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Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>You've posted that you do not own a replay. You have no use experience.
I don't own one, but I have used them. I know people who own them,
I've also read the RTV documentation, more than most RTV users
probably have.
>In continual posts to THIS forum your basic line is, "No, Tivo can't do
>this, no Tivo can't do that, No, but they planning to....., BUT DNNA can
>remove those features whenever they choose."
Really? What posts have you been reading anyway? You have an
interesting reality filter.
Actually, if anything, I'm probably guilty of saying "RTV doesn't do
that, TiVo does..." or "Why can't RTV handle that, TiVo can". I try
not to, but I know I do sometimes.
>No but pontificating about something you don't know about is humorous.
Oh, pot, kettle, black. Since you like to talk about TiVo and their
plans and *often* get it dead wrong. How many times have I had to
correct you?
>Like I said "theories" are unnecessary. Numbers do not "scare tactics"
HA! You are the one who posted bullshit FUD about 'exhorbinant'
prices when no pricing info is available. What a hypocrite.
Most of what you post about "TiVo's plans" are theories.
>They have announced they are working on this. And while there is
They have? Both TiVo and Netflix has refused to comment on
speculation that there may be a deal beyond stating that they've
talked about a distribution partnership in the past and that they
'brainstorm' together. Which isn't surprising considering Ramsey is
on the Netflix board, TiVo has stated an interest in providing video
downloads and Netflix has stated an interest in broadband rentals. I
think anyone with a few brain cells can put two and two together and
figure out they're probably talking about a partnership. But the
public discussion by the companies amounts to 'no comment'.
Here's some references:
http
/news.com.com/Picture+imperfect+for+Netflix%2C+TiVo/2100-1038_3-5357336.html
http
/www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/08/BUGDH8L53A1.DTL
http/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-netflix8sep08,1,826716.story
http
/www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5915470/site/newsweek
>"speculation", there is no doubt on the hurdles entailed. CNET had an
>extensive analysis of these. Like I said, Let us know how they make out.
There are definitely hurdles. There are hurdles to *every* business
deal and every new product.
If a new company like Akimbo can cut some deals, surely companies like
TiVo and Netflix can cut a deal.
Sony is already a TiVo licensee, and I think they may be an investor,
and they own Columbia pictures - and just bought MGM.
Do you really think this is a *bad* idea? I don't think anyone would
make money on it for a long time, but I do believe it is the way
things will move and it is often better to lead than to follow.
If DNNA decided to jump into this arena somehow I doubt you'd be
criticising the move. And, frankly, the RTV units are probably better
suited to this since they all do progressive video and 5.1 audio
(well, at least since the 4k), while only some TiVos have those
features. So the RTV units could provide a better DVD viewing
experience from downloaded DVD content.
>> components and reduce costs. There was one major SW bump for the 5500
>> release which dropped Send Show and Commercial Advance and added
>> Show|Nav.
>The 5000 and 5500 software is identical. And I know you like to say CA
>was removed, but actually DNNA made an end around the SB agreement and
>returned it to 55XX units via SHOW|NAV. It's only purpose being to skip
>commercials.
You don't even read a goddamn thing I say do you? Try again, see
where I say "which dropped Send Show and Commercial Advance and added
Show|Nav." So what was the point of *repeating* what I said to tell
me about Show|Nav? Wake up. Commercial Advance is not Show|Nav, I
know what they both do, I know they're similar. But similar is not
the same. It is accurate to say they dropped Commercial Advance and
added Show|Nav.
>More than any company I can currently think of, Tivo is a supplier of
>vaporware. But hey, keep skaking those pom-poms.
Really? Let's hear it then. What is their vaporware?
Let me rattle off a few products or features announced by/for RTV in
the past (mostly by SonicBlue):
- MP3 playback
- Sharing content between the 4k and 5k boxes
- USB WiFi adapter support
- iChannels
- RTV/DVD Combo unit
- RTV/VCR Combo unit
- RTV 'thin client' for streaming from a full unit
Several years ago I heard an interview with some SB executive who went
on and on about how they would bring 'synergy' to their product lines
and they'd use the expertise of RTV and GoVideo to produce the RTV/DVD
and RTV/VCR combo units. How they'd bring truly integrated devices
into the home, and how they'd do it before anyone else. Uh-huh...
On TiVo's side what have they talk about as a product and failed to
deliver?
- Broadband content from JellyVision, RealNetworks, and Radiance as
announced with the S2 way back.
- Connecting MP3 players to the unit directly
I may well be forgetting things, for both RTV and TiVo, so feel free
to provide more. I'd be happy to have a real discussion of the
features of each unit.
TiVo/DirecTV? Check. TiVo/DVD units? Check. TiVo/DVD-RW units?
Check. MP3 playback? Check. Photo viewing? Check. Online
scheduling? Check. Sharing between units? Check. HDTV/DirecTV?
Check.
You can't count the Netflix deal as vaporware since Tivo has never
announced it or claimed it would happen. I also don't think it is
fair to consider something like TiVoToGo vaporware since they said
it'd be out in late 2004, so it isn't supposed to be out yet. If you
wanted to claim that I could claim the Escient media server with DVR
features is vaporware on the same grounds - they were both announced
at CES2004. (I was there, I'm already booked for CES2005 too.)
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