haha, nicely put. Musmlims do remind me of turds a bit I must say. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all(atleast 99.999999999999999%) of terrorists are Musmlim, and don't try and say that's racial profiling and cry lol. Extensive research at multiple universities and in the field, by thousands (including myself), has been conducted, it's the truth sorry. However, it is improving and has been for decades. After more generations of young people weed out the elders just like with slavery, things will smooth over in time. Every scholar I've interacted with agrees...
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[citation][nom]bamslang[/nom]Assuming these scanners are fast, I'd rather have these than random searches they do now. The random profiling they do now is completely stupid and pointless. Back when I was a teenager around Sept 11 I was a long haired skater kid. Every single time I went to fly (about 8 times a year) I would get patted down because I was preselected for a random search. Now that I'm graduated from college and have a cleaner cut look, I never get those searches. Must have been "random" bad luck.Anyway, as others have said, flying is a privilege, not a right. Comparing this to putting a camera in someone’s home is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard on these forums, and that’s saying a lot! When you go out and use a public or private service, you are subject to the terms in which they are provided. I just don’t see how people could be so insecure that they would have a problem with these searches. @Princeofdreams – You say that 0 terrorists have been captured or thwarted due to increased security. I’m wondering if you have any substantial evidence backing this claim or if you’re simply making this up as you go. Also, one final thought. The U. S. Constitution contains no express right to privacy. The Bill of Rights, however, reflects the concern of James Madison and other framers for protecting specific aspects of privacy, such as the privacy of beliefs (1st Amendment), privacy of the home against demands that it be used to house soldiers (3rd Amendment), privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and the 5th Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information. In addition, the Ninth Amendment states that the "enumeration of certain rights" in the Bill of Rights "shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." The meaning of the Ninth Amendment is elusive, but some persons (including Justice Goldberg in his Griswold concurrence) have interpreted the Ninth Amendment as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.So please show me, where in the constitution it says you have a “Right” to “privacy” with regards to being image scanned when using a private or public service.[/citation]
You do understand the term "amendment"? It is being considered an extension of the Constitution. Therefore, it's part of constitutional law. Jeez dude. Speaking of flying, I think you just took flight 404 from Cluelessville.
You do understand the term "amendment"? It is being considered an extension of the Constitution. Therefore, it's part of constitutional law. Jeez dude. Speaking of flying, I think you just took flight 404 from Cluelessville.
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[citation][nom]dane0199@yahoocom[/nom]Just body scan the muslims... they seem to be the ones causing the issues.[/citation]
Except, how do you plan to identify them? Not all muslims are 'brown sand people'. Unless you plan to force them to sew some sort of symbol on the outside of their clothing.
Nazi references aside, I giggle at all the 'right wingers' complaining about the 'left wingers' outrage at this. I thought conservatives wanted smaller gov't and less gov't involvement in our lives. As a strong advocate of smaller gov't I dislike this because I view it as an further intrusion of the gov't into our lives and industry (the airlines). We have seen a disgusting erosion of our liberties in order to trade it for a feeling of safety (which I believe is largely in our heads and not a real improvement in actual safety). --Ben Franklin's quote about sacrificing liberty has already been made so I won't repeat it here--
Sure, you can argue you don't have the constitutional right to fly on a plane and that the plane is private property so they have the right to decide who they want to let on. However, I would say 'sure I agree with you, as long as we stop the airline subsidies and stop paying for the FAA and TSA with public money.' These private agencies are heavily subsidized by and managed with public dollars. You can't complain that this is purely a private industry and therefore the constitution doesn't apply when they're taking public dollars. It's also a silly argument that it's a private venture when it's a gov't agency that's doing the scanning and keeping the logs of and deciding who's on the 'no fly' lists.
Now, it's true roughly 75% of the FAA and TSA funding comes from taxes on tickets, but the rest is made up from the general fund, especially when there's a downturn in ticket revenues. Furthermore, the smaller private short range airlines and cargo carriers heavy taxes that heavily subsidize the large passenger airlines that use a far greater percentage of the FAA and TSA services, particularly things like the AIP. Just talk to an independent, small aircraft pilot about how much they pay vs. how much they get and I can guarantee you'll get an earful. If the FAA and TSA were purely funded by ticket revenue, then you can make the argument it's a private venture, but as long as there is public dollars involved ... well, you can go pound sand.
