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I wonder if this might be the cause of the mysterious memory errors I
encounter randomly on my Gateway 450rog. Not that it matters, I am in the
middle of a dispute with Gateway, I want my money back, and they want to fix
this thing for the 4th time since last October when it was new. I will never
purchase Gateway again, the customer service is a joke, and their service is
even worse.
Dan
Tony Hill wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:18:06 -0400, "Jason Cothran"
> <reply@board.nomail> wrote:
>>
>> "Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:c1d4e0t39r4o3d9fkjpuabmbh3t7u1f4uk@4ax.com...
>>> Assuming I'm getting the store correctly, yes. The trick is that
>>> memory is an easy thing to swap out, chipsets are very difficult to
>>> swap. This is a $20 bandage vs. a $200+ solution.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly. Just like a big company to put a bandage on a sore that
>> needs stitches. They aren't fixing anything, they are just covering
>> it up. It's about like buying a brand new car as new with bondo in
>> it because it was wrecked on a test drive.
>
> Well, I've done a bit more looking and it seems like I may have been
> too quick to judge Intel, it looks like it could well be that it's a
> "flaw" in the modules themselves, or perhaps more to the point, the
> way that Intel chipsets expects the memory modules to handle the
> "self-refresh" feature is somewhat different to how the memory modules
> implement self-refresh. Unfortunately finding exact details is
> somewhat tricky.
>
> To be fair to HP, they seem to be doing the right thing here. This
> exact same flaw will almost certainly also affect Dell laptops (since
> HP and Dell laptops are mostly produced by the same Taiwanese
> companies, just with different badges thrown on the front), and most
> likely Toshiba, IBM and others. It seems like a flat out
> incompatibility with Intel chipsets and memory modules from Samsung,
> Infineon and Winbond. A separate but similar issue was also found
> with Micron modules. Considering that those companies probably
> account for 75%+ of the OEM memory module market and ALL the major
> OEMs have products using the Intel mobile chipsets in question, this
> is a pretty much industry-wide issue.
>
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> Tony Hill
> hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca