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[citation][nom]zoran[/nom]Apple, makes the software and hardware. The software sells their hardware at the higher price.[/citation]
I agree completely. Apple sells expensive hardware, using their once-unique approach to the user interface to add value. They seem to consider themselves a hardware company, however.
If you don't like their business model, don't buy their products. But don't steal their software. If someone on the street is selling t-shirts with slogans I find offensive, I don't buy one. And if that someone has a nice car, I don't think that I'm entitled to take it just because I don't like his shirts.
I agree completely. Apple sells expensive hardware, using their once-unique approach to the user interface to add value. They seem to consider themselves a hardware company, however.
If you don't like their business model, don't buy their products. But don't steal their software. If someone on the street is selling t-shirts with slogans I find offensive, I don't buy one. And if that someone has a nice car, I don't think that I'm entitled to take it just because I don't like his shirts.
Point of clarification for the clueless. Psystar buys legitimate copies of Apple's OSX and installs it on non-Apple hardware. They are not stealing any software from Apple.
I wish Tom's would include this fact in every Psystar article, would save a lot of worthless comments.
Apple's case is solely based on the terms of it's EULA, which may or may not be legally enforceable.
I wish Tom's would include this fact in every Psystar article, would save a lot of worthless comments.
Apple's case is solely based on the terms of it's EULA, which may or may not be legally enforceable.
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[citation][nom]VidGameKing[/nom]You guys make me sick. So righteous in your search for "competitve choices" even though 99.99999999999999999999% of you guys would not even bother installing and Apple software, on your uber-cool gaming rigs. You'd think that was too lame, and you'd trow down your quad-boot options for Windows XP, Windows 7, Some flavor of Linux, and god knows what else.[/citation]
Most of us do not install OSX on "uber-cool" gaming rigs is because OSX doesn't support the latest and greatest hardware and gimps what is available. I would not purchase a 4870 knowing that by installing it on a specific OS that it would have a 10-20% performance hit. They are gaming system, the gamers want 100% performance and Macs just can't quite pull it off.
[citation][nom]VidGameKing[/nom]I'm not arguing here because I like Apple, I'm arguing here because it's a company's right to keep and protect it's IP from the likes of low-life scum bags who want in on a company's hard work and sacrafice. And if you don't think OSX was not hard work and sacrafice, go talk to an Apple software engineer, talk to one that's been layed off because of the resession, ask how they are getting on, ask them how their family is doing. Ask them how their job search is going. [/citation]
If I am not mistaken BSD did all the hard word and sacrafice. Apple just configured the GUI. Go ahead and strip the GUI out and see for yourself.
Maybe if Apple had a larger market share they wouldn't have needed to layoff anyone. And don't say that every company had lay offs My employer did not lay off anyone. Not one from any of our sites in China, India, South America, UK, US, no one.
Most of us do not install OSX on "uber-cool" gaming rigs is because OSX doesn't support the latest and greatest hardware and gimps what is available. I would not purchase a 4870 knowing that by installing it on a specific OS that it would have a 10-20% performance hit. They are gaming system, the gamers want 100% performance and Macs just can't quite pull it off.
[citation][nom]VidGameKing[/nom]I'm not arguing here because I like Apple, I'm arguing here because it's a company's right to keep and protect it's IP from the likes of low-life scum bags who want in on a company's hard work and sacrafice. And if you don't think OSX was not hard work and sacrafice, go talk to an Apple software engineer, talk to one that's been layed off because of the resession, ask how they are getting on, ask them how their family is doing. Ask them how their job search is going. [/citation]
If I am not mistaken BSD did all the hard word and sacrafice. Apple just configured the GUI. Go ahead and strip the GUI out and see for yourself.
Maybe if Apple had a larger market share they wouldn't have needed to layoff anyone. And don't say that every company had lay offs My employer did not lay off anyone. Not one from any of our sites in China, India, South America, UK, US, no one.
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Haha they dont want to be like windows where any PC manufacture can install it.
They want you to buy ONLY they're prebuilt macs.In my opinion thats bad for biusness
They want you to buy ONLY they're prebuilt macs.In my opinion thats bad for biusness
CoryInJapan:
You may think it is bad for business but that is Apple's business model like it or not (and what do you care, do you own APPL stock?) What Psystar is doing goes directly against what Apple sells and it is stated in their EULA.
Apple has no intention of supporting hardware that wasn't set up them. This is Windows problem set NOT Apples. Lets say the judge determines this is OK, do not expect ANY help from Apple actually just headaches and roadblocks if you are running it on a non-Apple product.
You may think it is bad for business but that is Apple's business model like it or not (and what do you care, do you own APPL stock?) What Psystar is doing goes directly against what Apple sells and it is stated in their EULA.
