Hi-Definition laserdiscs

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<<You do have a 5.1 input zone, right ?>>

Yes.

<<Do you have a manual, have you tried to find the answer in it ?>>

I haven't consulted the manual, although I'm curious as to wether the
receiver should handle an incoming MUSE audio signal differently than
it would a multi-channel DVD or DVD-A signal, which is what the manual
will probably pertain to. Nonetheless, I'll dig it up and take a look.

 

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<<There is a mode usually called something like "external direct">>

My reciever just has a mode called "Direct" that will simply amplify
the incomign source without doing any processing work other than the
D/A conversion. But now I have no idea if it applies to the analog
6-channel inputs. I'll need to consult the manual.

 

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Your receiver has no way to know the source of the analog 5.1 signal it
is being fed, obviously. The whole point of a 6 channel input is
precisely to to be compatible with all sources. Some early AC-3
decoders for example had 5.1 channels analog out, instead of a 5.1
digital out, because at the time the amps did not have dolby digital
decoding capability. There are likely other applications where the 6
channels input of a receiver can be put to use.

 

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"Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<One simple and effective way is to connect the 5 analog discrete
> outputs of the decoder to the amp's 5.1 input zone, leaving .1
> empty.>>
>
> So how do I get audio for the LFE channel?

The obvious answer is that the MUSE audio format does not have a
dedicated .1 LFE channel. The bass will be mixed into the other
channels.

> And what audio mode should a
> reciever be in when running a MUSE disc, Pro-Logic?

If you're using the 6-channel analog inputs on the receiver, you bypass
the receiver's decoding and processing.

 

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I tried connecting the front right and left channel outputs from the
connectors on my DVD player to the front right and left inputs on my
reciever (and yes, I made sure I was using the multi-channel connectors
and not the standard stereo outputs). I get sound through the front
speakers, but I can't control the volume of the sound. Regardless of if
I have the unit set to -60 or +15, the volume is constant when running
with these inputs. When I go back to my toslink connection, everything
works normally and I can adjust the volume, I don't get it.

 

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<<What model stereo are you using exactly?>>
A Denon AVR-2803. But I figured out the problem, thanks anyway.

 

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Yeah, your analog 6-channel inputs will ALWAYS bypass the digital signal
processor(s) - Never seen a receiver that doesn't.

 

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You are correct about the AC-3 RF on the X9 for AC-3 encoded NTSC LD's. But
there is a totally separate board that the handles the HiVision and output a
MUSE signal to the MUSE decoder. As noted in other responses, MUSE does not
have an AC-3 signal.

Kurtis

"Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<I've never seen a HiVision LD with a separate AC-3 soundtrack.>>
>
> I didn't know if they had AC-3, but I was under the impression that
> the X9 had an RF output for standard NTSC discs.
>
> <<HiVision has
> its own multi-channel Audio encoding that is decoded in the MUSE
> decoder.>>
>
> Interesting...how many speakers does this format support, and in what
> configuration? Once the decoder decodes this special soundtrack, how
> should a reciever handle it (pro-logic mode, stereo mode, etc...)? Can
> the decoder be connected to a reciever via coaxial or toslink?
>

 

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What model stereo are you using exactly?

 

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"Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<Josh is correct. Another way is to have the 4 outputs of the MUSE
> decoder sent to an external Dolby processor with such input and let
> the
> processor make a 5.1 out of it, send this to the amp.>>
>
> The Denon I'm currently using is an integrated processor and
> multi-channel amp, it's all in one unit. It has 6-channel analog
> inputs
> on the back, which is what (I think) I'd need to use with the MUSE
> decoder. What I'm not understanding is what "Mode" the reciever should
> be set to when watching a MUSE movie. I can set it to Pro-Logic mode,
> which auto detects Pro-Logic, Dolby Digital or DTS signals and
> switches
> itself accordingly, or I can set it for Stereo, "Direct", "5-Channel
> Stereo" or any of several simulation modes such as Rock Concert and
> Video Game. If I were feeding it with a MUSE decoder, I assume that I
> would need it set to either Pro-Logic or "Direct" and I'm curious as
> to
> where it should be set.

None of those "modes" apply to the 6-channel analog input. They are all
bypassed and the receiver functions only as an amplifier. When you use
this type of input, you do all of your decoding and processing
externally.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-BITE-ME.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1105324580.300862.208530@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > <<Josh is correct. Another way is to have the 4 outputs of the MUSE
> > decoder sent to an external Dolby processor with such input and let
> > the
> > processor make a 5.1 out of it, send this to the amp.>>
> >
> > The Denon I'm currently using is an integrated processor and
> > multi-channel amp, it's all in one unit. It has 6-channel analog
> > inputs
> > on the back, which is what (I think) I'd need to use with the MUSE
> > decoder. What I'm not understanding is what "Mode" the reciever should
> > be set to when watching a MUSE movie. I can set it to Pro-Logic mode,
> > which auto detects Pro-Logic, Dolby Digital or DTS signals and
> > switches
> > itself accordingly, or I can set it for Stereo, "Direct", "5-Channel
> > Stereo" or any of several simulation modes such as Rock Concert and
> > Video Game. If I were feeding it with a MUSE decoder, I assume that I
> > would need it set to either Pro-Logic or "Direct" and I'm curious as
> > to
> > where it should be set.
>
> None of those "modes" apply to the 6-channel analog input. They are all
> bypassed and the receiver functions only as an amplifier. When you use
> this type of input, you do all of your decoding and processing
> externally.
>
>
There is a mode usually called something like "external direct", or
"external pass-thru", in fact many newer pre/pros and/or receivers actually
have a dedicated remote button.

 

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"Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I tried connecting the front right and left channel outputs from the
> connectors on my DVD player to the front right and left inputs on my
> reciever (and yes, I made sure I was using the multi-channel
> connectors
> and not the standard stereo outputs). I get sound through the front
> speakers,

The 6-channel analog inputs work as direct pathways to the corresponding
speakers for each RCA jack. If you plug a cable into the Front Left
jack, signal gets sent to the Front Left speaker and only the Front Left
speaker. Likewise with the Front Right, etc. This is why ProLogic and
other types of decoding are bypassed. With these inputs you should be
connecting all 6 and doing your decoding externally. The external
decoder will decide which sounds go to which speakers, not the receiver.

> but I can't control the volume of the sound. Regardless of if
> I have the unit set to -60 or +15, the volume is constant when running
> with these inputs. When I go back to my toslink connection, everything
> works normally and I can adjust the volume, I don't get it.

Your master volume should be the only control that still works. This
works fine on my Denon 3803.

 

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Oh, you finally found out that to change volume you have to turn the
big knob ?

 

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<<Oh, you finally found out that to change volume you have to turn the
big knob ?>>

No, I found out that is was a bad connection. Nice attempt at humor
though.