Based on the number of miles flown in the last decade, there has been one airline terrorist incident per 11.6 trillion miles flown, enough to go to Neptune... twice. Yes, it sucks for those people and their families who do die in these tragedies, but at a risk of 1 in 55,000,000 yearly (if I fly monthly) I don't think this justifies the level of panic and terror people are devoting towards it (heck you're 110x more likely to be hit by lightning in a year and 7900x more likely to die in your car). And finally, don't forget the two things that have stopped both the undie and shoe bombers... the PEOPLE ON THE PLANE! These guys were not stopped by the gov't, they were stopped by the people noticing something was wrong and standing up for themselves and their own safety. It's silly to expect that anything the gov't will do will actually have any effect, the gov't regulations are predictable and the terrorists can train for it, the key is to be vigilant and responsible for your own saftey.
Honestly, these panicked, fearful reactions that cause us to erode our own liberties and sacrifice our free way of life is exactly what the terrorists are trying to get us to do. And because of things like these new scanners, the PATRIOT Act, bogging ourselves down in foreign wars and the fact it took us forever to start rebuilding 1 WTC, makes me worry that they're winning because we're doing EXACTLY what they're hoping we would do. Remember, Osama hoped his actions would get us involved in a war in the Middle East because it costs us money, political capital with other nations, and generates recruits for his organization, which is what's happening today.
Except, how do you plan to identify them? Not all muslims are 'brown sand people'. Unless you plan to force them to sew some sort of symbol on the outside of their clothing.
Nazi references aside, I giggle at all the 'right wingers' complaining about the 'left wingers' outrage at this. I thought conservatives wanted smaller gov't and less gov't involvement in our lives. As a strong advocate of smaller gov't I dislike this because I view it as an further intrusion of the gov't into our lives and industry (the airlines). We have seen a disgusting erosion of our liberties in order to trade it for a feeling of safety (which I believe is largely in our heads and not a real improvement in actual safety). --Ben Franklin's quote about sacrificing liberty has already been made so I won't repeat it here--
Sure, you can argue you don't have the constitutional right to fly on a plane and that the plane is private property so they have the right to decide who they want to let on. However, I would say 'sure I agree with you, as long as we stop the airline subsidies and stop paying for the FAA and TSA with public money.' These private agencies are heavily subsidized by and managed with public dollars. You can't complain that this is purely a private industry and therefore the constitution doesn't apply when they're taking public dollars. It's also a silly argument that it's a private venture when it's a gov't agency that's doing the scanning and keeping the logs of and deciding who's on the 'no fly' lists.
Now, it's true roughly 75% of the FAA and TSA funding comes from taxes on tickets, but the rest is made up from the general fund, especially when there's a downturn in ticket revenues. Furthermore, the smaller private short range airlines and cargo carriers heavy taxes that heavily subsidize the large passenger airlines that use a far greater percentage of the FAA and TSA services, particularly things like the AIP. Just talk to an independent, small aircraft pilot about how much they pay vs. how much they get and I can guarantee you'll get an earful. If the FAA and TSA were purely funded by ticket revenue, then you can make the argument it's a private venture, but as long as there is public dollars involved ... well, you can go pound sand.
Based on the number of miles flown in the last decade, there has been one airline terrorist incident per 11.6 trillion miles flown, enough to go to Neptune... twice. Yes, it sucks for those people and their families who do die in these tragedies, but at a risk of 1 in 55,000,000 yearly (if I fly monthly) I don't think this justifies the level of panic and terror people are devoting towards it (heck you're 110x more likely to be hit by lightning in a year and 7900x more likely to die in your car). And finally, don't forget the two things that have stopped both the undie and shoe bombers... the PEOPLE ON THE PLANE! These guys were not stopped by the gov't, they were stopped by the people noticing something was wrong and standing up for themselves and their own safety. It's silly to expect that anything the gov't will do will actually have any effect, the gov't regulations are predictable and the terrorists can train for it, the key is to be vigilant and responsible for your own saftey.
Honestly, these panicked, fearful reactions that cause us to erode our own liberties and sacrifice our free way of life is exactly what the terrorists are trying to get us to do. And because of things like these new scanners, the PATRIOT Act, bogging ourselves down in foreign wars and the fact it took us forever to start rebuilding 1 WTC, makes me worry that they're winning because we're doing EXACTLY what they're hoping we would do. Remember, Osama hoped his actions would get us involved in a war in the Middle East because it costs us money, political capital with other nations, and generates recruits for his organization, which is what's happening today.
