FBI Decapitates LulzSec With Help From Group Leader

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jl0329

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[citation][nom]willard[/nom]It's called the FBI and Interpol. They've had some pretty big busts in the last year or so. The problem with vigilante justice in this area is the evidence is likely inadmissible. You might shut down the site, but none of the people involved get punished. They just set up shop somewhere else.[/citation]

That's why a hacker group would come in handy. They don't need to necessarily "punish" these people. All they need to do is expose all the personal information of every one who purchased/subscribed to the child porn services along with the owners of the sites. These information should be exposed to the public. I am not sure if it's possible from a technical perspective, but I know that those disgusting people would take a 2nd thought if they know their identities and interest in child porn could be exposed to their friends/family.
 

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They did not read the terms and conditions fully before joining the group. In very tiny fine prints, embedded somewhere in the hundred pages of the agreement, it says "when caught, only the leader can snitch to save his own ass".
 

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People need to stop looking at Lulzsec like they were some kind of modern day Robin Hood or something, wether you like the companies they hacked or not they broke several laws and needed to be taken down.

Sabu isn't the first person to switch sides and work for the Government, and won't be the last.
 

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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]People need to stop looking at Lulzsec like they were some kind of modern day Robin Hood or something, wether you like the companies they hacked or not they broke several laws and needed to be taken down.Sabu isn't the first person to switch sides and work for the Government, and won't be the last.[/citation]
You'll find little support for that position here. Tom's is largely populated by, I'm guessing, pissed off teenagers who think corporations are the ultimate evil in the world. You see it constantly in the incessant bitching and moaning about prices and how they're being like, totally unfair by not selling brand new technology at a loss after spending billions to develop it.

It's a culture of entitlement and anger directed at those who dare run a business like a business. They don't realize that a small number of corporations, almost exclusively in the financial sector, are responsible for the economy being in the state it is and instead lump every one of them into a broad category of white collar criminals. They then applaud the efforts of anyone to damage these groups they've decided are criminals, totally ignoring the fact that these damages actually increase the price of goods and divert resources away from efforts that would have made the goods better.

It's an extremely narrow minded worldview that will only be changed with experience and age. I was a teenager once too, and I know what it's like to have the world all figured out, drawn in clear black and white. If you feel like you've been wronged it feels good to see bad things happen to those who you think wronged you.

Doesn't matter that you're angry at the wrong person, or looking to punish the innocent. You just want blood.
 

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[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]Honestly, I haven't seen a single positive outcome from any of these hacks since they started. If anything, the regular everyday person got screwed from the companies and governments they hacked. The ONLY hack that had any positive outcome was the one that disabled Iran's nuclear facilities.The more outrageous hacks people pull off the more governments will turn to tighter forms of control. If you want to live like people do in China where they can't search "Tiananmen Square" in google because it opposes the government, then keep DDOSing under the assumption that you're some hacktivist and you're sticking it to the man.It's inevitable, though. People can't help but screw things up for others. So I guess I'll enjoy the freedom the internet provides for another decade or so before laws get passed that allow the government and ISPs to monitor and control our every move.[/citation]
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[citation][nom]jl0329[/nom]I just wish the hackers would focus their energy on shutting down all child pornography sites/serves first instead of attacking those big corps. If there is a hack group that focus on purging child pornography, I will happily donate $$ for their work.[/citation]
Another version of the article that I read said the "leader" was on public assistance, had no college degree, and no job. IMHO, he should count himself as lucky since he now works for the FBI.

I suspect that the FBI will offer similar positions to the others involved, and perhaps have them target the really evil aspects of the internet like child porn.
 

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[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Another version of the article that I read said the "leader" was on public assistance, had no college degree, and no job. IMHO, he should count himself as lucky since he now works for the FBI.I suspect that the FBI will offer similar positions to the others involved, and perhaps have them target the really evil aspects of the internet like child porn.[/citation]
The government only offers jobs to those with legitimate talent. LulzSec falls squarely outside this area. Only people with no understanding of computer security whatsoever think LulzSec is talented.

DDoS attacks are the training wheels of hacking. These guys just never graduated from them.
 

