HD Tivo: is there any of archiving shows?

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I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only way
I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is to
keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate problem,
as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV Tivos.
Anyone?

 

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Z Man wrote:
> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only way
> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is to
> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate problem,
> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV Tivos.
> Anyone?

I think you're basically correct, for all practical purposes. There are
two alternatives, however, though neither may be attractive to you:

- Hack the box and pull the shows off over the network to your computer
(can you do that with HD shows? I'm not sure, but I'd guess yes).

- Record using an HD VCR. But those are rare and *very* expensive.

Randy S.

 

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In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only way
> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is to
> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate problem,
> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV Tivos.
> Anyone?

You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
shows.

www.weaknees.com

 

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"Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> writes:
>Z Man wrote:
>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only way
>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is to
>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate problem,
>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV Tivos.
>> Anyone?

>I think you're basically correct, for all practical purposes. There are
>two alternatives, however, though neither may be attractive to you:

>- Hack the box and pull the shows off over the network to your computer
>(can you do that with HD shows? I'm not sure, but I'd guess yes).

>- Record using an HD VCR. But those are rare and *very* expensive.

Not so expensive, you can get the older JVC for around $300-$400.
BUT, all DVHS boxes require to get the data via Firewire. The HDTivo
box doesn't have a firewire port.

DVD's aren't HD, so your only choices are computer or DVHS anyway. The
computer media center solution is probably best right now if you can
hack it and get the data off.

 

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>>- Record using an HD VCR. But those are rare and *very* expensive.
>
>
> Not so expensive, you can get the older JVC for around $300-$400.
> BUT, all DVHS boxes require to get the data via Firewire. The HDTivo
> box doesn't have a firewire port.

Good point, thanks.

 

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In article <jackzwick-E295C0.06355429062005@newssvr11-ext.news.prodigy.com>, Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only way
>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is to
>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate problem,
>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV Tivos.
>> Anyone?
>
>You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
>shows.
>
>www.weaknees.com
This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and its
only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1 full
bitrate and PCM.

 

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> This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
> much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and its
> only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1 full
> bitrate and PCM.

Not a bad idea, though remember it still isn't in HD.

Randy S.

 

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In article <d9uiko$q32$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>, "Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
>> much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and its
>
>> only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1 full
>> bitrate and PCM.
>
>Not a bad idea, though remember it still isn't in HD.
>
>Randy S.
The Eagles concert that was broadcast wasnt true HD either, it was upsampled


You are missing 2/3 of the concert on the broadcast version. There are 30
songs on the DVD version.

 

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GMAN wrote:
> In article <d9uiko$q32$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>, "Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
>>>much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and its
>>
>>>only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1 full
>>>bitrate and PCM.
>>
>>Not a bad idea, though remember it still isn't in HD.
>>
>>Randy S.
>
> The Eagles concert that was broadcast wasnt true HD either, it was upsampled
>
>
> You are missing 2/3 of the concert on the broadcast version. There are 30
> songs on the DVD version.

Ah, I did not know that!

Randy S.

 

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"Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>Z Man wrote:
>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only
>> way I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound,
>> is to keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate
>> problem, as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently,
>> but I will eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option
>> will be to either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional
>> HDTV Tivos. Anyone?
>
> I think you're basically correct, for all practical purposes. There are
> two alternatives, however, though neither may be attractive to you:
>
> - Hack the box and pull the shows off over the network to your computer
> (can you do that with HD shows? I'm not sure, but I'd guess yes).

If it does work on the HD-TiVo, it probably won't work in "this" case as
part of the hack for transferrring shows (last I read through the hack
documents, so some of this may have changed) requires turning off encryption
so that shows recorded from then on will be transferable.

> - Record using an HD VCR. But those are rare and *very* expensive.
>
> Randy S.

 

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"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <jackzwick-E295C0.06355429062005@newssvr11-ext.news.prodigy.com>, Jack
> Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only
>>> way
>>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is
>>> to
>>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate
>>> problem,
>>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
>>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
>>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV
>>> Tivos.
>>> Anyone?
>>
>>You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
>>shows.
>>
>>www.weaknees.com
> This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
> much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and
> its
> only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1
> full
> bitrate and PCM.

I do have the Eagles DTS DVD, and it is great. I would also like to retain
the live concert. Live concerts are kind of nice, although not as polished
as the studio version.

 

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"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only
>> way
>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is
>> to
>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate
>> problem,
>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV
>> Tivos.
>> Anyone?
>
> You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
> shows.

That would appear to be a reasonable alternative, but raises a few question:
Will a second hard drive fit inside the case, or would I use an external?
How would I determine on which hard drive a particular show appears? Or,
would I install a fresh hard drive, and then remove the one with my shows?
What about the operating system...I would need to install it on the new hard
drive if I remove the old one, and I would imagine it is proprietary.