You people don't understand a thing. You don't make the rules when you go VOLUNTEER, WHICH IS A FREEDOM BTW, durrr, to use a private/public service, that is not your own.....If you pull up in your car next to me on the sidewalk and offer me a ride, I will follow your rules, or get out right? Same thing at airports...follow the rules, or get out lol. You can't make up your own rules when using someone else's service/products, and you never will, get over it michael moores.
Yea cause allowing sand nigs to jump on any planes they want with no screening will be ok cause they only choose to bomb 1 in a million or whatever? lol I'm sure that ratio won't change when you take away screening lol. More like every single plane will go down, and or enough so that no one will VOLUNTEER to fly anymore....lol. I bet you people complain about paying a toll on roads as if you own them and shouldn't have to lol.
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[citation][nom]tsmatthx2[/nom]haha, nicely put. Musmlims do remind me of turds a bit I must say. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all(atleast 99.999999999999999%) of terrorists are Musmlim, and don't try and say that's racial profiling and cry lol. Extensive research at multiple universities and in the field, by thousands (including myself), has been conducted, it's the truth sorry. However, it is improving and has been for decades. After more generations of young people weed out the elders just like with slavery, things will smooth over in time. Every scholar I've interacted with agrees...[/citation]
Then you didn't research very hard, all you have to do is pull up the NCTC reports on terrorism to find out that about half of the terrorism deaths are the results of Muslim extremists (8000 of the 16000 in 2008 - 5000 of which were in Iraq). Christian extremists account for about 1000, 2500 due to political, 1000 due to 'other i.e. school shooters' and the remainder being unknown. Even if you were to give the muslims all of the 'unknown' category they'd still be a little less than 75%, hardly the 99.9999999% you're claiming.
Then you didn't research very hard, all you have to do is pull up the NCTC reports on terrorism to find out that about half of the terrorism deaths are the results of Muslim extremists (8000 of the 16000 in 2008 - 5000 of which were in Iraq). Christian extremists account for about 1000, 2500 due to political, 1000 due to 'other i.e. school shooters' and the remainder being unknown. Even if you were to give the muslims all of the 'unknown' category they'd still be a little less than 75%, hardly the 99.9999999% you're claiming.
Actually its 99.99999% lol. Good try though. Just check the NDSLE reports, haha I mean seriously omg lolz x 2 lol. Tell that to my phd btw lol I mean wow, you people are so cute with your forums lol.
I like the spin from 99.999% terrorists to % of deaths, which are totally the same thing...? haha not my fault muslims are horribly inefficient, like your forum michael mooreism lol
I like the spin from 99.999% terrorists to % of deaths, which are totally the same thing...? haha not my fault muslims are horribly inefficient, like your forum michael mooreism lol
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Americans need to some time thinking about the motivation behind terrorist attacks. We need to stop thinking of these people as evil demons who just want to cause as much mayhem as possible.
Here is some background information (if you are in any way confused please refer yourself to Wikipedia):
1) The U.S. and former Soviet Union used the Middle East as the staging area for the cold war.
2) Western countries forced the mass migration of Jewish people to the Middle East. Forcing one culture to an area that already had a different culture occupying the area is why we have the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The U.S. supporting Israel is salt in the wound.
3) The U.S. has exploited the Middle East for its oil reserves under the guise that there were weapons of mass destruction, when there were none.
No wonder the Arabs are pissed at Americans and the western world! Do you think they bombed the world trade center just because they are evil? No! They are really pissed that we turned their countries into a war zone, and they want the western world to leave them alone!
Do you remember in history class the American Revolution? Do you remember learning about the group the Sons of Liberty? The Sons of Liberty was an American terrorist group that tortured, threatened, tarred and feathered, etc. anyone who was a loyalist to the English. However, the Sons of Liberty are praised as "freedom fighters" in American schools.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
The answer is NOT racial profiling. The answer is get the hell out of the Middle East because lets face it, we were dead wrong, and it is time for us to own up to our mistake.
Here is some background information (if you are in any way confused please refer yourself to Wikipedia):
1) The U.S. and former Soviet Union used the Middle East as the staging area for the cold war.
2) Western countries forced the mass migration of Jewish people to the Middle East. Forcing one culture to an area that already had a different culture occupying the area is why we have the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The U.S. supporting Israel is salt in the wound.
3) The U.S. has exploited the Middle East for its oil reserves under the guise that there were weapons of mass destruction, when there were none.
