iPad Mini May Hurt Android Tablet Vendors

[ruffopurititiwang]

watcha, I can stream 3D 1080p MKV movies to my wifi enabled Samsung 3D tv using mg galaxy S2 phone. uPNP baby.... I can download torrent files using my phone... I can also use uTorrent remote. so there.

 

[ruffopurititiwang]

If your device can't play MKV, AVI, FLAC, and numerous other formats that are supported by other devices, then it sucks.

 

[beayn]

watcha: The Apple College of Fanboism doesn't count as an education. Neither does your correspondence highschool diploma.

The article I linked pointed out that Apple simply made the claims without anything to back it up, but we all know you simply believe whatever they say anyway.

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]obsama1[/nom]From the one with a Mac Pro as an avatar. Hmm. But, please, continue.You might just have gotten unlucky. All the reviews on Engadget, CNET, and YouTube reviews all say that the Prime is on par or better than the iPad. I believe that you are either unlucky, or just trolling.[/citation]

Definitely not trolling...maybe all the Best Buys in my area just got the same bad batch. That's a realistic possibility.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]ruffopurititiwang[/nom]If your device can't play MKV, AVI, FLAC, and numerous other formats that are supported by other devices, then it sucks.[/citation]

I have VLC on my iPad and my iPhone. What device are you talking about? VLC is not even on Android yet.

 

[Guest]

ios will and always suck, its built to benefit someone with no knowledge on how to run programs, or program or use a device for anything good.

apple sucks, they always have, its overpriced junk.

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]I have VLC on my iPad and my iPhone. What device are you talking about? VLC is not even on Android yet.[/citation]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't VLC Player removed from the App Store because of a conflict between Apple terms of use and the GNU GPL?

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]xanonx[/nom]ios will and always suck, its built to benefit someone with no knowledge on how to run programs, or program or use a device for anything good.apple sucks, they always have, its overpriced junk.[/citation]

Troll much?

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]beardguy[/nom]Apple's iPad is way overpriced, and has been since it's release. All the competition has to do is release a solid tablet with good specs and a much lower price point. Still hasn't really happened yet. I know a lot of people who own iPads, and yes they are nice. But my impression has always been "meh". No way they are worth the money. Say what you will, tablets are a novelty device. If you have $600 to fork over for surfing the internet on your couch, go for it. That said, if they were $200, I would buy one.[/citation]

Tablets are great media/content consumption devices because of their form-factor, IMO. ...a bit more convenient (and in Apple's case more durable) than a laptop.

 

[watcha]

[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]watcha: The Apple College of Fanboism doesn't count as an education. Neither does your correspondence highschool diploma.[/citation]

Wow, you really ZINGED ME! Good one. (lol)

[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]The article I linked pointed out that Apple simply made the claims without anything to back it up, but we all know you simply believe whatever they say anyway.[/citation]

The fact that your article doesn't even deny the claims is exactly my point.

I told you why I believe them, with benchmarks. Try to understand next time.

 

[watcha]

[citation][nom]ruffopurititiwang[/nom]watcha, I can stream 3D 1080p MKV movies to my wifi enabled Samsung 3D tv using mg galaxy S2 phone. uPNP baby.... I can download torrent files using my phone... I can also use uTorrent remote. so there.[/citation]

Streaming movies isn't the same thing as displaying whatever you see on your phone on a big screen. For that, you need iPhone or iPad, 'baby'.

Don't really know why you're ranting on about torrents since you can download those on pretty much any phone.

 

[beayn]

watcha: As usual, you're too stupid to understand and I have to explain, even Apple did not quote any sources for their "benchmarks" when they advertised being 4x faster. That's the whole point. You can't just make shit up without quoting a source (which you're quite fond of doing with Apple products ie: iphone antenna is SO UNIQUE it doesn't work like normal antennas).

Apple has to list exactly which benchmarks are 4x faster. This does not mean the watcha can make up some benchmarks to go in their place. APPLE has to back up their claims.

