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House70
'that means, most of them were already brainwashed?'
No, it means customer RETENTION - a sign of a company doing things right. This is people who have experienced the product and want more.
Strider-Hiryu_79
'So that makes 1.7million people that "hold their phones the wrong way" according to apple'
Firstly, this problem only happens of a few handsets not all. Secondly, the majority of people don't hold their phone in a way that would cause any problems. Thirdly, is it so difficult to hold a phone without specifically aiming to make the reception go away? You're all such drama queens. You wouldn't hold the phone with your hand covering the screen either - I don't see you all crying about that.
Also, the 'rubber band' is not a solution to any signal problems, it's a solution to protect the phone.
'that means, most of them were already brainwashed?'
No, it means customer RETENTION - a sign of a company doing things right. This is people who have experienced the product and want more.
Strider-Hiryu_79
'So that makes 1.7million people that "hold their phones the wrong way" according to apple'
Firstly, this problem only happens of a few handsets not all. Secondly, the majority of people don't hold their phone in a way that would cause any problems. Thirdly, is it so difficult to hold a phone without specifically aiming to make the reception go away? You're all such drama queens. You wouldn't hold the phone with your hand covering the screen either - I don't see you all crying about that.
Also, the 'rubber band' is not a solution to any signal problems, it's a solution to protect the phone.
hythos:
'The Apple thinking of having to hold the unit up-right for the main view is absolutely absurd'
Sorry what now? Maybe you're using it wrong.
'Also, the phone is too sensitive, often mis-dialing numbers while simply scrolling through my 'recents' list'
You mean you're too incompetent to use a phone which has been described as the most user friendly ever? Did you ever think the issue may be you?
'You can also only delete ALL of the phone-log and not single entries'
That sounds absolutely devastating, maybe you can sue for damages. (Is this guy for real?)
'Apple is all hype. I can name 20 people whom have bought the iPhone because they are Apple fanbois / gurls (sympathizers)'
No, you can name 20 people who you jealously label fanboys because they're able to appreciate a good product when they see one, or know from experience that Apple products in general are extremely user friendly AND reliable.
'I have found nearer to 50 whom have bought an iPhone because they want to be hip and cool like everyone else'
Again, your inferiority complex making assumptions about other peoples motives, maybe they just wanted a good phone? Did that ever occur to you?
'and consequently will never use any of the 'applications' they claim was the reason they purchased it for'
Yeah, you're right. What was that figure Steve Jobs quoted, 17 app downloads per iphone? Looks clear that nobody is using apps then? LMFAO!
'Apple = hype, unreliable, fast downloads when possible.'
Firstly, apple products are well known universally for being exceptionally reliable. 'Hype' is not an insult at all - it's just your bitter way of saying that they have an excellent marketing department.
'The Apple thinking of having to hold the unit up-right for the main view is absolutely absurd'
Sorry what now? Maybe you're using it wrong.
'Also, the phone is too sensitive, often mis-dialing numbers while simply scrolling through my 'recents' list'
You mean you're too incompetent to use a phone which has been described as the most user friendly ever? Did you ever think the issue may be you?
'You can also only delete ALL of the phone-log and not single entries'
That sounds absolutely devastating, maybe you can sue for damages. (Is this guy for real?)
'Apple is all hype. I can name 20 people whom have bought the iPhone because they are Apple fanbois / gurls (sympathizers)'
No, you can name 20 people who you jealously label fanboys because they're able to appreciate a good product when they see one, or know from experience that Apple products in general are extremely user friendly AND reliable.
'I have found nearer to 50 whom have bought an iPhone because they want to be hip and cool like everyone else'
Again, your inferiority complex making assumptions about other peoples motives, maybe they just wanted a good phone? Did that ever occur to you?
'and consequently will never use any of the 'applications' they claim was the reason they purchased it for'
Yeah, you're right. What was that figure Steve Jobs quoted, 17 app downloads per iphone? Looks clear that nobody is using apps then? LMFAO!
'Apple = hype, unreliable, fast downloads when possible.'
Firstly, apple products are well known universally for being exceptionally reliable. 'Hype' is not an insult at all - it's just your bitter way of saying that they have an excellent marketing department.