No wonder the Arabs are pissed at Americans and the western world! Do you think they bombed the world trade center just because they are evil? No! They are really pissed that we turned their countries into a war zone, and they want the western world to leave them alone!
Do you remember in history class the American Revolution? Do you remember learning about the group the Sons of Liberty? The Sons of Liberty was an American terrorist group that tortured, threatened, tarred and feathered, etc. anyone who was a loyalist to the English. However, the Sons of Liberty are praised as "freedom fighters" in American schools.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
The answer is NOT racial profiling. The answer is get the hell out of the Middle East because lets face it, we were dead wrong, and it is time for us to own up to our mistake.
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What on earth are you leftie faggots going on about..."constitutional rights"? "Freedom"?.....you are no less free if you have to go through a scanner or not.....you have to abide by rules when you use an airport...you have to check in a certain time before your flight...or to preserve your freedom would you like to turn up WHENEVER! You have to turn in your luggage to be stowed away...or would you like to exercise your complete freedom and take your suitcases onboard with you?
There are rules which apply to every aspect of life...they are not an infringement of freedom rights or constitution just part of an organsied process...if you want complete unfetered "freedom" go run around naked on you own desert island because the rest of society needs rules to operate.
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Yeah I'm sure there are many instances which can be quoted as evidence for why these people hate the West...but it is a question of interpretation...in most cases the West has simply been looking after its own self interest more often than not in response to cold war issues which were of far more importance to the West than middle east relations. But the peoples of the Middle East led by their radical leaders are just determined to interpret everything as an attack on them by the West....for goodness sake "The Crusades" which happened 4 centuries ago is still an issue for them..or rather they choose to make it an issue....I've forgiven the Vikings and Romans for invading my country. How long are the palestinians going to hate the state of Israel for and other muslim countries say they want it wiped from the map....Europe and the rest of the world have forgiven Germany for the first and second world wars....it is the hatred of all things non islamic by the Islamic faith that is the only problem here.
There are rules which apply to every aspect of life...they are not an infringement of freedom rights or constitution just part of an organsied process...if you want complete unfetered "freedom" go run around naked on you own desert island because the rest of society needs rules to operate.
@njalterio
Yeah I'm sure there are many instances which can be quoted as evidence for why these people hate the West...but it is a question of interpretation...in most cases the West has simply been looking after its own self interest more often than not in response to cold war issues which were of far more importance to the West than middle east relations. But the peoples of the Middle East led by their radical leaders are just determined to interpret everything as an attack on them by the West....for goodness sake "The Crusades" which happened 4 centuries ago is still an issue for them..or rather they choose to make it an issue....I've forgiven the Vikings and Romans for invading my country. How long are the palestinians going to hate the state of Israel for and other muslim countries say they want it wiped from the map....Europe and the rest of the world have forgiven Germany for the first and second world wars....it is the hatred of all things non islamic by the Islamic faith that is the only problem here.
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The institutions of such devices is just another stab at freedom and liberty, These scanners are unconstitutional, unnecessary, unwelcome. The body scanners have been known to produce radiation in high enough concentrations to cause cancer. I read a few comments earlier calling people who are against these things "liberals" well I'm sorry to burst your ignorant bubbles but there is no difference between left and right, republican, democrat, its two sides of the same coin, both parties are lobbied and funded by wall-street and other corporate interests. All of this anti-terrorism legislation is doing nothing to save us from terrorists. All it is doing is stripping the rights from the citizens. This is just the start of the tyranny, if homeland security has it way every airline passenger will where a shocker bracelet that will track you and electrocute you when they feel fit, no joke here's a link to the article http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/
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[citation][nom]technogiant[/nom]@njalterioYeah I'm sure there are many instances which can be quoted as evidence for why these people hate the West...but it is a question of interpretation...in most cases the West has simply been looking after its own self interest more often than not in response to cold war issues which were of far more importance to the West than middle east relations. But the peoples of the Middle East led by their radical leaders are just determined to interpret everything as an attack on them by the West....for goodness sake "The Crusades" which happened 4 centuries ago is still an issue for them..or rather they choose to make it an issue....I've forgiven the Vikings and Romans for invading my country. How long are the palestinians going to hate the state of Israel for and other muslim countries say they want it wiped from the map....Europe and the rest of the world have forgiven Germany for the first and second world wars....it is the hatred of all things non islamic by the Islamic faith that is the only problem here.[/citation]
You are right that the U.S. was largely just looking out for it's interests in the cold war, and not actually focused on the Middle East. However, whether the U.S. meant to or not, they created a mess in the Middle East. Bin Laden was actually given weapons by the U.S. to fight the soviets.
