Is Apple Terribly Undervalued? A Fund Manager Thinks So

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motheninja

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You guys are fucking retards. Here you are complaining that Apple is overvalued? Oh Really? Its fucking undervalued! Now I wouldn't say its $570+ it should be on par like $450 since it was around $420 at its peak around the 4S launch. Even though the 4S broke records, the price fell because of assholes in the press. Dont believe me? Well then FUCK YOU!
 

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Obviously the number of dumb people is far greater than the number of moronic Apple fanboys. So yes I think Apple is undervalued.
 

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A quick check on Yahoo Finance shows P/E ratio over the last 12 months (TTM P/E) of 13.48 (which is albeit different from the claimed projected 8.25 P/E over the next 12 months). Is this low? Microsoft has 9.03, HP has 8.10, Dell has 7.69 TTM P/E. Now the ratio certainly isn't stratospheric like in the case of VMWare (61.79), but low it certainly isn't! The stock price pressure is real, but it has nothing to do with the press or competitors running smear campaigns. It's due to the fear winds coming out of the Europe debt crisis. And it affects all tech companies (VMWare less than others apparently)...

As far as the disparity between company and stock growth, Apple did have the VMWare clout back in the day, so its P/E was stratospheric back then. The current P/E simply means the company has caught up with investor expectations. It also means investors no longer have such wild expectations for the future of the company.

For those not in the know, read the following wikipedia article on P/E:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P/E_ratio
 

martel80

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That random guy probably bought a lot of call options on Apple stock and hopes to make a fortune from it by going pump-and-dump.

Please, don't spread this kind of random/intentional "analysis". Don't support assholes!
 

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Ah, another Fund manager trying to scream "Pay attention to MEEEE!" Wouldn't be surprised if they're out of work in 12 months, WITHOUT any direct relation to whatever Apple's stock price does.

Contrary to what he's trying to fool people into thinking, the P/E ratio doesn't correlate to price growth... It correlates to ACTUAL PRICE. And no, it doesn't correlate 1-to-1, since there's also the question of predicted stability of a company, their volume, as well as the value of their assets. And Apple's assets have not actually grown; they've just gotten more tight-fisted over the past decade, so their profit margin went up.

A strong example: we'll look at Fortune #2, Walmart. They have an ABYSMAL P/E ratio: about 3.6%; Apple's is around two hundred times that. So why is the company the second-most valued one around, and often trades places for #1? Well, they DO happen to have way more in assets than Apple, (and most of Apple's is just stock they can sale, and hence inflated with their stock price) and more importantly, around quadruple the total revenue that Apple has.

If anything, Apple's severely over-valued here, as everyone's been saying: It's a kind of self-feeding loop: higher stock prices inflate the company's value, which then boosts their stock prices, etc. It could almost be a bubble here.

The other part of Apple's growth that should be noticed is their market share and the market's saturation. Apple has pretty much shown that they CAN'T take market share from other companies in an existing market: they have to effectively invent (more of introduce to new audiences) new markets to stake out a share that they'll hold onto. Without that "new market growth," Apple's volume has been rather stagnant.

And in the coming years, this means that, with these new markets exhausted, they won't be able to fuel any more growth. (before any Apple fanboys interrupt, no, not a single time has Apple introduced a product that hadn't already been mildly-known among enthusiasts first... The MP3 player, smartphones, tablets, etc... Were all well-known before Apple slapped an "i" at the front of the names) Furthermore, Apple's volume here is SHRINKING on all fronts: While still dominant in tablets, their share is being chipped away at by tons of competitors, with each new round being more and more threatening, and less laughable. They've fallen to a minority in the smartphone market, and are being pushed back to a minority as Android grows. And while no one's threatening their MP3 player share, that market ITSELF is shrinking, due to over-saturation, and the product's role being subsumed by smartphones. (in other words, the iPhone's cannibalizing the iPod)

Even without the loss of Steve Jobs and his legendary Reality Distortion Field, Apple's decline would still happen. With Steve Jobs gone, this decline is even more assured. My prediction? (since I'm every bit as qualified as a Fund manager, after all; that's not saying much) Apple's stock won't plummet, but we'll see a deflation as their market share and volume erodes. Their total year 2012 price will likely drop down below the $300US mark, and never go back above that again. It'll head towards the $200US mark, but won't hit that until 2013. Prices will likely stabilize somewhere between the $75-150US range.

In other words, I'd not be buying Apple stock... But it'd take too long to be worth Shorting either.
 

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considering the fact that they try and kill innovation and then claim old technologies as their own, I say they are just right on the value... or they are overvalued.
 

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[citation][nom]Dacatak[/nom]Is Apple Terribly Overvalued? A Random Dude Thinks So.[/citation]
Since there's a market cap of 20 thumbs up, I'm starting a new post to honour you.
 

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This "blogger" is exactly the reason why you have to pick and choose where you read your news from. If it were up to him, he'd convince hordes of people to buy overpriced and overrated stocks for big money.
 
and the company's growth rate percentage - defying all laws of gravity - continues to accelerate without any sign of abating," Zaky writes.
I would think that everyone in the financial world had already learned that something showing those attributes should be taken with an enormous grain of salt. Past results do not guarantee future earnings.
 

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mm actually i find this stock to be 3000% over priced, must be the same ratings agencies that reviews all the too big to fail banks causing this.
 

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just to remain at its "depressed" level. Just to stay where it is right now, the stock would have to climb to $577.72 next year
i think what he's really trying to say is with the rate at which the fed is printing off money with so little backing it, water will be worth more then wall street stock, and that means alot of wall street employees will be jobless soon since thier entire operation is equal to an over glorified vegas casino and they are all black jack dealers
 
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