@watcha So sensitive about your iPride. Your response is why so many people on this board hate Apple Fanboys such as yourself. Making their products out to be totally 100% infallible and superior in every way to everything else out there, when there are in fact better products available. The "Hype" people speak of is why those superior products go unnoticed by Apple fans.
People do indeed buy Apple stuff because they think it's cool and hip. They do buy Apple stuff because of the hype alone. That is exactly what Apple plays on in their marketing. If they didn't build the hype and make it appear cool, they wouldn't have the market share or the reputation they do. Really now, you don't think they are oblivious to their own marketing strategy?
As for Apple products being exceptionally reliable, the few iphone users I know complain about it crashing constantly. Apple products are not very popular around here, but if a few people in this area have them and have problems, that's not a good track record. People can only speak from experience unless they're going to find a worldwide credible survey somewhere. Your experience may be good (or perfect as you make it out to be) but other people have not had such luck.
People do indeed buy Apple stuff because they think it's cool and hip. They do buy Apple stuff because of the hype alone. That is exactly what Apple plays on in their marketing. If they didn't build the hype and make it appear cool, they wouldn't have the market share or the reputation they do. Really now, you don't think they are oblivious to their own marketing strategy?
As for Apple products being exceptionally reliable, the few iphone users I know complain about it crashing constantly. Apple products are not very popular around here, but if a few people in this area have them and have problems, that's not a good track record. People can only speak from experience unless they're going to find a worldwide credible survey somewhere. Your experience may be good (or perfect as you make it out to be) but other people have not had such luck.
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The iPhone 4 has been available in the UK for a few days; I know two people who have upgraded to them and people won't shut up about it on Facebook. It's as if they've never seen a non-Apple smartphone. Can't help when even the media won't stop plugging it.
beayn
'@watcha So sensitive about your iPride. Your response is why so many people on this board hate Apple Fanboys such as yourself.'
Firstly, I'm not an Apple fanboy, I don't even own one single Apple product. I am just a normal, logical person who can see a good product without being jealous. You're an anti-Apple fanboy - and the rest of the world laughs at you for your pathetic pride in not using a product just because it's made by Apple.
'Making their products out to be totally 100% infallible'
Yeah cos that's what I said?
'Superior in every way to everything else out there'
Have you read EVERY SINGLE REVIEW of the Iphone4? It isn't just my view, it is the COLLECTIVE EDUCATED VIEW. Why do you think they get so many sales? Do you think it's because people liked their Iphones, or because they didn't like their iphones?
'when there are in fact better products available.'
The majority of the rest of the world disagrees with you on this, including pretty much every single independent website or magazine which has reviewed it.
'The "Hype" people speak of is why those superior products go unnoticed by Apple fans.'
Isn't that a fault of their competitors not marketing the products properly? Are Apple now bad because they Market better? Not only that, but if there were better products out there the INDEPENDANT reviews would reflect that.
'People do indeed buy Apple stuff because they think it's cool and hip. They do buy Apple stuff because of the hype alone. That is exactly what Apple plays on in their marketing'
Since when can you speak for the millions of people who buy the Apple products? And EVEN IF THEY BUY IT TO BE COOL, so what? That makes the Apple products better than others because they're cooler? If that's what people want - then Apple is giving people what they want. Infact, whatever the reason why so many people buy, the bottom line is that Apple is giving it to them.
'As for Apple products being exceptionally reliable, the few iphone users I know complain about it crashing constantly'
Yeah that's why the majority of orders of the new iphone are from people who own the old one. They figured what with all the 'imaginary' crashing that you claim they may aswell face more of the same? Wake up - a couple of stories about a product crashing means nothing.
'Your experience may be good (or perfect as you make it out to be) but other people have not had such luck.'
The global experience of Iphones is SO GOOD such that the majority of the people ordering new ones are the people WHO HAVE OWNED AND USED THEM. You clearly don't, you clearly haven't, and you just proved you have a tiny frame of reference in which to make a judgement. I will post an ACTUAL SURVEY carried out after this post, to prove my point.
'@watcha So sensitive about your iPride. Your response is why so many people on this board hate Apple Fanboys such as yourself.'