You forgiving the Vikings is a lot different then Palestinians forgiving Israel, because Israel is still invading Palestinian territory and killing Palestinians! The conflict is on going whereas your Viking example is centuries gone by. It is much easier to forgive someone when the conflict is over and there has been some justice (as in the case of world war 1 & 2), but that is not the case in the Middle East.
You are right that the U.S. was largely just looking out for it's interests in the cold war, and not actually focused on the Middle East. However, whether the U.S. meant to or not, they created a mess in the Middle East. Bin Laden was actually given weapons by the U.S. to fight the soviets.
You forgiving the Vikings is a lot different then Palestinians forgiving Israel, because Israel is still invading Palestinian territory and killing Palestinians! The conflict is on going whereas your Viking example is centuries gone by. It is much easier to forgive someone when the conflict is over and there has been some justice (as in the case of world war 1 & 2), but that is not the case in the Middle East.
why do they need to include the face?... there program should auotmatically crop everything at the neck , so that there is a not any record or who it is.
( and image recogition software to blur tattoos)... that would eliminate any abitily for embrassind photos to be leaked.
( and image recogition software to blur tattoos)... that would eliminate any abitily for embrassind photos to be leaked.
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your comments completely ignore the fact that the Israelis have a claim to the area as well as the Palestinians....The reason that the conflict is ongoing is because it is being perpetuated by the palestinians and muslim countries in the area and their refusal to accept Israel or any Israeli claim to the area.
This conflict will never be settled because of Islamic intolerance....if the wrongs and sins of two world wars can be forgiven and forgotten in the course of one generation then why is this issue such a problem....Islamic intolerance.
your comments completely ignore the fact that the Israelis have a claim to the area as well as the Palestinians....The reason that the conflict is ongoing is because it is being perpetuated by the palestinians and muslim countries in the area and their refusal to accept Israel or any Israeli claim to the area.
This conflict will never be settled because of Islamic intolerance....if the wrongs and sins of two world wars can be forgiven and forgotten in the course of one generation then why is this issue such a problem....Islamic intolerance.
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[citation][nom]technogiant[/nom]@njalterio your comments completely ignore the fact that the Israelis have a claim to the area as well as the Palestinians....The reason that the conflict is ongoing is because it is being perpetuated by the palestinians and muslim countries in the area and their refusal to accept Israel or any Israeli claim to the area.This conflict will never be settled because of Islamic intolerance....if the wrongs and sins of two world wars can be forgiven and forgotten in the course of one generation then why is this issue such a problem....Islamic intolerance.[/citation]
It's a catch 22. There is Islamic intolerance and there is Palestinian intolerance. The world imposes that the Jews should live in Israel, and the Arabs fight back because that was their home. Because the Arabs fight back, the Jews protect themselves, but use overwhelming and unnecessary force (tanks from the U.S. are sent into the Gaza strip against teenagers throwing rocks and launching bottle rockets). Then some radical Muslim group seeking revenge comes along and blows up a public transportation bus in Israel, and it goes on and on and on. I can understand why both sides would be intolerant. It might not be right, but you can see why both sides are upset. Anyone would be upset in that situation.
It's funny that you bring up the world wars as evidence that people can quickly heal, while both world wars and the anti-antisemitism that occurred is the reason why the Zionist movement took place. The Jews were basically exiled to Israel by Europe, and the Palestinians were forced to make room. The religious differences add fuel to the fire.
I have no idea who is right, and I won't pretend to know the answer. What I have been saying is that if the U.S. does not want to be threatened by terrorist attacks, then the U.S. needs to end their involvement in the conflict. From what I have seen, U.S. involvement is not making any progress in resolving the issues, it is a money drain for tax payers, and it makes the U.S. a target for terror attacks.
It's a catch 22. There is Islamic intolerance and there is Palestinian intolerance. The world imposes that the Jews should live in Israel, and the Arabs fight back because that was their home. Because the Arabs fight back, the Jews protect themselves, but use overwhelming and unnecessary force (tanks from the U.S. are sent into the Gaza strip against teenagers throwing rocks and launching bottle rockets). Then some radical Muslim group seeking revenge comes along and blows up a public transportation bus in Israel, and it goes on and on and on. I can understand why both sides would be intolerant. It might not be right, but you can see why both sides are upset. Anyone would be upset in that situation.
