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Is there a 5th generation LG chip receiver on sale anywhere?
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Is there a 5th generation LG chip receiver on sale anywhere?
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Is there a 5th generation LG chip receiver on sale anywhere?
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Oh please, don't start that again. I live on the West Coast, not New
York City or New Jersey! I just want a receiver. I am not in the
business, and if the new LG chip works, I will me happy with our HDTV
standard. Please do not start rumors.
IB
Oh please, don't start that again. I live on the West Coast, not New
York City or New Jersey! I just want a receiver. I am not in the
business, and if the new LG chip works, I will me happy with our HDTV
standard. Please do not start rumors.
IB
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None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
numbers prove the point.
IB
None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
numbers prove the point.
IB
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> Is there a 5th generation LG chip receiver on sale anywhere?
>
> IB
>
Only in a couple of integrated LG HDTV sets. No stand alone units.
Bob Miller
inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> Is there a 5th generation LG chip receiver on sale anywhere?
>
> IB
>
Only in a couple of integrated LG HDTV sets. No stand alone units.
Bob Miller
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Oh please, don't start that again. I live on the West Coast, not New
> York City or New Jersey! I just want a receiver. I am not in the
> business, and if the new LG chip works, I will me happy with our HDTV
> standard.
Of course the "new LG chip" works. So do all the old ATSC receiver chips.
I have 4 different ATSC receivers with 4 *different* chipsets from the
very first (not just first generation, but first *chipset*) to what would
be called "4th generation". All work fine.
So, go out and buy a receiver and be happy.
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Oh please, don't start that again. I live on the West Coast, not New
> York City or New Jersey! I just want a receiver. I am not in the
> business, and if the new LG chip works, I will me happy with our HDTV
> standard.
Of course the "new LG chip" works. So do all the old ATSC receiver chips.
I have 4 different ATSC receivers with 4 *different* chipsets from the
very first (not just first generation, but first *chipset*) to what would
be called "4th generation". All work fine.
So, go out and buy a receiver and be happy.
--
Jeff Rife |
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Bob Miller wrote:
> But the reality may be that LG is not using the full tuner board that
> was in the prototype.
No BOB, what LG did was to lay out all the parts that went into the
prototype in a neat line and then selected every other part that was on
the table. Those parts will be the new LG 5th gen production model. Of
course this was done under the cloak of secrecy but with the full
consent of the Korean government. I also understand that there were 4
COFDM spies who were discovered on LG property during this process and
were shot. I'm surprised you didn't hear about that!
Bob Miller wrote:
> But the reality may be that LG is not using the full tuner board that
> was in the prototype.
No BOB, what LG did was to lay out all the parts that went into the
prototype in a neat line and then selected every other part that was on
the table. Those parts will be the new LG 5th gen production model. Of
course this was done under the cloak of secrecy but with the full
consent of the Korean government. I also understand that there were 4
COFDM spies who were discovered on LG property during this process and
were shot. I'm surprised you didn't hear about that!
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
>
> IB
>
The LG 5th generation prototype we tested last summer were miraculous
compared to any other receiver I have tested.
The latest LG 5th generation receiver, not made by LG, is a major
disappointment.
After thinking about it we feel that from statements by Hisense giving
reasons for at first saying they would go with the LG 5th gen and then
changing their mind, that there was more to the LG 5th gen prototype
than just the 5th gen chip. It may be that the other components on the
prototype tuner card were too expensive in Hisense and LG's thinking to
actually make and sell the equal of the prototype as an STB.
My question now is does LG use the all the components that were on the
prototype tuner card in their advertised integrated HDTV sets that come
with 5th generation receivers. Could be since the higher cost of the
integrated sets lets them more easily bury the actual cost of the receiver.
But the reality may be that LG is not using the full tuner board that
was in the prototype.
Having an LG 5th generation chip in an STB or an integrated HDTV is not
enough to tell what its performance will be unfortunately.
We are trying to get a receiver from our second company that will
include the full LG 5th generation tuner card.
Bob Miller
inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
>
> IB
>
The LG 5th generation prototype we tested last summer were miraculous
compared to any other receiver I have tested.
The latest LG 5th generation receiver, not made by LG, is a major
disappointment.
After thinking about it we feel that from statements by Hisense giving
reasons for at first saying they would go with the LG 5th gen and then
changing their mind, that there was more to the LG 5th gen prototype
than just the 5th gen chip. It may be that the other components on the
prototype tuner card were too expensive in Hisense and LG's thinking to
actually make and sell the equal of the prototype as an STB.
