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On 2005-08-04, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
> Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> The reasons that you and Jeff list for disliking them make sense.
>
> If there was a "don't every record this show/episode as a suggestion" in
> the UI, I'd enable suggestions as fast as I could get to the TiVo. I

It's never recorded anything as a suggestion for me after I gave it three
thumbs down.

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Mike Hunt <in2sheep@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2005-08-04, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
> > Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> The reasons that you and Jeff list for disliking them make sense.
> >
> > If there was a "don't every record this show/episode as a suggestion" in
> > the UI, I'd enable suggestions as fast as I could get to the TiVo. I

> It's never recorded anything as a suggestion for me after I gave it three
> thumbs down.

I own all ST:TNG and STS9 DVDs. I'd like to "thumbs up" these programs
but _not_ record them as suggestions (pointless to record them since I own
the DVD).

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Stephen Harris (usenet@spuddy.org) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > It's never recorded anything as a suggestion for me after I gave it three
> > thumbs down.
>
> I own all ST:TNG and STS9 DVDs. I'd like to "thumbs up" these programs
> but _not_ record them as suggestions (pointless to record them since I own
> the DVD).

Exactly. I want it to suggest shows similar to what it knows I like, but
not the actual shows.

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In article <MPG.1d5c90dcc68b58ad989ed9@news.nabs.net>, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
>Stephen Harris (usenet@spuddy.org) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > It's never recorded anything as a suggestion for me after I gave it three
>> > thumbs down.
>>
>> I own all ST:TNG and STS9 DVDs. I'd like to "thumbs up" these programs
>> but _not_ record them as suggestions (pointless to record them since I own
>> the DVD).
>
>Exactly. I want it to suggest shows similar to what it knows I like, but
>not the actual shows.
>
Thats why you give the show 1 thumbs up. If you give it 3 thumbs up it will
almost always record that series all the time.

 

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GMAN (whodothere@whocares.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >Exactly. I want it to suggest shows similar to what it knows I like, but
> >not the actual shows.
> >
> Thats why you give the show 1 thumbs up.

If you do that, the show *will* get recorded as a suggestion, and I want
it *not* to record it at all. This is no more a "suggestion" than if I
tell you that I like "The Simpsons" so you loan me "The Simpsons" season 1
DVD set and say "Here's something I suggest you view because I *think* you
might like it".

What I want from the suggestions engine is to have the reruns of "Batman:
The Animated Series" and "Superman" (now showing on Boomerang) be suggested
because I have given "Justice League", "Batman Beyond", and "The Batman"
thumbs up. Unfortunately, the suggestion engine doesn't do that...it just
"suggests" reruns of those three series.

> If you give it 3 thumbs up it will
> almost always record that series all the time.

No, the number of thumbs doesn't affect the frequency of the recording.
Once a the suggestion engine decides that a show "hits" as a suggestion,
then every episode of that show will be recorded as long as nothing with
a higher priority is in the way. Although shows with more thumbs have a
higher priority, if they aren't on very often, they won't be recorded much.

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On 2005-08-05, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
>
> What I want from the suggestions engine is to have the reruns of "Batman:
> The Animated Series" and "Superman" (now showing on Boomerang) be suggested
> because I have given "Justice League", "Batman Beyond", and "The Batman"
> thumbs up. Unfortunately, the suggestion engine doesn't do that...it just
> "suggests" reruns of those three series.

My TiVo suggestions will record those other shows and not just the three
you've already thumbed up.

>> If you give it 3 thumbs up it will
>> almost always record that series all the time.
>
> No, the number of thumbs doesn't affect the frequency of the recording.
> Once a the suggestion engine decides that a show "hits" as a suggestion,
> then every episode of that show will be recorded as long as nothing with
> a higher priority is in the way. Although shows with more thumbs have a
> higher priority, if they aren't on very often, they won't be recorded much.

The suggestion engine isn't nearly as simple as you make it out to seem.
Although it does take some time to train, if you stick with it, it really
works well.

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Mike Hunt (in2sheep@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> My TiVo suggestions will record those other shows and not just the three
> you've already thumbed up.

Well, mine *might* if I had only those three shows, but with 20-30 shows
thumbed up, nothing is suggested but shows I have already thumbed up.

> The suggestion engine isn't nearly as simple as you make it out to seem.
> Although it does take some time to train, if you stick with it, it really
> works well.

If by "train", you mean give thumbs up and down to shows I like and don't
like, that's what I have done. Is there some special setup I have missed?