Could I mount the hard drive with my shows in my PC, either internally or
externally? What format would the shows be in? I look forward to the
introduction of HD DVD's. If I could warehouse these shows for 6 months to a
year, I could archive them on HD DVD's, assuming they are stored in (or can
be converted to) a compatible format that I could eventually burn to a DVD.

 

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In article <itIwe.7511$2Z3.7195@fe10.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
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>> In article
>> <jackzwick-E295C0.06355429062005@newssvr11-ext.news.prodigy.com>, Jack
>> Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>>>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the only
>>>> way
>>>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound, is
>>>> to
>>>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate
>>>> problem,
>>>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I will
>>>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be to
>>>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV
>>>> Tivos.
>>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>>You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
>>>shows.
>>>
>>>www.weaknees.com
>> This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ? Its
>> much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV and
>> its
>> only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1
>> full
>> bitrate and PCM.
>
>I do have the Eagles DTS DVD, and it is great. I would also like to retain
>the live concert. Live concerts are kind of nice, although not as polished
>as the studio version.
>
>
But the so called NBC/BRAVO concert was not live. It was an edited down,
changed,modified version of the 30 song Live in melbourn concert. It was not
being showed as it happened in melbourn.

 

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"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> In article <itIwe.7511$2Z3.7195@fe10.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
>>news:d9uhld$qt5$1@news.xmission.com...
>>> In article
>>> <jackzwick-E295C0.06355429062005@newssvr11-ext.news.prodigy.com>, Jack
>>> Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <Qkowe.3136$t07.835@fe12.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of shows I watch all the time, such as the finale of
>>>>> American Idol, and the Eagles live concert. Best as I can tell, the
>>>>> only
>>>>> way
>>>>> I can retain these shows with full HDTV resolution, and DD5.1 sound,
>>>>> is
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep them on the Tivo. Is that correct? I don't have an immediate
>>>>> problem,
>>>>> as these are the only two shows I wish to retain permanently, but I
>>>>> will
>>>>> eventually fill up my Tivo, and at that point my only option will be
>>>>> to
>>>>> either erase some of my content, or buy one or more additional HDTV
>>>>> Tivos.
>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>
>>>>You can also add a 2nd hard drive, which will keep your already recorded
>>>>shows.
>>>>
>>>>www.weaknees.com
>>> This is for the OP, why not just go buy the full Eagles concert DVD ?
>>> Its
>>> much better quality than the cut up version they showed on network TV
>>> and
>>> its
>>> only $17 at places like Target and Best Buy. The Eagles DVD has DTS 5.1
>>> full
>>> bitrate and PCM.
>>
>>I do have the Eagles DTS DVD, and it is great. I would also like to retain
>>the live concert. Live concerts are kind of nice, although not as polished
>>as the studio version.
>>
>>
> But the so called NBC/BRAVO concert was not live. It was an edited down,
> changed,modified version of the 30 song Live in melbourn concert. It was
> not
> being showed as it happened in melbourn.

Well, I feel kind of foolish, I actually thought 'live' meant live, as it is
happening, real time, etc. I hope you're not going to tell me that my other
favorite Tivo recording, the live grand finale of American Idol, was an
edited down, changed, modified version...

 

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> That would appear to be a reasonable alternative, but raises a few
question:

Search for "hinsdale tivo faq" and read all about how to upgrade Tivo
devices.

> Will a second hard drive fit inside the case, or would I use an external?

Inside only, externals are not supported. When a drive is added it's
"Married" to the existing one. They're not separable. Thus you cannot use
an external that could be removed. So which drive it's on becomes
irrelevant. It's all the same "free space" as far at the Tivo is concerned.
Adding a drive is pretty trivial, buy a bracket from someone like
weaknees.com, a drive from whatever box store suits you, and then use a PC
to twiddle some magic bits on the drives before stuffing them back into the
Tivo. On average it takes about an hour to do it. Most of the time's spent
on reading the instructions. It's easy if you're someone that's
comformtable putting a replacement drive in a PC.

> Could I mount the hard drive with my shows in my PC, either internally or
> externally?

No, the drive's not removable. It's possible to hack the OS on the Tivo to
let you pull files off it via a USB network interface.

> I look forward to the
> introduction of HD DVD's. If I could warehouse these shows for 6 months to
a
> year, I could archive them on HD DVD's, assuming they are stored in (or
can
> be converted to) a compatible format that I could eventually burn to a
DVD.

When you have a dual tuner DirecTivo it's not as likely you'll want to
bother archiving. Most shows come up in rotation often enough that if
you've got a pair of big drives you don't run out of space. Just setup a
wishlist or season pass and record 'em to the hard drives and forget about
archiving. YES, you can use the various network hacks to pull the programs
off the drive but I'm finding it's really not worth all the trouble. YMMV,
of course.

-Bill Kearney

 

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"Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>- Record using an HD VCR. But those are rare and *very* expensive.
>>
>>
>> Not so expensive, you can get the older JVC for around $300-$400. BUT, all
>> DVHS boxes require to get the data via Firewire. The HDTivo
>> box doesn't have a firewire port.
>
> Good point, thanks.