My question now is does LG use the all the components that were on the
prototype tuner card in their advertised integrated HDTV sets that come
with 5th generation receivers. Could be since the higher cost of the
integrated sets lets them more easily bury the actual cost of the receiver.
But the reality may be that LG is not using the full tuner board that
was in the prototype.
Having an LG 5th generation chip in an STB or an integrated HDTV is not
enough to tell what its performance will be unfortunately.
We are trying to get a receiver from our second company that will
include the full LG 5th generation tuner card.
Bob Miller
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
So you have tried a silver sensor or equivalent with an ATSC receiver
and have convinced yourself that it can't be made to work because of
measured multipath problems?
Or are you believing bob for no good reason?
--
Matthew
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion, I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?
inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
So you have tried a silver sensor or equivalent with an ATSC receiver
and have convinced yourself that it can't be made to work because of
measured multipath problems?
Or are you believing bob for no good reason?
--
Matthew
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion, I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
That is correct, and a new chipset won't fix that. If you don't get
enough signal, nothing helps, and walls with aluminum siding and metallized
paper on insulation will block a *lot* of signal.
--
Jeff Rife |
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
That is correct, and a new chipset won't fix that. If you don't get
enough signal, nothing helps, and walls with aluminum siding and metallized
paper on insulation will block a *lot* of signal.
--
Jeff Rife |
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Bob Miller wrote:
> But just for the heck of it and even though we had just lit our 100
Watt
> transmitter in Jersey the same day I plugged in the receiver, HiTop
STB,
> which includes its own screen and using my finger as an antenna
touched
> the end of the coax. Perfect reception that I could not lose.
Isn't that amazing BOB? And here I can't get reliable XM RADIO
reception whenever I'm in range of those "perfect reception" COFDM
repeaters. Me smells a bullshit artist somehwere.
Bob Miller wrote:
> But just for the heck of it and even though we had just lit our 100
Watt
> transmitter in Jersey the same day I plugged in the receiver, HiTop
STB,
> which includes its own screen and using my finger as an antenna
touched
> the end of the coax. Perfect reception that I could not lose.
Isn't that amazing BOB? And here I can't get reliable XM RADIO
reception whenever I'm in range of those "perfect reception" COFDM
repeaters. Me smells a bullshit artist somehwere.
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inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
>
> IB
A good rule of thumb is if you can get a good UHF analog signal (better if
the channel is near the DTV channel in question) you should be able to get
DTV.
I ignored this entirely and bought a Sylvania STB anyway. I live in Dover
DE and have fuzzy analog UHF channels from Baltimore (56 miles) and Philly
(64 miles) with an in-attic Rat Shack flying saucer aerial (so bad that VHF
comes best at 90 degrees off aim). I get the following without question ...
WMAR-52, WBAL-59, WJZ-38, MPT-42, WBBF-46
and
KYW-26, UPN-32, WCAU-67
....get a STB from Wal-Mart and try it out. If it doesn't work you can
return it and know you tried.
inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
> They may be fine if you have an outdoor antenna. I don't. The tested
> numbers prove the point.
>
> IB
A good rule of thumb is if you can get a good UHF analog signal (better if
the channel is near the DTV channel in question) you should be able to get
DTV.
I ignored this entirely and bought a Sylvania STB anyway. I live in Dover
DE and have fuzzy analog UHF channels from Baltimore (56 miles) and Philly
(64 miles) with an in-attic Rat Shack flying saucer aerial (so bad that VHF
comes best at 90 degrees off aim). I get the following without question ...
WMAR-52, WBAL-59, WJZ-38, MPT-42, WBBF-46
and
KYW-26, UPN-32, WCAU-67
....get a STB from Wal-Mart and try it out. If it doesn't work you can
return it and know you tried.
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I already have a receiver built into my RPTV. I have to use two indoor
antennas in parallel mated with an antenna amp to get signals, but I
still get drop-outs and Fox is very unreliable. Sometimes I get good
analogue signal but no usable digital signal for the same station.
IB
I already have a receiver built into my RPTV. I have to use two indoor
antennas in parallel mated with an antenna amp to get signals, but I
still get drop-outs and Fox is very unreliable. Sometimes I get good
analogue signal but no usable digital signal for the same station.
IB
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Jeff Rife wrote:
> inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>
>>None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
>
>
> That is correct, and a new chipset won't fix that. If you don't get
> enough signal, nothing helps, and walls with aluminum siding and metallized
> paper on insulation will block a *lot* of signal.