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Mike Hunt wrote:

> It's never recorded anything as a suggestion for me after I gave it three
> thumbs down.

Giving three thumbs down on an episode tells TiVo that you hate the
episode, hate the series, hate the director, hate the stars and
the guest stars. Three thumbs down results in collateral damage, so
use it sparingly.
-Joe

 

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* Fred Bloggs wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> I agree - I hate the suggestions - for all of the above reasons. I know that
> some people love them, that it is TiVo's pride and joy and is used to
> justify the service charge. But I got fed up with TiVo switching from a
> program I was watching live while I was out of the room

This I hate. I only recently enabled suggestions to keep an eye on space
and just recently had this happen to me. It has not been happening
frequently so I can live with it for now.

>(typically I watch
> live sporting events and news) or asking me permission to change channels so
> that it could record a suggestion.

If it did this I wouldn't mind, but it just switched. (Dtivo) It does
ask for scheduled shows.

> It also cluttered up the now playing list
> with stuff that I don't care about.

With folders this is moot, all of them are in one folder called
suggestions, in fact this makes it a much better 'space gauge'. If you
assume everything is at least 1/2 hour, the number of programs is listed
next to the folder, some quick math and you have a good approximation.

> Most people I know who are new to TiVo
> complain about the junk that gets recorded, and once they understand the
> process make a decision on the "goodness" of the feature, many seem to end
> up turning it off.

I was one of the above until recently and I have had my Tivos for ~2
years. We shall see how it goes.

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On 2005-08-09, SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:
> * Fred Bloggs wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> I agree - I hate the suggestions - for all of the above reasons. I know that
>> some people love them, that it is TiVo's pride and joy and is used to
>> justify the service charge. But I got fed up with TiVo switching from a
>> program I was watching live while I was out of the room
>
> This I hate. I only recently enabled suggestions to keep an eye on space
> and just recently had this happen to me. It has not been happening
> frequently so I can live with it for now.

Solved by not watching live TV. I would have a very hard time going back
to watching live TV. Even for sporting events and news, I record it
instead of watching it live.

>>(typically I watch
>> live sporting events and news) or asking me permission to change channels so
>> that it could record a suggestion.
>
> If it did this I wouldn't mind, but it just switched. (Dtivo) It does
> ask for scheduled shows.

It always asks, even for suggestions. Perhaps you weren't around when it
did ask? (this is how both my SA1 and DTiVo1 work, I guess series2 boxes
could be different)

>> Most people I know who are new to TiVo
>> complain about the junk that gets recorded, and once they understand the
>> process make a decision on the "goodness" of the feature, many seem to end
>> up turning it off.
>
> I was one of the above until recently and I have had my Tivos for ~2
> years. We shall see how it goes.

Most people I know with TiVo have suggestions on and generally enjoy the
things TiVo picks for them. Of course, one has to train the TiVo first
before it starts really working well.

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One thing TiVo lacks is a reminder/scheduler
WITHOUT recording feature.Which is the biggest reason I keep my WEBTV
Plus unit hooked up to my entertainment/TV system.WEBTV Plus has this
feature,and I find it useful to schedule live sporting games and
events,but I do not want to record them.To me,watching sports is best
LIVE anyway.I do not want some inconsiderate jerk telling me the score
of the game before I have viewed it.
If TiVo had this,I would probably use it a lot.

 

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* Mike Hunt wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> On 2005-08-09, SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:
>> * Fred Bloggs wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

>>> I agree - I hate the suggestions - for all of the above reasons. I know that
>>> some people love them, that it is TiVo's pride and joy and is used to
>>> justify the service charge. But I got fed up with TiVo switching from a
>>> program I was watching live while I was out of the room

>> This I hate. I only recently enabled suggestions to keep an eye on space
>> and just recently had this happen to me. It has not been happening
>> frequently so I can live with it for now.

> Solved by not watching live TV. I would have a very hard time going back
> to watching live TV. Even for sporting events and news, I record it
> instead of watching it live.

Yeah, I dont watch much if any. Sometime I use the TV for background
noise so I dont 'burn' a show that I schedule. Someimtes I get myself
involved in the 'noise'. Its usually a movie anyway. no commercials and
no real difference from live in this scenario, but I agree.

>>>(typically I watch
>>> live sporting events and news) or asking me permission to change channels so
>>> that it could record a suggestion.