There are all kinds of benchmarks and all kinds of cases where companies list their product as being faster. Graphics cards love to list specific games that happen to be optimized for their product or driver version. This doesn't mean their card is faster, it means their card is faster for that particular game because it's optimized for said card or driver version. There are also cases where ATI hacked their driver to get better performance out of 3dmark etc.

I realize this is difficult for the watcha to understand, since Apple has claimed that it's 4x faster and the lord Jobs sacrificed his life to save yours. It's tough for you to see things logically and objectively in the face of such faith and dedication to your religion.

 

[watcha]

1 - ROFL @ you bringing up the antenna issue. Your whole point during that whole saga was that it could 'only' be a physical hardware fault. That remains untrue, you remain 100% incorrect about that. I said the design was unique - which it clearly is. Indeed, your whole point depends on the fact that the unique design caused reception issues in rare minority cases. I never stated that the laws of physics changed. As I stated at the time, and still true to this day, I could write software on even the new iPhone (which corrected the issue) - which imitated the signal loss by software. Even now, to this day, you've never properly understood what was being said, you just don't get it. Before you write a big rant in reply to this, failing to understand it even now - re-read and try to be balanced. Also bear in mind that I have no intention to devolve this thread into your irrelevant tears about an argument you lost years ago and still can't get over.

2 - I don't disagree that ideally Apple should back up their claims - I never said they shouldn't. What I did say is that they could, and that in my opinion the claims are not untrue in certain benchmarks. As evidenced by the links I posted

3 - I also agree that all companies do it, and it tends to be the most flattering benchmark. But to blame the claim on the benchmark selection is a bit of a fail, because even the iPad 2 GPU is faster than the Tegra 3 GPU in every benchmark I've seen, not just certain select benchmarks. The MP4 version is faster and is therefore logically it too will be faster across the board. While it may not always be 4x faster (it could be, though) - it probably is in some circumstances, which could arguably be enough for Apple to make the claim.

4 - You accuse me of not seeing things logically, but you're simply misunderstanding my points. If your point IS NOT that the claim is incorrect, but just that Apple should have said what benchmark it referred to, I agree. But then you're not disproving Apples claim at all, so I don't really see any relevance when customers are looking at buying the new iPad or not. If your claim IS that the claim is incorrect, then the benchmarks and evidence I have provided prove that they have a legitimate claim to those numbers.

Perfectly logical, perfectly obvious. And it has nothing to do with anything 'Apple' has claimed - it's purely based on benchmarks from impartial websites.

 

[icemunk]

It'll be released with last years specs, a bunch of charts trying to prove it is faster than the quad-cores with its lower speed dual core, and the same Apple badget and bullshit that follows all its products.

 

[beayn]

haha here you go again watcha! You were 100% incorrect about the antenna issue. You claimed you could detect "hand interference" in software and correct it, bypassing the whole physical signal loss issue. Anandtech even had a full article explaining just how wrong you were, but you conveniently ignored the post in which I listed that article. YOU CAN NOT bypass signal loss in software. Sorry dude.

You are absolutely not logical. You're the most illogical, nonsensical, moronic and conceited Apple Fanboy Tom's has ever seen.

And yes, my point was exactly that - Apple did not provide any benchmarks to back up their claims. You simply inserted your own benchmarks and claimed it was true. It's something you really should get away from. Making stuff up to back yourself or Apple's claims up just makes you look that much more retarded.

As for "every benchmark you've seen", considering the company you keep in Fanboyland, I have no doubt you saw all those APPLE IS TEH PWNAGE benchmarks. If, however, you do a simple google search, you find some saying Tegra 3 is faster, some saying ipad2 is faster, and some saying the GLBenchmark is heavily iOS optimized, which is exactly the point I made.