Firstly, I'm not an Apple fanboy, I don't even own one single Apple product. I am just a normal, logical person who can see a good product without being jealous. You're an anti-Apple fanboy - and the rest of the world laughs at you for your pathetic pride in not using a product just because it's made by Apple.
'Making their products out to be totally 100% infallible'
Yeah cos that's what I said?
'Superior in every way to everything else out there'
Have you read EVERY SINGLE REVIEW of the Iphone4? It isn't just my view, it is the COLLECTIVE EDUCATED VIEW. Why do you think they get so many sales? Do you think it's because people liked their Iphones, or because they didn't like their iphones?
'when there are in fact better products available.'
The majority of the rest of the world disagrees with you on this, including pretty much every single independent website or magazine which has reviewed it.
'The "Hype" people speak of is why those superior products go unnoticed by Apple fans.'
Isn't that a fault of their competitors not marketing the products properly? Are Apple now bad because they Market better? Not only that, but if there were better products out there the INDEPENDANT reviews would reflect that.
'People do indeed buy Apple stuff because they think it's cool and hip. They do buy Apple stuff because of the hype alone. That is exactly what Apple plays on in their marketing'
Since when can you speak for the millions of people who buy the Apple products? And EVEN IF THEY BUY IT TO BE COOL, so what? That makes the Apple products better than others because they're cooler? If that's what people want - then Apple is giving people what they want. Infact, whatever the reason why so many people buy, the bottom line is that Apple is giving it to them.
'As for Apple products being exceptionally reliable, the few iphone users I know complain about it crashing constantly'
Yeah that's why the majority of orders of the new iphone are from people who own the old one. They figured what with all the 'imaginary' crashing that you claim they may aswell face more of the same? Wake up - a couple of stories about a product crashing means nothing.
'Your experience may be good (or perfect as you make it out to be) but other people have not had such luck.'
The global experience of Iphones is SO GOOD such that the majority of the people ordering new ones are the people WHO HAVE OWNED AND USED THEM. You clearly don't, you clearly haven't, and you just proved you have a tiny frame of reference in which to make a judgement. I will post an ACTUAL SURVEY carried out after this post, to prove my point.
Computerworld - Apple iPhone users are almost twice as likely to say that they're "very satisfied" with their smartphone than second-place RIM and its BlackBerry, a research firm said today.
According to ChangeWave Research, which polled more then 4,200 American consumers last month, 74% of those who own an iPhone said they were very satisfied with the device. Only 43% of the people who own a BlackBerry said the same.
"Apple's most impressive accomplishment is its customer satisfaction rating," said Paul Carton, ChangeWave's research director. "People buy smartphones because they want to be very satisfied. If they didn't, they would have bought a regular phone."
Calling Apple's numbers "on a different planet," Carton pointed out that Apple's overall satisfaction rating among consumers -- those who said they were "satisfied" or "very satisfied" -- was 99%. "It doesn't get much better than that," Carton said. "There are few things in life where you can say you're 99% satisfied."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139984/iPhone_satisfaction_rating_on_a_different_planet_says_survey
Actual evidence. Damn, that really destroys all of your points, don't you think?
According to ChangeWave Research, which polled more then 4,200 American consumers last month, 74% of those who own an iPhone said they were very satisfied with the device. Only 43% of the people who own a BlackBerry said the same.
"Apple's most impressive accomplishment is its customer satisfaction rating," said Paul Carton, ChangeWave's research director. "People buy smartphones because they want to be very satisfied. If they didn't, they would have bought a regular phone."
Calling Apple's numbers "on a different planet," Carton pointed out that Apple's overall satisfaction rating among consumers -- those who said they were "satisfied" or "very satisfied" -- was 99%. "It doesn't get much better than that," Carton said. "There are few things in life where you can say you're 99% satisfied."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139984/iPhone_satisfaction_rating_on_a_different_planet_says_survey
Actual evidence. Damn, that really destroys all of your points, don't you think?
[citation][nom]house70[/nom]"Most of those buyers were upgraders."that means, most of them were already brainwashed?[/citation]
No it means most of the buyers aren't computer literate but somehow have taken interest in wasting their life away with their iPhones.
No it means most of the buyers aren't computer literate but somehow have taken interest in wasting their life away with their iPhones.
