Googler Wants Error 451 for Government Censorship

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JeTJL

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So Ironic, but it's way much better than the red fbi warning thing that looks like it was straight out of a vhs from the 1980s. Make it clean and simple.
 

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thing is its not government lead, its corporate lead and government implemented. governments are currently elected by corporations in the u.s and the rest of the west, the uk in particular tend to follow what the u.s government do. when corporations are removed from the equation as they hopefully will be soon, governments can get back to working for the people by the people. government is meant to work for us not corporations so get them out of politics like they did with the church. and we can get back to open discussion and freedom to speak our minds.


 

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[citation][nom]HEXiT[/nom]thing is its not government lead, its corporate lead and government implemented. governments are currently elected by corporations in the u.s and the rest of the west, the uk in particular tend to follow what the u.s government do. when corporations are removed from the equation as they hopefully will be soon, governments can get back to working for the people by the people. government is meant to work for us not corporations so get them out of politics like they did with the church. and we can get back to open discussion and freedom to speak our minds.[/citation]
Wrong. I will sum up my response with a few words; Power makes everyone go mad.
 

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"the number '451' is inappropriate for technical reasons" i am not a web guru so what are the technical reasons why it cant be used? Just in case anyone else was wondering also i think they should be more intune with the audience who is not intune with the politics of the Internet. From what i just googled error 451 is used in many applications among which are e-mail, yahoo error codes, SQL Database error and novell program error codes. But in this short and brief Google search of error code 451 i found no 451 search result error code so what reason could they have to use it for so many others but not search results?
 

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[citation][nom]yumri4[/nom]"the number '451' is inappropriate for technical reasons" i am not a web guru so what are the technical reasons why it cant be used? Just in case anyone else was wondering also i think they should be more intune with the audience who is not intune with the politics of the Internet. From what i just googled error 451 is used in many applications among which are e-mail, yahoo error codes, SQL Database error and novell program error codes. But in this short and brief Google search of error code 451 i found no 451 search result error code so what reason could they have to use it for so many others but not search results?[/citation]

Nor are you an English guru, you paraphrased the text out of context put the word "If" in front of what you quoted and it changes the entire meaning.
 

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[citation][nom]azgard[/nom]Nor are you an English guru, you paraphrased the text out of context put the word "If" in front of what you quoted and it changes the entire meaning.[/citation]
You probably should have put a semi-colon after "context", or at least a comma.
 

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[citation][nom]yumri4[/nom]"the number '451' is inappropriate for technical reasons" i am not a web guru so what are the technical reasons why it cant be used? Just in case anyone else was wondering also i think they should be more intune with the audience who is not intune with the politics of the Internet. From what i just googled error 451 is used in many applications among which are e-mail, yahoo error codes, SQL Database error and novell program error codes. But in this short and brief Google search of error code 451 i found no 451 search result error code so what reason could they have to use it for so many others but not search results?[/citation]
There may be error codes of 451 for other things, but there is currently no error 451 in HTTP, which is the type of error code a web page would produce. The 400s go up to 417, and then skip up to 500. So, we're in the clear.
 

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I love how the argument goes on about what the error code should be, when government blocks something, - instead of why the government is blocking anything....
anyone else think thats crazy?

I didnt think so... /facepalm/facepalm
 

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Seems like Google's busy spinning a lot of censorship-related stories for the media this past week. This is already at least the third "news" on this topic. Wonder if Google's up to something else and they want to cover something up.

Also, keep in mind Google is *the* authority to be wary of regarding your information...
 

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The term 'Censorship' should be broadened to classify types, such as is done for sins where we have those of 'Commission' (e.g., "This is how you build a high-yield nuclear weapon in your kitchen sink...") vs. those of 'Omission' (e.g., "We shouldn't screen newborns for Krabbe disease, as the results of the screening cause more harm than good"). I'm not passing any judgement on either of these examples, BTW. However, by extension, it would be amusing to see a search result that says: "Information not collected for public safety reasons".
 

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There may be error codes of 451 for other things, but there is currently no error 451 in HTTP, which is the type of error code a web page would produce. The 400s go up to 417, and then skip up to 500. So, we're in the clear.
HTTP response codes are broken into groups. 4xx codes (such as 404) are technically client errors. I say technically because it really isn't a client error if it requests a link that the server just returned to it and that's broken. But it's a somewhat hard sell to say that requesting a censored page is a client error.
 

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And who is in charge, has been for over three years now and we have this censorship being drastically increased? Oh yes, the fascist loving liberals. If you don't agree with their viewpoint then you will be silenced.
 

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[citation][nom]demarest[/nom]Instead of trying to find a way to censor free speech in an entertaining manner, I'd prefer to see trying to find ways to avoid censoring free speech at all. Fear the government that fears your _____. Of the people indeed.[/citation]
This is another way to fight censorship. It lets you actually know that you are being censored instead of just saying that something doesn't exist. There are forms of censorship that most people find acceptable (child porn is the classic example).

The problem I see with this is that it relies on the censoring system's compliance. I'm not sure where the primary method of censorship takes place (ISPs?), but the majority of parties involved would need to comply with this to make it truly effective.

It could also be against the law in some countries to say that a request was censored (i.e. the information that something is censored is itself censored). For example, say that news of an assassination attempt on a Chinese political figure is censored, telling people that it was censored is close to actually telling people that it happened. I'm not sure if this is the case currently, but I can definitely see it becoming an issue.
 
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