Homeland Security Wants More 'Naked Scanners'

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@njalterio....I understand where you are coming from with your comments about the US and that it shouldn't invovlve itself with the Israeli/Palestinian problem.
But that is basically a policy of isolationism which the US tried before...it culminated in the US being dragged into WW2 by the Japaneese attack on Pearl Harbor and since then the US has not pursued an isolationist approach....I don't claim to know the answer either...it seems your damned whichever approach you take.
 
[citation][nom]tsmatthx2[/nom]Actually its 99.99999% lol. Good try though. Just check the NDSLE reports, haha I mean seriously omg lolz x 2 lol. Tell that to my phd btw lol I mean wow, you people are so cute with your forums lol.I like the spin from 99.999% terrorists to % of deaths, which are totally the same thing...? haha not my fault muslims are horribly inefficient, like your forum michael mooreism lol[/citation]

No, they're not, I don't know what else to tell you but I'm sure you'll just resort to more insults anyway so whatever. Your number is obviously false and silly, as it would imply there are 10,000,000 islam terrorists per non-islam terrorist, it's so obvious you're pulling this number out of your rear it's painfully transparent. Just as an example, the Japanese Christian terrorist group Aum Shinrikyo alone has a membership of approximately 1500 people (as estimated by the Japanese gov't), this would imply for just this one group there are 15 BILLION muslim terrorists for you number to be accurate, this is 10x the number of actual Muslims on the planet (and 2x the number of people). All you have to do is simply go to the national couterterrorism center and look at the numbers and estimated group size to figure this out. Yes, there are a lot of muslim terrorists and make up the majority of terrorists, but there are also a lot of environmental terrorists, anarchists/political extremists, right wing radical terrorists (who happen to be responsible for the majority of terrorist acts in the US BTW), and of course, the drug dealing organizations that plague mexico, central america and SE asia.

And as far as the michael moore comments, I consider him and his true believers just as bad as the ditto-head true believers. I am Libertarian, not left wing big gov't (in fact quite the opposite). I consider the so called conservatives to be ridiculous hypocrites. They pretend they want small gov't but all they do when they get in power is grow the parts of gov't that they happen to like, rather than actually shrinking it all and giving power and choice back to the people and states.

It's not that I'm against these scanners, I'm against the gov't mandating them and getting further involved in private industry and our private lives. I actually want smaller gov't, not larger, I don't want the gov't holding my hand every step along the way in life. If people want greater security on their flights, then let the airlines decide if they want to put them in and pay for the cost of the additional security through increased ticket prices. On the other hand, airlines that are 'less secure' and implement smarter and more cost effective security measures will be able to have cheaper tickets. This way you can CHOOSE which one you want, if you're afraid of brown people, you can go on the more expensive full body cavity search airline, and I can go on my cheaper 'lower security' airline. Yeah maybe the lower security airline has a 1 in 15,000,000 chance vs a 1 in 60,000,000 chance of the high security airline of something happening but if its 100$ cheaper, give me the lower security, I'll take the risk, that's free market and freedom of choice. Gov't mandates remove our freedom to choose by forcing me to live they way you fearful cowards (who are playing right into the terrorists hands) want to and forcing me to pay for your fears.

This isn't about racial profiling or treating everyone equally while hugging trees or any other reason you're imagining why I'm irritated about this. This is about the gov't mandating and forcing things upon me that I feel are irrational and not worth the cost. I say, let the free market decide, if people that want to fly higher security are willing to pay, let them and the market will accommodate them, if I want to take more risk and fly lower security more cheaply, let me.
 
This is about the gov't mandating and forcing things upon me that I feel are irrational and not worth the cost. lol So your family and peoples lives aren't worth the cost of security lol, tell your gf or wife or something that and see how she takes it lol. And you keep saying the government is mandating things, lol. The government mandates fees on toll roads, do you complain about that to? I bet you think you deserve free internet too like Net Zero? lol. You can't complain someone makes a rule that people make, having a right to be safe, for your right to travel without being probed, using SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICES, NOT YOURS, SOMEONE ELSE'S YOUR'E VOLUNTEERING FOR, lol. You can't volunteer to use somethin, (which is exercising freedom btw, which you say your losing lol), and then complain about govnt. taking away your private life lol. If you have nothing to hide, stop crying, it makes you look guilty.
 
Oh and my math is very precise lol. Field study, plus CIA factbook and countless other organizations research, plus my discrete mathematics, linear algebra, and vector calc help me count thanks lol. Japanese christian terrorists, hahaha omg lolz lmao.
 
Oh and another thing, didn't wanna hurt your feelings too bad, you "choosing to take a cheap flight with a bigger chance of getting bombed", you may have a right to choose that route, but that doesnt mean the people you're flying with who have to fly that route, don't have the right to be safe if they want it. You'r just one person with very little weight. You're rights go out the window compared to the rights of little children to fly with the feeling of safety, knowing that the passengers on their plane didn't just pull up to the plane and hop on no questions ask, I mean really? lol
 
[citation][nom]tsmatthx2[/nom]Oh and another thing, didn't wanna hurt your feelings too bad, you "choosing to take a cheap flight with a bigger chance of getting bombed", you may have a right to choose that route, but that doesnt mean the people you're flying with who have to fly that route, don't have the right to be safe if they want it. You'r just one person with very little weight. You're rights go out the window compared to the rights of little children to fly with the feeling of safety, knowing that the passengers on their plane didn't just pull up to the plane and hop on no questions ask, I mean really? lol[/citation]

tsmatthx2, this song goes out to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxu2CwRGnE8&feature=related
 
I fly round trip through Amsterdam two or three times a year. And I have ex-pat friends who fly through London and Frankfurt.

