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killerclick

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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Is that directed at me? You didn't put in who you were replying to.[/citation]

Sorry, I mixed you up with that regulus guy from the first page. On the forums there is the word 'regular' under your nickname so I screwed up, sorry. :)
 

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For all we know, Obama was 100% genuine in his political campaign and was informed after becoming president that it doesn't work that way. You never know.
 

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[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Sorry, I mixed you up with that regulus guy from the first page. On the forums there is the word 'regular' under your nickname so I screwed up, sorry.[/citation]
No problem :)
 

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TA152H, Socialism is an economic system, but it also has enormous political ramifications, as any and all economic systems do. Pretending that it's not at all political and is purely economic is just as bad as thinking that anyone in mainstream US politics right now is in any way Socialist.

You're really not painting a very flattering picture of yourself by defending the Nazis and espousing the great points of totalitarianism, by the way. And yes, based on their actions as a collective whole the Nazis were most definitely Xenophobic; you do remember that whole Holocaust thing, right? And the annexation of Austria certainly wasn't a reclamation of a pre-WWI German territory, but you seem to be ignoring that.
 

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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Pro choice: yesPro gay: Lol. Well I am gay, so yesPro flag burning: Personally I don't agree with it, but I see no real reason to prohibit it (ie it's not actually causing harm to anyone or anyone's property other than the person who got the flag for that purpose).Gun ownership: This one is a tricky subject no matter what side you are on. Primarily I feel that the government should make sure those who want to own a gun are mentally stable (no psycho killers, please) and haven't committed violent crimes in the past. There are other conditions such as not allowing guns near public places where there are children (ie schools, amusement parks, etc). Having a gun for recreation/self protection is perfectly fine with me. For those who are paranoid about the government: do you really think you would stand a chance against the military or a swat team if they actually were after you? I mean, come on. One guy vs a swat team or even a sniper? Unrealistic to the extreme.[/citation]

On a militia level? Definitively.
 

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[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]On a militia level? Definitively.[/citation]
Yeah, militia vs swat team or militia vs tank/drone. That'll work *eye roll*
 

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[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Nazis were no more socialist than the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.And the Nazis are hated not because they were left or right wing or conservative or liberal, rather because of their militarism, nationalism, racism and xenophobia, that caused them to start illegal wars and prosecute minorities. Sound familiar?[/citation]

the nazi party before it became known as the nazi's to all of us were called "the national socialist party". Hitler and stalin were buddy buddy before hitler invaded russia then stalin started "working" with the allies even though he was really only working against hitler. Hitler even said that the red on the nazi flag was to "attract socialists"... you know... the 'reds'. Geoebbels also said that he learned propaganda from US ... the USA! During world war 1 he said that germany lost the war because they lost the propaganda war first. Who was president during ww1? Woodrow Wilson! The president who imprisoned people who said things about america he didnt like, gave us the 16th and 17th amendments, and pushed for "progress" away from the constitution and the founding fathers. Please go read the original material rather than revised history from houghlin mifflin.
 

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[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]On a militia level? Definitively.[/citation]
Here's a hint. They greatly out number you, they have access to the best technology, they have deeper pockets than anyone (huge deficit spending for this entire war, might I add), and they have a lot of good tacticians.
 

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[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]On a militia level? Definitively.[/citation]

I agree. I see it happen all the time on the TV show "Cops".

Oh wait....
 

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[citation][nom]ltgrunt[/nom]Pretending that it's not at all political and is purely economic is just as bad as thinking that anyone in mainstream US politics right now is in any way Socialist.[/citation]

I have to take issue with this statement. Bernard sanders from vermont is an avowed socialst and hes a state representative. There are several openly communist people serving as czars under obama as well. Then there's the "progressive caucus" in the house... go do some research on the progressives. They are pushing for socialism openly just incrementally through one piece of legislation at a time.
 

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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]I agree with part of this. The government should for the most part stay out of people's lives (violent crimes, theft, etc being exceptions), but they should prevent (aka regulate) corperations from abusing people (workers and customers) and resources (evironmental ie. BP oil spill, economic ie. the big banks, etc).That's my rather simplified views. I'm not going to go on a huge rant about stuff, just want to keep it simple and basic.[/citation]

BP oil spill was due to government regulation.