>> If it did this I wouldn't mind, but it just switched. (Dtivo) It does
>> ask for scheduled shows.

> It always asks, even for suggestions. Perhaps you weren't around when it
> did ask?

I suppose its possible. I will keep a closer eye.

> (this is how both my SA1 and DTiVo1 work, I guess series2 boxes
> could be different)

>>> Most people I know who are new to TiVo
>>> complain about the junk that gets recorded, and once they understand the
>>> process make a decision on the "goodness" of the feature, many seem to end
>>> up turning it off.

>> I was one of the above until recently and I have had my Tivos for ~2
>> years. We shall see how it goes.

> Most people I know with TiVo have suggestions on and generally enjoy the
> things TiVo picks for them. Of course, one has to train the TiVo first
> before it starts really working well.

I have had them off since the day after I plugged them both in. I just
turned them on on one of the Tivo's to see how I like it.

So far only one complaint.

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to do.

 

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"SAC 441" <SAC441@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7810-42F82DB2-997@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
> One thing TiVo lacks is a reminder/scheduler
> WITHOUT recording feature.Which is the biggest reason I keep my WEBTV
> Plus unit hooked up to my entertainment/TV system.WEBTV Plus has this
> feature,and I find it useful to schedule live sporting games and
> events,but I do not want to record them.To me,watching sports is best
> LIVE anyway.I do not want some inconsiderate jerk telling me the score
> of the game before I have viewed it.
> If TiVo had this,I would probably use it a lot.

Just because you schedule a recording doesn't mean you can't watch it while
it's on. Schedule the recording, watch it in real time right after it starts,
delete the recording as soon as it's over. That accomplishes exactly what you
want and prevents Tivo from trying to record something else in the middle of
your game/show.

Ken

 

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"SINNER" <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote in message
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>* Fred Bloggs wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> I agree - I hate the suggestions - for all of the above reasons. I know
>> that
>> some people love them, that it is TiVo's pride and joy and is used to
>> justify the service charge. But I got fed up with TiVo switching from a
>> program I was watching live while I was out of the room
>
> This I hate. I only recently enabled suggestions to keep an eye on space
> and just recently had this happen to me. It has not been happening
> frequently so I can live with it for now.

On the very rare occasion that I want to watch something live, I still tell
Tivo to record it. I can watch it live, Tivo won't try to change the channel,
and if I really want to go back and watch part of it again, I can. Otherwise
I delete it when the show is over. Plus, if something comes up like a phone
call during the show, I can pause it (for more than 30 minutes) and not miss
anything.

Ken

 

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:25:21 -0400, "Ken Alverson"
<USENET.Ken@Alverson.net> wrote:

> On the very rare occasion that I want to watch something live, I still tell
> Tivo to record it. I can watch it live, Tivo won't try to change the channel,
> and if I really want to go back and watch part of it again, I can. Otherwise
> I delete it when the show is over. Plus, if something comes up like a phone
> call during the show, I can pause it (for more than 30 minutes) and not miss
> anything.

Plus if your plans change and you miss it, it'll still be there.
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* Ken Alverson Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> "SINNER" <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote in message
> news:6lals2xq8r.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com...
>>* Fred Bloggs wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>
>>> I agree - I hate the suggestions - for all of the above reasons.
>>> I know that
>>> some people love them, that it is TiVo's pride and joy and is
>>> used to justify the service charge. But I got fed up with TiVo
>>> switching from a program I was watching live while I was out of
>>> the room
>>
>> This I hate. I only recently enabled suggestions to keep an eye
>> on space and just recently had this happen to me. It has not been
>> happening frequently so I can live with it for now.
>
> On the very rare occasion that I want to watch something live, I
> still tell Tivo to record it. I can watch it live, Tivo won't try
> to change the channel, and if I really want to go back and watch
> part of it again, I can. Otherwise I delete it when the show is
> over. Plus, if something comes up like a phone call during the
> show, I can pause it (for more than 30 minutes) and not miss
> anything.

Great Idea, implimented


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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Stephen Harris wrote:

> http/tivo.drosoph.com/
>
> Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down, Thumbs Up, 7, 8 -- "DESCRIPTION PREVIEW"
>
> Do it in Now Playing, turns on the "Description Preview" in the Now
> Playing List. This allows you to see a short description for each
> recording while scrolling through the now playing list.
>


One of my Tivos got the 7.2 upgrade the other night and this really nice
backdoor has been either removed or moved to another key sequence :-(