We have no problem with the scanner technology. And for anyone who feels that this is an egregious invasion of privacy, well, if you feel that strongly about it, don't fly.

Besides, it will reduce your carbon footprint.
 
The suggestion that you should be able to take cheaper flights with less security is rediculous and shows the lack of depth of thought from these people spouting their knee jerk reaction to their perceived loss of freedoms.
So when exercise your freedom and get on your low secuirty flight and it is hijacked and crashed into another skyscraper killing thousands what about their rights?
If you want to be given any credability at all at least think out your proposals beyond the confines of your own delusions of self importance.
 
Maybe I'm not making my position clear. This isn't about (to me) letting just anyone on a plane. My problem with this is it's the federal gov't mandating it. If it was the airlines doing it I'd be fine with it. Also, if it was individual States I'd be fine with it as well because those elected representatives are more closely tied to their electorate. Personally, I feel it should be up to the airlines to decide how they're run. If the airline makes bad security decisions and people die, the airline is responsible and gets sued by the victim's families and owners of any damaged property and it either ceases to exist or fixes itself. If the TSA makes bad decisions and people die... well, we just get more rules, there's little actual accountability other than maybe some obscure director somewhere losing his position and someone else's friend being appointed that we have little control over. My problem with this is its just another sign of bloated, overgrown federal gov't dictating to businesses how they should be run. That's where I'm seeing the loss of freedom. This is just as much of a ridiculous overstepping of gov't authority into private business just like what they're doing to health care, banks or the housing markets because they feel they know better than us and need to hold our hands.

I'm more afraid of the old white guys (or young black guy) in DC than I am of the young brown guys in Afghan caves. At least the terrorists can be held accountable for their actions as opposed to the sovereign immunity held by our gov't departments like the TSA and EPA.

Anyway, I'm done feeding the troll who's bragging about his 2nd year undergrad math skillz, phd "contacts" and who can hardly write a sentence without "lol". Noam Chompski has a PhD too and teaches at MIT, does that also mean everything that tool says is right?. I personally put little value on most things academic PhDs have to say; those who can, do, those who can't, teach.
 
It's a slippery slope from here if this continues. Certainly there may be a perceived benefit to security, but I'd wager it's marginal at best. I've read about these before and I recall reading that it is only to be used on passengers of 18 and older. So how about the 17 year old terrorist? This is pornography, plain and simple. Do they intend to mandate that bathrooms have cameras as well?

Also, the constitutionality of this is certainly questionable. As plane travel is most certainly not probable cause for a strip search.
 
MIT? haha now hes making things up, some more, lol. Actually I think it was my 4th year (as well as for 99.99999% of similar people as me lol) for most of those classes, not sure about your middle schooling teachings lol. And yea the people in the government, 99.9999% of the time have way more education than you so they are better equipped to handle the decisions lol. Knowledge is power, hello.....someone must feel weak....lol. Oh and here's an extra lol and even a lolz x 2., pwn3d. Cause I'm writing a thesis here right....haha nubz-a-lertz
 
Oh and for the nub at the end. If you wanna come into my house, and can mandate whatever I want before I let you in lol. If you disagree with any of them, you may CHOOSE, which is a freedom btw lol, to leave. Same goes for your house. However, when your flying over my house lol thats my area too lol.
 
I'm sure you saw that space move where we all almost die with the dude from die hard, Bruce W.? Not sure there, anyways, as you saw at one point, the tard that got a C in physics or some other nerdy class didn't get to make the decisions about what to do, the guy that got the A did lol, aka knowledge is power. Get some more of it or hush lol.
 
[citation][nom]tsmatthx2[/nom]MIT? haha now hes making things up, some more, lol. Actually I think it was my 4th year (as well as for 99.99999% of similar people as me lol) for most of those classes, not sure about your middle schooling teachings lol. And yea the people in the government, 99.9999% of the time have way more education than you so they are better equipped to handle the decisions lol. Knowledge is power, hello.....someone must feel weak....lol. Oh and here's an extra lol and even a lolz x 2., pwn3d. Cause I'm writing a thesis here right....haha nubz-a-lertz[/citation]

Huh, weird, cause we covered vector calc in sophmore year and linear in freshman because of fluid mechanics needing tensor fields. Discrete math was covered when we had to calculate FLOPs required for programming algorithms (granted, that was for FORTRAN which was a long time ago and people cared about such things because it meant the difference between a 2 week program and a 6 month one). By junior we were covering sequences+series and wrapping up discrete and by senior year we were doing Lebesgue and transforms (Laplace is used a lot in process control). Maybe things are slower now. My apologizes if vector and discrete were your senior year math.

And yeah Noam Chompski teaches at MIT, what of it? I still don't agree with him. And his employment wouldn't really be that hard for you to verify. Unless of course, you don't believe it because you didn't hear it from the gov't who are apparently wise and all knowing.

If they were so wise and all knowing, why didn't they implement scanners before... oh wait, they couldn't because gov't has to abide by a separate set of rules than a private industry and get pushed around by politics. Let alone the fact that they're so huge and slow moving the terrorists already know about these scanners, they already know about the leaked TSA protocol documents, so they can train for it. If airlines had private security rather than public, they could have implemented them earlier and faster and wouldn't have had to worry about the politics of it making them faster to adapt to situations and not as easy to train suicide bombers for.

It must be nice to believe the gov't is filled with geniuses like hollywood portrays it'd make me feel safe, warm and fuzzy too. Personally, my experience with them and some regulations has led me to think quite the opposite, particularly where chemistry is concerned.

omnomnomnom troll food!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
 
haha crackin me up good now lol, so you took 6 math classes, all pre-req. of each other in 1 year lol, must be a go getter haha. No time for a girl friend I take it haha. Stop watching the news...might help ya, haha.
 
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