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The only peeps who accept the reception as a software issue are the Apple fan boys. Bottom line is 1.7 million people bought a phone that when held improperly gives a reduced reception reading. This is NOT entirely a software issue as it DIRECTLY correlates to physical interaction with hardware. A software only malfunction is just that. SOFTWARE. Holding the phone causes a hardware anomaly that obviously causes the signal meter to report something is amiss and the software displays that. This is a best a combination of hardware and software and believe it or not... Apple poorly designed something... and there is NO WAY you will ever convince me that they were not aware of this prior to release. But I guess when you manufacture nearly 2 million phones it's hard to recoup that investment if you don't actually sell them.
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[citation][nom]Hellbound[/nom]With the whole antenna issue. I wonder how long till a phrase like "iPhone Hold" is coined.. Or will "don't hold it that" live forever...[/citation]
Out now the iHold for iPhone so you can hold your iPhone the way steve jobs intended. only $99.99! call now!
Out now the iHold for iPhone so you can hold your iPhone the way steve jobs intended. only $99.99! call now!
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[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]Computerworld - Apple iPhone users are almost twice as likely to say that they're "very satisfied" with their smartphone than second-place RIM and its BlackBerry, a research firm said today.According to ChangeWave Research, which polled more then 4,200 American consumers last month, 74% of those who own an iPhone said they were very satisfied with the device. Only 43% of the people who own a BlackBerry said the same."Apple's most impressive accomplishment is its customer satisfaction rating," said Paul Carton, ChangeWave's research director. "People buy smartphones because they want to be very satisfied. If they didn't, they would have bought a regular phone."Calling Apple's numbers "on a different planet," Carton pointed out that Apple's overall satisfaction rating among consumers -- those who said they were "satisfied" or "very satisfied" -- was 99%. "It doesn't get much better than that," Carton said. "There are few things in life where you can say you're 99% satisfied."http://www.computerworld.com/s/art [...] ays_surveyActual evidence. Damn, that really destroys all of your points, don't you think?[/citation]
I have a PCmag here from a couple of years ago that said that the AMD 4x4 setup was far superior to the intel quad core cpu and 2 dualgpu cards based solely on price. When you look at the performance, power usage and heat though the AMD falls flat ...
Well its the same thing here...and I dont want to blow your mind or anything but magazine authors can also be biased. I'll give you a minute to collect the pieces of your skull off the floor since that probably just made your head asplode. You've got to understand that just because apple changes the look of a device doesnt mean they've "reinvented the phone" or the pc or mp3 players. They have their take on things and others have theirs. If you like the apple designs then buy them but dont try to act like they are the second coming because that's the kind of thing that makes people not like you. Well that and the fact that you subsist on asparagus and vinegar and refuse to shower.
I have a PCmag here from a couple of years ago that said that the AMD 4x4 setup was far superior to the intel quad core cpu and 2 dualgpu cards based solely on price. When you look at the performance, power usage and heat though the AMD falls flat ...
Well its the same thing here...and I dont want to blow your mind or anything but magazine authors can also be biased. I'll give you a minute to collect the pieces of your skull off the floor since that probably just made your head asplode. You've got to understand that just because apple changes the look of a device doesnt mean they've "reinvented the phone" or the pc or mp3 players. They have their take on things and others have theirs. If you like the apple designs then buy them but dont try to act like they are the second coming because that's the kind of thing that makes people not like you. Well that and the fact that you subsist on asparagus and vinegar and refuse to shower.
@watcha
'Yeah cos that's what I said?'
Yes, you did. Repeatedly.
'Have you read EVERY SINGLE REVIEW of the Iphone4?'
Yes, I have, I never said it was a crappy product, I said it wasn't the most superior and it still isn't. I mean, you can't even delete an auto-dial number, you have to delete the whole list? haha. One among many. Don't even get me started on expandability and configuration options. It's also about time they added multitasking. It's pretty late in the game for a smartphone to only just acquire that ability. Other phones have had it for ages now.
'It isn't just my view, it is the COLLECTIVE EDUCATED VIEW.'
Educated? Most definitely not. Apple fanboy reviews are the least educated of all. You just proved it because you haven't read every review. All you have to do is google "iphone 4 better than all phones?" to see the very first review says it is NOT better. You'll find just as many great reviews about Android phones as you will iPhones. You are so offended by my post that you are acting like I said the iPhone was a shitty product. I did not say anything of the sort. I only said it was not the #1 product available. If you weren't so blinded by your Apple Education, you'd see that.
