observation: the sky is not falling.

If you get a chance, look at "Sony Corporation vs. Universal Studios,"
otherwise known as the Betamax case. The supreme court does a very
good job of laying out both sides of the argument and it is also well
worth reading the dissenting opinion because the minority justices take
on some issues of ownership that the majority wasn't willing to do. It
has been years since I have read the thing but I am sure the full text of
the decision is on the web somewhere.
--scott

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Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <075d21lhohgk0cvmk3jbne72sg5qsmsk9p@4ax.com> chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net writes:
>
>
>> I let my sweety name all the following cats. She now has fourteen
>> indoors and is scrambling for names herself.
>
>
> Geez, why can't people just have A cat? I can only think of one friend
> who has only one cat.


We have only one. He's twice the weight of the average housecat, though.

 

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You talk as if you sincerely believe that the current model, the one
that is threatened by downloading and digital copying, is deserving of
respect and support. Good for you. Not everybody believes that.

Some reasonable people could argue, I suppose, that with all the flaws
in the current system, it could be fixed and could work well.
Personally, I think it is rather corrupt and bloated and inefficient.

One thing that would be nice to hear occasionally from those who really
believe in the RIAA: some candor about supporting the "artists". Either
you believe the innumerable stories of artists getting ripped off and
exploited and cheated (like Tom Petty, Michelle Shocked, Counting Crows,
Byrds, Beatles, etc., etc., etc.) or you don't, but it would take a
remarkable leap of faith to believe that they could be treated any worse
under a new system.

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

>
> I'll be waiting to see your business example put forward in the marketplace.
> Please keep us posted on how the website sales are going and how good
> the reviews are on the records you've produced with your "thrown together"
> digital 'rig'. Whatever you do... DON'T go looking for a middle man.... forget
> all about lawyers, copyrights, promoters, marketing aids, etc.. Tell ANYONE
> that wants to help you, that they've committed crimes on society and can just
> f**k off & die. <g>
>
>