Is it easier to fix a blown out well on land or in 5000' of water?

Is it cheaper to get oil on land or from 5000' of water?

Why did BP have to drill in 5000' of water?

Answer: the government, prodded by the environmentalists, wouldn't let anyone drill on land for fear of "pollution." Let's see your pollution now.
 

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I'll give you Bernie, Shinobi, but that's being generous given that he platforms Independent and identifies himself as a Democratic Socialist, which is itself a far cry from proper Socialism.

And no, there are no Communists in mainstream US politics right now; Communism demands fast, violent revolution against political, social and economic elites. Ignoring everything else against the "Communists" argument, these people cannot be Communists for the simple reason that they are working within the system to accomplish goals, while the Communist ideal is to basically destroy the system and build something new, a was the case with Soviet Russia.

As for the allegation that progressives are Socialist, that simply falls in line with the "calling things Socialist when one doesn't know what Socialism really is" category. Considering the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive - back before the Progressive Party was called the Bull-Moose Party - it's a hard call to align Progressives with Socialists.
 

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Also, Shinobi, it is well known that The Nazis used Socialist terminology and symbols to attract dissatisfied and disenfranchised citizens who would have otherwise gravitated toward actual Socialist groups. It is also well known that the Nazis were not actually Socialist.

And what do the Amendments providing for income tax and direct election of Senators have to do with Woodrow Wilson and Nazis? Something tells me that in your zeal to avoid mainstream history you may have gotten some bad information.
 

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[citation][nom]shin0bi272[/nom]the nazi party before it became known as the nazi's to all of us were called "the national socialist party".[/citation]

Yeah, and North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The name itself doesn't mean anything. It's pointless to compare Republicans or Democrats in the US to Nazis, there is simply no comparison. Nazis had one-of-a-kind ideology and the reason they're so despised isn't their extreme right (or left) wing ideas but their xenophobia/racism, militarism, expansionism... which led to the murder of millions of jews, gypsies, gays, communists and others.

As for Obama, he may be slightly left-leaning but he's no socialist. Bernie Sanders is socialist but so what? I don't get where all the histeria about socialism is coming from anyway. Socialism gave us the 40 hour work week, paid vacations, health insurance, maternity leave and the minimum wage... also social security and medicare in the US. Because of socialism, we don't have 10 year old children working 12 hour shifts at the coal mine.
 

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[citation][nom]chickenhoagie[/nom]Wow. lets all be cool and talk politics and argue about which president is better now. *fart on that*who cares.[/citation]
Get that big rick out of your ssa & look around.
 

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As if I didn't have enough reasons already to never, ever, ever use facebook I hear that this dork is now on it. If facebook every had any slightest chance I might have joined it this would have crushed it in an instant.
 

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[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]So you're pro choice, pro gay marriage and pro flag burning? Or does government staying out of people's lives just apply to gun ownership?[/citation]

Yes, leave it up to the states. No not you, you want the FED in every part of your life. The only part you don't is if you want to kill a baby or letting another man put is stuff in butt. All I hear Pro-choice say is STAY OUT OF MY WOMB, IT"S MY BODY I DO WHAT I WANT. Well what about the new heath care bill your boy obama sign. Now the FED has permissions to tell you what you can do & not do with your body. You guys are so smart.
 

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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Pro choice: yesPro gay: Lol. Well I am gay, so yesPro flag burning: Personally I don't agree with it, but I see no real reason to prohibit it (ie it's not actually causing harm to anyone or anyone's property other than the person who got the flag for that purpose).Gun ownership: This one is a tricky subject no matter what side you are on. Primarily I feel that the government should make sure those who want to own a gun are mentally stable (no psycho killers, please) and haven't committed violent crimes in the past. There are other conditions such as not allowing guns near public places where there are children (ie schools, amusement parks, etc). Having a gun for recreation/self protection is perfectly fine with me. For those who are paranoid about the government: do you really think you would stand a chance against the military or a swat team if they actually were after you? I mean, come on. One guy vs a swat team or even a sniper? Unrealistic to the extreme.[/citation]


you seem to forget Ruby Ridge. In light of who is in charge, I think i will be keeping MRE's, Guns, ammo and my freedom.
 
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