>
Standing in the middle of the old AT&T building just below Canal St. in
Manhattan some months ago with a COFDM receiver and coax but no antenna
the manager asked if he could see how it worked. I told him it would not
work on the fifth floor of this building in the middle of a forest of
Internet, satellite and other assorted cages. Especially since this was
a brick s***house if there ever was one with super thick bomb proof
walls, 27 or so floors and just a big fat building.
But just for the heck of it and even though we had just lit our 100 Watt
transmitter in Jersey the same day I plugged in the receiver, HiTop STB,
which includes its own screen and using my finger as an antenna touched
the end of the coax. Perfect reception that I could not lose.
A new modulation, any COFDM type, will fix that. What is blocking a lot
of signal is the lousy 8-VSB receivers front ends and the faulty design
of their chips.
Bob Miller
Jeff Rife wrote:
> inkyblacks@yahoo.com (inkyblacks@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>
>>None work well enough for indoor reception in a city in most cases.
>
>
> That is correct, and a new chipset won't fix that. If you don't get
> enough signal, nothing helps, and walls with aluminum siding and metallized
> paper on insulation will block a *lot* of signal.
>
Standing in the middle of the old AT&T building just below Canal St. in
Manhattan some months ago with a COFDM receiver and coax but no antenna
the manager asked if he could see how it worked. I told him it would not
work on the fifth floor of this building in the middle of a forest of
Internet, satellite and other assorted cages. Especially since this was
a brick s***house if there ever was one with super thick bomb proof
walls, 27 or so floors and just a big fat building.
But just for the heck of it and even though we had just lit our 100 Watt
transmitter in Jersey the same day I plugged in the receiver, HiTop STB,
which includes its own screen and using my finger as an antenna touched
the end of the coax. Perfect reception that I could not lose.
A new modulation, any COFDM type, will fix that. What is blocking a lot
of signal is the lousy 8-VSB receivers front ends and the faulty design
of their chips.
Bob Miller
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Bob Miller wrote:
> A new modulation, any COFDM type, will fix that.
Let's suppose, just for argument's sake, that as a nation we all take
Psycho Bob Miller's advice. We abandon 8-VSB for COFDM, everybody has to
dump their 8-VSB equipment in favor of COFDM.
If Psycho Bob Miller's rosy predictions are true, than it is worth doing:
perfect glorious HDTV reception everywhere in the country with just rabbit
ears for an antenna. And Psycho Bob can get rich beaming tampon
commercials to city buses.
The question is, what do we do to Psycho Bob Miller to punish him, and to
make the rest us whole when it turns out that none of his rosy predictions
were true.
Neither the death penalty, nor a lifetime of torture, be enough. There
will still be the matter of billions lost following this pied piper.
Psycho Bob doesn't have the assets to reimburse everyone.
Nor will amending the constitution to eternally attaint him, and his
descendents, in slavery to work off the debt.
I am completely unable to think of any retribution that would be
sufficient to make the experiment worth doing.
-- Mark --
http/staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Bob Miller wrote:
> A new modulation, any COFDM type, will fix that.
Let's suppose, just for argument's sake, that as a nation we all take
Psycho Bob Miller's advice. We abandon 8-VSB for COFDM, everybody has to
dump their 8-VSB equipment in favor of COFDM.
If Psycho Bob Miller's rosy predictions are true, than it is worth doing:
perfect glorious HDTV reception everywhere in the country with just rabbit
ears for an antenna. And Psycho Bob can get rich beaming tampon
commercials to city buses.
The question is, what do we do to Psycho Bob Miller to punish him, and to
make the rest us whole when it turns out that none of his rosy predictions
were true.
Neither the death penalty, nor a lifetime of torture, be enough. There
will still be the matter of billions lost following this pied piper.
Psycho Bob doesn't have the assets to reimburse everyone.
Nor will amending the constitution to eternally attaint him, and his
descendents, in slavery to work off the debt.
I am completely unable to think of any retribution that would be
sufficient to make the experiment worth doing.
-- Mark --
http
/staff.washington.edu/mrcScience does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Mark Crispin wrote:
>
> The question is, what do we do to Psycho Bob Miller to punish him, and
> to make the rest us whole when it turns out that none of his rosy
> predictions were true.
>
That's a fair question since bob has been wrong 100% of the time when he
has posted predictions to usenet. That is a remarkable record. Even a
blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
--
Matthew
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion, I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?
Mark Crispin wrote:
>
> The question is, what do we do to Psycho Bob Miller to punish him, and
> to make the rest us whole when it turns out that none of his rosy
> predictions were true.
>
That's a fair question since bob has been wrong 100% of the time when he
has posted predictions to usenet. That is a remarkable record. Even a
blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
--
Matthew
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion, I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?
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