And no forseeable HDTivo is likely to, because the Firewire port can only
carry compressed content, so to output the menus and other dynamic content
(guide overlays and such) would require the box to have an HD encoder inside.
Those aren't affordable today, and probably won't be for several years.

Ken

 

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In article <i5udnX3CS7jJZV7fRVn-uQ@speakeasy.net>,
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > That would appear to be a reasonable alternative, but raises a few
> question:
>
> Search for "hinsdale tivo faq" and read all about how to upgrade Tivo
> devices.
>
> > Will a second hard drive fit inside the case, or would I use an external?
>
> Inside only, externals are not supported. When a drive is added it's
> "Married" to the existing one. They're not separable. Thus you cannot use
> an external that could be removed. So which drive it's on becomes
> irrelevant. It's all the same "free space" as far at the Tivo is concerned.
> Adding a drive is pretty trivial, buy a bracket from someone like
> weaknees.com, a drive from whatever box store suits you, and then use a PC
> to twiddle some magic bits on the drives before stuffing them back into the
> Tivo. On average it takes about an hour to do it. Most of the time's spent
> on reading the instructions. It's easy if you're someone that's
> comformtable putting a replacement drive in a PC.
>
> > Could I mount the hard drive with my shows in my PC, either internally or
> > externally?
>
> No, the drive's not removable. It's possible to hack the OS on the Tivo to
> let you pull files off it via a USB network interface.
>
> > I look forward to the
> > introduction of HD DVD's. If I could warehouse these shows for 6 months to
> a
> > year, I could archive them on HD DVD's, assuming they are stored in (or
> can
> > be converted to) a compatible format that I could eventually burn to a
> DVD.
>
> When you have a dual tuner DirecTivo it's not as likely you'll want to
> bother archiving. Most shows come up in rotation often enough that if
> you've got a pair of big drives you don't run out of space. Just setup a
> wishlist or season pass and record 'em to the hard drives and forget about
> archiving. YES, you can use the various network hacks to pull the programs
> off the drive but I'm finding it's really not worth all the trouble. YMMV,
> of course.
>
> -Bill Kearney

http/tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php

Instructions are much easier to follow for most people.

 

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In article <YdQwe.12292$Q05.7691@fe08.lga>, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> > But the so called NBC/BRAVO concert was not live. It was an edited down,
> > changed,modified version of the 30 song Live in melbourn concert. It was
> > not
> > being showed as it happened in melbourn.
>
> Well, I feel kind of foolish, I actually thought 'live' meant live, as it is
> happening, real time, etc. I hope you're not going to tell me that my other
> favorite Tivo recording, the live grand finale of American Idol, was an
> edited down, changed, modified version...

Apparently Bravo meant performed Live as opposed to in studio.

 

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wkearney99 seemed to utter in news:i5udnX3CS7jJZV7fRVn-uQ@speakeasy.net:

>> Will a second hard drive fit inside the case, or would I use an
>> external?
>
> Inside only, externals are not supported. When a drive is added it's
> "Married" to the existing one. They're not separable. Thus you cannot
> use an external that could be removed. So which drive it's on becomes
> irrelevant. It's all the same "free space" as far at the Tivo is
> concerned. Adding a drive is pretty trivial, buy a bracket from someone
> like weaknees.com, a drive from whatever box store suits you, and then
> use a PC to twiddle some magic bits on the drives before stuffing them
> back into the Tivo. On average it takes about an hour to do it. Most
> of the time's spent on reading the instructions. It's easy if you're
> someone that's comformtable putting a replacement drive in a PC.

I'm a computing professional and have built and upgraded many
PCs. I have added additional hard drives to three TiVos -
one SA and two DirecTiVos. I have never been able to add a
drive in less than one hour. If you include pulling out your
PC and pulling out its drives, opening up the TiVo, moving
drives to the PC, testing the backup images, and retaining
your existing recordings on the TiVo, it will easily take over
two hours. I still think its the ideal way to add space to
your TiVo, but let's not soft-sell it.

-- TRW
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wkearney99 (wkearney99@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> When you have a dual tuner DirecTivo it's not as likely you'll want to
> bother archiving. Most shows come up in rotation often enough that if
> you've got a pair of big drives you don't run out of space.

Since the OP is taking about the HD DirecTiVo, it's not hard to run out
of space even with a pair of 300GB drives...that's only 72 hours of HDTV.
It's a lot, sure, but it's nothing compared to the 200+ hours of SD that a
single 250GB drive gives you.

Also, the great thing about archiving HDTV recordings is that even the "HD
lite" that DirecTV gives us is still amazing compared to any SD DirecTV
channel.

--
Jeff Rife | "Because he was human; because he had goodness;
| because he was moral they called him insane.
| Delusions of grandeur; visions of splendor;
| A manic-depressive, he walks in the rain."
| -- Rush, "Cinderella Man"