'Why do you think they get so many sales?'
Hype. As stated earlier.
'The majority of the rest of the world disagrees with you on this, including pretty much every single independent website or magazine which has reviewed it.'
Please show me the global study on website reviews that you obtained this information from.
'Isn't that a fault of their competitors not marketing the products properly?'
So now you admit it's marketing?
'Since when can you speak for the millions of people who buy the Apple products?'
Ahem, you are the one who have consistently said "the world thinks this and that". You are the one trying to speak for all Apple buyers.
'And EVEN IF THEY BUY IT TO BE COOL, so what? That makes the Apple products better than others because they're cooler?'
Because they think cool is better quality or more advanced when it is not. They refuse to admit that cool is not better. You can't mess with their cool, as you are proving here. If Apple Fans would just say "It's a good product for me" instead of freaking out like you are claiming it's the BESTEST IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, we wouldn't have anything to discuss, would we.
'Yeah that's why the majority of orders of the new iphone are from people who own the old one. They figured what with all the 'imaginary' crashing that you claim they may aswell face more of the same?'
Clearly someone who says their phone crashes is only "claiming" it crashes. I'll let them know that it is just an imaginary crash and the iphone actually never crashes. They can then have your Apple Educated Diploma for $199, signed by Steve Jobs himself. I can tell you, they won't frame it like you did.
'Wake up - a couple of stories about a product crashing means nothing.'
You'd think if the phones had such a perfect track record that the odds would be against the only few people who bought one having any problems. The fact that they do says the odds of having problems is much higher than you let on to be.
'The global experience of Iphones is SO GOOD such that the majority of the people ordering new ones are the people WHO HAVE OWNED AND USED THEM.'
There you go again speaking for the millions of Apple buyers. Who made you their spokeswoman?
Myself, I don't like change. If I have one type of phone, I'll continue to buy that type of phone because it is what I'm used to. I would hazard a guess to say that is why most people stick to one type of phone. Android users will always buy Android phones etc. Again, I never said it was a crappy product, I said it was not #1.
The other reasons for Apple fans continuing to buy Apple products is summed up perfectly in this comic:
http://www.sharenator.com/Apple_Ipride/
'Yeah cos that's what I said?'
Yes, you did. Repeatedly.
'Have you read EVERY SINGLE REVIEW of the Iphone4?'
Yes, I have, I never said it was a crappy product, I said it wasn't the most superior and it still isn't. I mean, you can't even delete an auto-dial number, you have to delete the whole list? haha. One among many. Don't even get me started on expandability and configuration options. It's also about time they added multitasking. It's pretty late in the game for a smartphone to only just acquire that ability. Other phones have had it for ages now.
'It isn't just my view, it is the COLLECTIVE EDUCATED VIEW.'
Educated? Most definitely not. Apple fanboy reviews are the least educated of all. You just proved it because you haven't read every review. All you have to do is google "iphone 4 better than all phones?" to see the very first review says it is NOT better. You'll find just as many great reviews about Android phones as you will iPhones. You are so offended by my post that you are acting like I said the iPhone was a shitty product. I did not say anything of the sort. I only said it was not the #1 product available. If you weren't so blinded by your Apple Education, you'd see that.
'Why do you think they get so many sales?'
Hype. As stated earlier.
'The majority of the rest of the world disagrees with you on this, including pretty much every single independent website or magazine which has reviewed it.'
Please show me the global study on website reviews that you obtained this information from.
'Isn't that a fault of their competitors not marketing the products properly?'
So now you admit it's marketing?
'Since when can you speak for the millions of people who buy the Apple products?'
Ahem, you are the one who have consistently said "the world thinks this and that". You are the one trying to speak for all Apple buyers.
'And EVEN IF THEY BUY IT TO BE COOL, so what? That makes the Apple products better than others because they're cooler?'
Because they think cool is better quality or more advanced when it is not. They refuse to admit that cool is not better. You can't mess with their cool, as you are proving here. If Apple Fans would just say "It's a good product for me" instead of freaking out like you are claiming it's the BESTEST IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, we wouldn't have anything to discuss, would we.