Apple has no intention of supporting hardware that wasn't set up them. This is Windows problem set NOT Apples. Lets say the judge determines this is OK, do not expect ANY help from Apple actually just headaches and roadblocks if you are running it on a non-Apple product.
[citation][nom]VidGameKing[/nom]Sure, we all own systems that beat out what Apple can give us for way more money than we spent. Yep I know that. Do I think it's a bit silly that Apple charges so much? Yep I do too. But you know Sun charges a whole lot for their systems too, And those are intel based rigs as well! BLA BLA BLAYou buy the Mac OS software, it's for a mac, because that's the way Apple designed it. Noone cared when Apple was running on PowerPC systems, which by the way SUCK compared to intel x86(64) systems.God! What would you find in a hackintosh that you couldn't find in Windows 7? Like I said; if you're a simple-minded dolt, who can and wants to afford the whole "Apple experiance", (for all its worth), go ahead and do it! If you don't want to spend the money, or you don't like the hardware, for pete's sake stop bitching about it! Go out and buy yourself some dual-Xeon x5500 series thingy and gloat about how uber you are!Oh and as for the dork that won the legal right to re-sell a peice of software with the original license, that was a "retail" "full install" peice of software. - ALL Apple software sold in stores are labeld, and sold as upgrades, with specific system restrictions clearly marked on the package and the EULA. I'm not arguing here because I like Apple, I'm arguing here because it's a company's right to keep and protect it's IP from the likes of low-life scum bags who want in on a company's hard work and sacrafice. And if you don't think OSX was not hard work and sacrafice, go talk to an Apple software engineer, talk to one that's been layed off because of the resession, ask how they are getting on, ask them how their family is doing. Ask them how their job search is going. You guys make me sick. So righteous in your search for "competitve choices" even though 99.99999999999999999999% of you guys would not even bother installing and Apple software, on your uber-cool gaming rigs. You'd think that was too lame, and you'd trow down your quad-boot options for Windows XP, Windows 7, Some flavor of Linux, and god knows what else. But not Apple, because we, the type of people who come to tom's hardware, don't like shit from Apple. Effing hipocrates. Shut up now. You all make me sick.[/citation]
I found the bolded part interesting, since that is basically Apples MO. Why not go ask the unix kernel developers how they feel about Apple making millions off software that they created for FREE.
You need to calm down.
I found the bolded part interesting, since that is basically Apples MO. Why not go ask the unix kernel developers how they feel about Apple making millions off software that they created for FREE.
You need to calm down.
[citation][nom]Herbert_HA[/nom]Yeah, that's the reality for most people, the same way most of us won't buy a Ferrari. After all, it's just an overpriced car! If you really want one, you can save and buy one, right? The point is, you won't go to their factory, demand they sell their engine to you at a fair price so you can install it in a VW Beatle and have a fast car, just like a Ferrari.[/citation]
an Apple computer can't be compared to a Ferrari at all. if anything, an Alienware (or alike) computer would be the closest to a Ferrari.
its much closer to the Maybach or a soft Bentley or something. and the situation would be as if one of these companies struck a deal so their cars would have exclusive access to some roads. then imagine one of those roads was the one you had to use to go to work.
an Apple computer can't be compared to a Ferrari at all. if anything, an Alienware (or alike) computer would be the closest to a Ferrari.
its much closer to the Maybach or a soft Bentley or something. and the situation would be as if one of these companies struck a deal so their cars would have exclusive access to some roads. then imagine one of those roads was the one you had to use to go to work.
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That doesn't make any sense? are you saying you have to use MacOs and so therefore they should alow you to install it if you buy an upgrade disc?
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Here's the deal: people want MacOS because it looks cool, they love them some eye-candy! What's the use of the operating system beyond that? Everyday browsing? Effing use your Windows 7 and be happy!
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Fine, your linux distro, or Solaris for all I care! Clearly people here don't like Apple! Why bother with their flavor of an OS? Even iff apple lost, they will not open driver support. Your system will still have to be hacked together with home-brewed kexts. You'll be just as hosed as all those hackintoshers. There is only a very small movment of people who want to use this system everyday and not pay for the apple hardware. you'll never get the driver support you want, and the more apple tweaks it's chipsets with the like of nVidia the higher the chances are that it'll end up excluding standard PC equipment. Imagine this: Four years down the road, Apple and nVidia use their own custom CPUs with code morphing, and they drop OS support for the old "intel Macs". What ya gonna do then? Now it wont even support your precious "off-the-shelf" hardware? You gonna bitch and moan that apple has killed support for you? Don't belive that? Apple killed Power-PC support 5 years after ANOUNCING new G5 iMac, and PowerMac G5 systems, and only 3 years after the last G5 systems shipped.
Apple already has transistioned away from the intel chipset, only returning recently for the corei7 CPUs. But when/if nVidia get a crack at makeing their own chipsets for that apple will go back to that. Apple will do, what Apple feels like it wants to do, and it will do what it feels will make it the most amount of money while maintaining their core image.