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[citation][nom]kish20[/nom]Who wouldn't betray their "friends" for a chance to work for the FBI?[/citation]
I don't think it was the chance to work for the FBI that got his cooperation. It was the chance to spend the rest of his life in prison that persuaded him.
 

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[citation][nom]kcorp2003[/nom]Well there's still no the FBI could have find them if it wasn't for this betrayal.[/citation]

Either outright betrayel, or by some shred of luck the FBI had him for one crime, and he bargained his way out of it with this info.
 

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[citation][nom]jfby[/nom]Either outright betrayel, or by some shred of luck the FBI had him for one crime, and he bargained his way out of it with this info.[/citation]
I love how everyone is trying to discredit the FBI here. It's really simple. This guy wasn't a great hacker and committed some high profile attacks. The FBI had little trouble tracking him down, and this guy sang like a canary to stay out of prison.

Trying to fit the events to the idea that these people were world class hackers is the problem. They simply aren't good hackers. Sorry kids, your heroes are a bunch of untalented twats who are going to prison. They aren't useful to the government beyond placing their heads on proverbial pikes.

LulzSec played with fire, and they got burned. Have fun spending the next couple decades in prison. Hope the lulz were worth it.
 

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[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I love how everyone is trying to discredit the FBI here. It's really simple. This guy wasn't a great hacker and committed some high profile attacks. The FBI had little trouble tracking him down, and this guy sang like a canary to stay out of prison.Trying to fit the events to the idea that these people were world class hackers is the problem. They simply aren't good hackers. Sorry kids, your heroes are a bunch of untalented twats who are going to prison. They aren't useful to the government beyond placing their heads on proverbial pikes.LulzSec played with fire, and they got burned. Have fun spending the next couple decades in prison. Hope the lulz were worth it.[/citation]

I wasn't trying to say the FBI didn't know their stuff, but I'm sure when they caught him, however they did it, he sang like a bird.

At the same time the US Government authorities aren't all powerful as I'm sure there are many other high profile targets that have been tracked for decades they couldn't find.
 

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[citation][nom]jfby[/nom]At the same time the US Government authorities aren't all powerful as I'm sure there are many other high profile targets that have been tracked for decades they couldn't find.[/citation]
Never said they were all powerful, and this actually illustrates my point.

Competent hackers can elude the FBI. Sabu is not a competent hacker, and could not.
 

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[citation][nom]jl0329[/nom]I just wish the hackers would focus their energy on shutting down all child pornography sites/serves first instead of attacking those big corps. If there is a hack group that focus on purging child pornography, I will happily donate $$ for their work.To quote the movie Office Space: "How are these stupid neanderthal Mafia guys so good at crime and we try it once and suck so badly at it?"[/citation]

Anonymous actually hacked into a child porn site and released the logs of people who logged in and downloaded photos and videos, I don't have any links to it, I'll post some if I can find them.

 

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I guarantee anyone here would sell out their "friends" to avoid a lengthy prison sentence. The FBI comes to you and tells you that you are either going to jail for a very long time or you are going to help them out and work to turn in your accomplices. The choice is obvious especially when these are just random people online in other countries.
 

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bit late with the story comrade, this already happened this past summer i believe it was, this is just the list of names from the court record that were finally made public.
you don't think anon has been awful quiet staying as low profile and obscure as they can get for the last year, they already knew this right after it happened..
Court documents unsealed Tuesday revealed charges against six individuals in Europe and the United States and showed the clash between law enforcement and Internet hackers, a group of worldwide computer enthusiasts already threatening to retaliate......
Court records show he agreed to cooperate during an August plea proceeding and testify against others......
At the center was the legendary hacker known as "Sabu," who when he was arrested last June was identified as Hector Xavier Monsegur, 28, a self-taught, unemployed computer programmer with no college education. Authorities said his cooperation has helped to prevent more than 300 Internet attacks.

Authorities said he was living on welfare in public housing in New York as he carried out crimes that made him a hero to some in cyberspace until he made a rookie mistake — he posted something online without cloaking his IP address, or computer identity — and someone tipped off the FBI.

pretty sad when yahoo out scoops toms on this non tech news almost an entire day before.
http://news.yahoo.com/hackers-busted-1-becomes-fbi-informant-073520022.html
 
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