It's funny that you bring up the world wars as evidence that people can quickly heal, while both world wars and the anti-antisemitism that occurred is the reason why the Zionist movement took place. The Jews were basically exiled to Israel by Europe, and the Palestinians were forced to make room. The religious differences add fuel to the fire.
I have no idea who is right, and I won't pretend to know the answer. What I have been saying is that if the U.S. does not want to be threatened by terrorist attacks, then the U.S. needs to end their involvement in the conflict. From what I have seen, U.S. involvement is not making any progress in resolving the issues, it is a money drain for tax payers, and it makes the U.S. a target for terror attacks.
I don't actually have a problem with the scanners. If those are the actual pictures of what people look like when going to the scanner.. O get over yourselves.
It's just all the other bullshit the goverment is doing that I have a problem with. They want to wire tap or search something/body simply say we suspect he's a terrorist. Which they can also deny people lawyers for..
Scanners that show a black and white picture.. With very blurred detail.. Should be the least of your problems.
It's just all the other bullshit the goverment is doing that I have a problem with. They want to wire tap or search something/body simply say we suspect he's a terrorist. Which they can also deny people lawyers for..
Scanners that show a black and white picture.. With very blurred detail.. Should be the least of your problems.
[citation][nom]technogiant[/nom]@njalterio your comments completely ignore the fact that the Israelis have a claim to the area as well as the Palestinians....The reason that the conflict is ongoing is because it is being perpetuated by the palestinians and muslim countries in the area and their refusal to accept Israel or any Israeli claim to the area.This conflict will never be settled because of Islamic intolerance....if the wrongs and sins of two world wars can be forgiven and forgotten in the course of one generation then why is this issue such a problem....Islamic intolerance.[/citation]
The Israelis have long overstepped what was mandated to them but the world and have done so in defiance of the illegitimacy of their "conquests" as expressed by the very nations that made Israel possible in the first place.
I don't know. Maybe I'm too cynical but the idea of shooting a rock-throwing teenager with a 120mm HEAP round from a Merkava 4 Main Battle Tank just seems totally disproportionate to me.
But they seem to think it makes great sense.
The Israelis have long overstepped what was mandated to them but the world and have done so in defiance of the illegitimacy of their "conquests" as expressed by the very nations that made Israel possible in the first place.
I don't know. Maybe I'm too cynical but the idea of shooting a rock-throwing teenager with a 120mm HEAP round from a Merkava 4 Main Battle Tank just seems totally disproportionate to me.
But they seem to think it makes great sense.
I like how people say U.S. went to middle east to get oil and for WMD lol, apparently you haven't seen research findings of Saddam Husseins personal checks written to the mothers of suicide bombers in Syria, Libya, and other sand nigvilles lol. Oh and do you know where the 93 bomber of WTC took refuge? Thats right, Iraq, paid a salary by Saddam Hussein, but I'm sure hes a nice guy right, we just want his oil. Do you know he's responsible for over 1million deaths, and the complete distruction of Iraq economy and infrastructure lol. Did you fail to notice that we pay more than double the price for oil than we did pre-war era? lol funny I figured we'd be getting cheap oil since we went over and grabbed all their refineries and tankers lolz. Oh wait....actually, just like we rebuilt Japan after ww2, which started their conflict btw, we're building Iraq....odd for invading infidels to spend billions making hundreds of schools, hospitals, railroads, universities, cell phone companys (btw iraq had no cell phones during saddam husseins rule, they weren't allowed), oh and btw they now have their own stock exchange. The list goes on...a lot. You were saying....?
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[citation][nom]yrmoma[/nom]I'd rather have liberty with less security than no liberty and a greater sense of security.[/citation]
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
If Ben Franklin were still alive he would bitch-slap the TSA people for this. And that would be funny to see a 300 year old man go around slapping people. I would pay money to watch it.
You know that dogs' noses do a better job at sniffing C4 hidden in somebody's snizz than the makers of these scanners could ever hope to do.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
If Ben Franklin were still alive he would bitch-slap the TSA people for this. And that would be funny to see a 300 year old man go around slapping people. I would pay money to watch it.
You know that dogs' noses do a better job at sniffing C4 hidden in somebody's snizz than the makers of these scanners could ever hope to do.
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