Lastly to turn the argument back around to psystar, I think they are hurtting apple's ability to do bussiness by making ugly-looking crappy systems with common off-the-shelf componets joe-schmoe can pick up on new-egg. They are hurting legitimate buisness, and coolness-image-factor.
I'm done arguing here. You all suck, and I own two hackintoshes. Don't belive me? check my profile at insanelymac.com!
Apple already has transistioned away from the intel chipset, only returning recently for the corei7 CPUs. But when/if nVidia get a crack at makeing their own chipsets for that apple will go back to that. Apple will do, what Apple feels like it wants to do, and it will do what it feels will make it the most amount of money while maintaining their core image.
Lastly to turn the argument back around to psystar, I think they are hurtting apple's ability to do bussiness by making ugly-looking crappy systems with common off-the-shelf componets joe-schmoe can pick up on new-egg. They are hurting legitimate buisness, and coolness-image-factor.
I'm done arguing here. You all suck, and I own two hackintoshes. Don't belive me? check my profile at insanelymac.com!
[citation][nom]etichi[/nom]CoryInJapan:You may think it is bad for business but that is Apple's business model like it or not (and what do you care, do you own APPL stock?) What Psystar is doing goes directly against what Apple sells and it is stated in their EULA. Apple has no intention of supporting hardware that wasn't set up them. This is Windows problem set NOT Apples. Lets say the judge determines this is OK, do not expect ANY help from Apple actually just headaches and roadblocks if you are running it on a non-Apple product.[/citation]
If Psystar manages to win....which would take a miracle...Apple would do the exact same thing they're doing to Palm Pre owners. They will start building in every roadblock possible to prevent any chance of compatibility. Apple tries to force their products on people as a package deal...."You want OSX, buy an Apple assembled computer. You want to transfer your music from iTunes to your phone? Pay the insanely overpriced ETF, switch to AT&T and buy an iPhone....which you'll later complain about the poor reception..." Apple is not in business to serve the consumer...they're in business to take every dime the consumer is willing to hand over cluelessly. As one judge ruled "The purchaser of the software OWNS any and ALL rights to the exact copy of the software they purchased. The developer has NO RIGHT to tell the consumer what they can or can not do with that particular copy of the software." When Apple put OSX on the store shelves, they put the disc, packaging and compiled source code up for sale to consumers....at the point of sale, the rights to EVERYTHING contained in that OSX box, belongs to the purchaser. Based on that premise, Apple can't legally prevent anyone from installing OSX on any computer, regardless of their EULA....because no legal agreement can be made that violates your rights.
If Psystar manages to win....which would take a miracle...Apple would do the exact same thing they're doing to Palm Pre owners. They will start building in every roadblock possible to prevent any chance of compatibility. Apple tries to force their products on people as a package deal...."You want OSX, buy an Apple assembled computer. You want to transfer your music from iTunes to your phone? Pay the insanely overpriced ETF, switch to AT&T and buy an iPhone....which you'll later complain about the poor reception..." Apple is not in business to serve the consumer...they're in business to take every dime the consumer is willing to hand over cluelessly. As one judge ruled "The purchaser of the software OWNS any and ALL rights to the exact copy of the software they purchased. The developer has NO RIGHT to tell the consumer what they can or can not do with that particular copy of the software." When Apple put OSX on the store shelves, they put the disc, packaging and compiled source code up for sale to consumers....at the point of sale, the rights to EVERYTHING contained in that OSX box, belongs to the purchaser. Based on that premise, Apple can't legally prevent anyone from installing OSX on any computer, regardless of their EULA....because no legal agreement can be made that violates your rights.
Sykozis:
I am in full agreement about selling the software on disc give the purchaser full rights to do what they want. Apple sees it that this OS bundle should only be going on their computers. I personally don't care for I own a macbook and don't have time to tinker thanks to two kids under 3 years old. With that all I am saying is if you choose to install this through various hacks then do not expect any help from Apple. In fact, once this path is chosen then I expect Apple to try to "excommunicate" the user so that he/she will have to rely on more and more hacks if they want patches, etc. Now if you have time to put up with this type of software then by all means go ahead. But I really don't have a lot of faith in that type of software development.
I am in full agreement about selling the software on disc give the purchaser full rights to do what they want. Apple sees it that this OS bundle should only be going on their computers. I personally don't care for I own a macbook and don't have time to tinker thanks to two kids under 3 years old. With that all I am saying is if you choose to install this through various hacks then do not expect any help from Apple. In fact, once this path is chosen then I expect Apple to try to "excommunicate" the user so that he/she will have to rely on more and more hacks if they want patches, etc. Now if you have time to put up with this type of software then by all means go ahead. But I really don't have a lot of faith in that type of software development.
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