When Apple provides the actual benchmarks used, and shows dominant scores across the board in a multitude of tests, AND uses an unbiased benchmark that is optimized for BOTH systems, then you can brag about it. Otherwise, I have a benchmark here that shows Tegra 3 SMOKES iPad 2 by 12x, and since the ipad 3 is only 2x faster than ipad2, that means my Tegra 3 is 3x faster than the ipad 3!!! BOOYA!!

 

[halcyon]

Well, to be fair, right now the Asus Transformer Prime is the only tablet with the Tegra 3...and the Transformer Prime simply has more quality control issues than any iPad. Even if the Transformer Prime's Tegra 3 is faster than the A5 or A5X I'd rather have the better overall tablet...and based on actual usage, in my opinion that's the iPad.

Who knows, perhaps the 3rd generation iPad will have some of the same flaws I've seen and read about with the Transformer Prime:

* Dead and stuck pixels (this really bothered me...5 Transformer Primes all with display issues)
* GPS issues (I read about that, never saw it myself...but never used the GPS in the 5 weeks I used the Transformer Primes)
* WiFi issues (TBH, I didn't ever have any WiFi issues with the Transformer Prime...looks like they may have actually fixed that too)

The new iPad may have these issues or something worse. I'll see for sure since two are on the way for me.

I still wonder how you reliably sync iTunes music and playlists to Android tablets but its probably so easy that I overlooked it. No...Double Twist is not the answer since its not reliable (at least it wasn't in my experience).

Bottom line is that the 3rd generation iPad will likely be a nice device that does indeed sell well...no matter whether or not its faster than Tegra 3 or not.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't VLC Player removed from the App Store because of a conflict between Apple terms of use and the GNU GPL?[/citation]

No you are correct and VLC has since released other VLC applications that are currently in the market place followed by about 20 other vendors that have released apps to take VLC's place and do the exact same thing. The point was based on that persons statement. Any iDevice can play all those formats that he mentioned from a number of different applications.

 

[ap3x]

Anand did an analysis: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5663/analysis-of-the-new-apple-ipad

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]haha here you go again watcha! You were 100% incorrect about the antenna issue. You claimed you could detect "hand interference" in software and correct it, bypassing the whole physical signal loss issue. Anandtech even had a full article explaining just how wrong you were, but you conveniently ignored the post in which I listed that article. YOU CAN NOT bypass signal loss in software. Sorry dude.You are absolutely not logical. You're the most illogical, nonsensical, moronic and conceited Apple Fanboy Tom's has ever seen. And yes, my point was exactly that - Apple did not provide any benchmarks to back up their claims. You simply inserted your own benchmarks and claimed it was true. It's something you really should get away from. Making stuff up to back yourself or Apple's claims up just makes you look that much more retarded.As for "every benchmark you've seen", considering the company you keep in Fanboyland, I have no doubt you saw all those APPLE IS TEH PWNAGE benchmarks. If, however, you do a simple google search, you find some saying Tegra 3 is faster, some saying ipad2 is faster, and some saying the GLBenchmark is heavily iOS optimized, which is exactly the point I made.When Apple provides the actual benchmarks used, and shows dominant scores across the board in a multitude of tests, AND uses an unbiased benchmark that is optimized for BOTH systems, then you can brag about it. Otherwise, I have a benchmark here that shows Tegra 3 SMOKES iPad 2 by 12x, and since the ipad 3 is only 2x faster than ipad2, that means my Tegra 3 is 3x faster than the ipad 3!!! BOOYA!![/citation]

So you are basically saying, you have 1 benchmark that says that Tegra 3 is 12x faster than the iPad but you are calling all other reviews that show the iPad 2 as being slightly faster than Tegra as biased? Could you waive a flag any harder with that BS?

 

[adamboy64]

I find a 7" tablet fits in my pocket fine. Don't know about a 7.85" tablet - that'd be pushing it.

If Apple put phone/text capabilities in this iPad Mini tablet, it would be an absolute killer. Thankfully, Samsung are the only ones smart enough to do that.