'Yeah that's why the majority of orders of the new iphone are from people who own the old one. They figured what with all the 'imaginary' crashing that you claim they may aswell face more of the same?'
Clearly someone who says their phone crashes is only "claiming" it crashes. I'll let them know that it is just an imaginary crash and the iphone actually never crashes. They can then have your Apple Educated Diploma for $199, signed by Steve Jobs himself. I can tell you, they won't frame it like you did.
'Wake up - a couple of stories about a product crashing means nothing.'
You'd think if the phones had such a perfect track record that the odds would be against the only few people who bought one having any problems. The fact that they do says the odds of having problems is much higher than you let on to be.
'The global experience of Iphones is SO GOOD such that the majority of the people ordering new ones are the people WHO HAVE OWNED AND USED THEM.'
There you go again speaking for the millions of Apple buyers. Who made you their spokeswoman?
Myself, I don't like change. If I have one type of phone, I'll continue to buy that type of phone because it is what I'm used to. I would hazard a guess to say that is why most people stick to one type of phone. Android users will always buy Android phones etc. Again, I never said it was a crappy product, I said it was not #1.
The other reasons for Apple fans continuing to buy Apple products is summed up perfectly in this comic:
http://www.sharenator.com/Apple_Ipride/
How about all you iphone haters stop hating and all you iphone lovers stop gloating then we wouldn't have this senseless argument about what I own/like is better then yours. I really don't give a damn which is technically superior. I've owned the nexus one and the iphone as well as the g1.... Being able to hack the iphone for the apps makes it more enjoyable for me, but others might like tweaking stuff here and there (android). Battery life of both phones suck in my opinion. So guys STFU about downing other peoples things. I hate constantly how people make themselves feel better by saying "you own an iphone so you are computer illiterate" or "Apple robs people" (when in fact my nexus one cost more than my iphone. Outside the US smartphones without contracts consistently sell for 500+ when released. Like the n95 8gb I bought years back for 550.
[citation][nom]hythos[/nom]Damn comment editor cut me off ... Also, the phone is too sensitive, often mis-dialing numbers while simply scrolling through my 'recents' list. [/citation]
it cuts you off cuz your not supposed to write a book on here...
i dont understand how you have trouble using the screen.
it cuts you off cuz your not supposed to write a book on here...
i dont understand how you have trouble using the screen.
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[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]House70 'that means, most of them were already brainwashed?'No, it means customer RETENTION - a sign of a company doing things right. This is people who have experienced the product and want more.Strider-Hiryu_79'So that makes 1.7million people that "hold their phones the wrong way" according to apple'Firstly, this problem only happens of a few handsets not all. Secondly, the majority of people don't hold their phone in a way that would cause any problems. Thirdly, is it so difficult to hold a phone without specifically aiming to make the reception go away? You're all such drama queens. You wouldn't hold the phone with your hand covering the screen either - I don't see you all crying about that.Also, the 'rubber band' is not a solution to any signal problems, it's a solution to protect the phone.[/citation]
hahahahhah a butt-hurt apple fan. YOu have a lisp when you talk don't you? hahahahaahhahhahhahhhaah
hahahahhah a butt-hurt apple fan. YOu have a lisp when you talk don't you? hahahahaahhahhahhahhhaah
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Why would anyone holding a phone in a normal manner be held accountable just because it somehow loses its signal? How else are you supposed to hold a smartphone comfortably? And who would actually hold a phone in a manner such as that they cannot even view the screen? Kinda self-defeating.
If the iPhone 4 has such an inherent problem, you have to wonder what Apple were doing releasing defective hardware in the first place. It's not as if they don't test these. How DO Apple employees hold phones? ALL with a rubber case?
I'm still mindful of the poor pin contact of Foxconn P55 sockets. Doesn't Foxconn manufacture the iPhone?
If the iPhone 4 has such an inherent problem, you have to wonder what Apple were doing releasing defective hardware in the first place. It's not as if they don't test these. How DO Apple employees hold phones? ALL with a rubber case?
I'm still mindful of the poor pin contact of Foxconn P55 sockets. Doesn't Foxconn manufacture the iPhone?
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