Microsoft: Xbox 360 Not Having Blu-ray is Good

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PS3 takes one disc while xbox360 takes 3 for final fantasy? big deal. It still runs. Plus I believe one bluray media costs more to manufacture than 3 dual layers. It is "neat" to have it all in one disc so you don't have to swap but look how much swapping you will be doing in a final fantasy game. The game is long.

But I do agree that dual layer DVD in a modern console when bluray was already available is very silly. Also if HD DVD was included in the xbox360 originally instead of a stupid plug in device, the install base would have caused a lot of confusion between bluray and hd assuming that the public is dumb enough to get confused with those things which they likely are.


Well I'm not promoting PS3 but I am done with 360. If I had a choice any more I'd still stick with PC. Consoles don't suck but they just don't interest me so much any more.
 
The 360 arcade sku is not useless.

I bought it, as it was 50% of the PS3 cost, 2 years ago. I got a 20 GB HDD for free from my friend who upgraded his. However, I didn't even need to plug it in initially.

Here's the deal. When you buy the arcade sku, you get the console, a controller, and a 512 MB memory card. You can save your profile and saved games, as well as a few things like themes and gamer pictures to it. 512 is more than enough memory to do that (I still use it for my XBox Live profile and saved games). I just recently (after 2 years!) bought a 120 GB HD which I use for game and video downloads. The memory card is a wonderful thing. I can bring it to my friend's house and plug it in, and we can play Halo while we all are logged into our own Live accounts, so I get achievements and can access my saved games as well, at the same time.

To the person that brought up backups... Microsoft knows what you purchased already. If you lose your data due to a HD failure (which is unlikely, it is solid state), you can just redownload it for free. If you have a memory card for your saved games, it's already saved (and you can copy them to a memory card if not, anyway). You can recover your profile on any system just by entering your login information. So having a backup system is redundant.

On the XBox, I will not purchase any downloaded movies. However, you can stream all the content you like. With a basic cable Internet connection, that's more than enough speed. And you need zero hard drive space to stream with.

Bottom line though, I bought the 360 because all my friends have it as well, and we can game online. Also, my favorite Playstation games (yes I was a Playstation fan before the 360) came to the XBox 360 (Need For Speed, Tekken, Final Fantasy). And the exclusives (Halo, for instance) are king. I am a fan of FPS games and the 360 controller layout is superior to the Playstation DualShock (and having been a Playstation fan before the XBox, that was the only downside I had to playing the Playstation, as I did both).

But in all, if you enjoy it, that's great. Just try to keep the non-issues and misinformation to a minimum.
 
And I'm pretty sure that after the first year of production, Microsoft solved most of its issues with the 360 build quality. I've not had a RROD at all, and I game with my 360 vertical and have not had any scratched discs.

But then, if you kick your system around anyway, expect it to be more susceptible to failure.
 
[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]Well I'm not promoting PS3 but I am done with 360. If I had a choice any more I'd still stick with PC. Consoles don't suck but they just don't interest me so much any more.[/citation]

I'm right there with you. When I got my consoles years ago there was a major "WOW" factor and I gobbled up console games over PC because many of my friends can't afford a PC.

Now that my PC is giving me that "WOW" factor and my friends can kiss my ass 😉
 
[citation][nom]tacoslave[/nom]$199 starting price. True , but you have to buy a hardrive which is a 100 plus dollars and the controllers are 10 dollars cheaper but you have to buy the $20 play and charge kit. I'm not even going to go into the wifi adaptor. But the 360 is ALL hidden fees. Red Ring anyone? I had 2 360's RR in 2 months and i could never finish devil may cry because it scratched my disk so bad that it wouldn't read it. Now i game mostly on my pc but i bought a ps3 for final fantasy and i haven't had one thing to b$tch about. If theres a game i want and its on pc i'll get it if its not than its probably for ps3.[/citation]
Great post and it is exactly what I would say except for the part of owning a 360, never bought one.
 
[citation][nom]tacoslave[/nom]$199 starting price. True , but you have to buy a hardrive which is a 100 plus dollars and the controllers are 10 dollars cheaper but you have to buy the $20 play and charge kit. I'm not even going to go into the wifi adaptor. But the 360 is ALL hidden fees. Red Ring anyone? I had 2 360's RR in 2 months and i could never finish devil may cry because it scratched my disk so bad that it wouldn't read it. Now i game mostly on my pc but i bought a ps3 for final fantasy and i haven't had one thing to b$tch about. If theres a game i want and its on pc i'll get it if its not than its probably for ps3.[/citation]
Great post and it is exactly what I would say except for the part of owning a 360, never bought one.
 
[citation][nom]jrharbort[/nom]Nearly twice the installed base? Last I checked, both consoles had total sales at just over 40 million so far, with the PS3 extremely close to the 360.[/citation]
And when you realize that most 360 gamers on on at least their 2nd Crapbox you find that more households have PS3 in them than 360s.
 
[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]I have like 14 hard drives, take that! (1x1TB, 8x500GB, 3x80GB). I can't even fit them all in my case!I think I actually would have preferred the PS3, but that's purely for a couple of exclusives, bluray and bluetooth. You know, those expensive extras. Free online is nice too, but damn, I absolutely HATE PSN...[/citation]
1+8+3 = 12 not 14 :)
 
You guys are missing the boat.

i am running windows media center in the front room and have 3 xbox360's in all the other rooms as extenders....works AWESOME!

My windows media center has a blueray drive....and yes i do have a PS3 in the front room also.
 
Blu ray is nice... on a gaming console? not so much. Today theres cheaper blu ray options than PS3. Now blu ray disk are too frackin expensive, its Sony's proprietary attitude thats killing the success of blu ray. Xbox 360 nice for gaming, but the crappy hardware sucks. Its cheapy built, and you'd better pray the disc drive doesn't fail...which they do often... sad part is the dam xbox 360 has so much security built into the hardware, reminds me of those guys with the $5,000 rims on a $50 car
 
[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]Apparently people do care about watching movies on their game consoles. Otherwise MS wouldn't have included the HD DVD drive.[/citation]
It wasn't included, it was an optional add-on. For those of us who don't care about optical high def, we could save our money.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]True it's a promo deal, but how much is the PS3 250Gb with the promo deal that includes 2 wireless controllers, a headset and a game? If you have £270 spare you wouldn't buy the PS3, you would buy the Xbox 360 promo and another premium game.[/citation]

But that isn't a promo deal! That's just a bundle with maybe some slight savings.

I am not going to compare deals with you because those change from place to place.I am comparing MSRP to MSRP. In the U.S. both 120 GB models cost $299.99. The 250 GB Xbox 360 costs $399.99, and the PS3 slim 250 GB costs $249.99.

I am not even factoring in the cost of the wireless adapter, or the cost of xbox 360 online service. IF anything, the xbox 360 may cost more, however lets just call a spade a spade and we will say they are about equal.
 
The XBox 360 is no longer competitive with the PS3 and the recent PS3 sales increases affirms that. No intrinsic WiFi, Gold subscription to view online Netflix, no Blu-Ray all make it a more costly console to own and use.
 
[citation][nom]jn77[/nom]Why do they justify being $100 cheaper because they do not offer blu-ray...I think the last time I saw a video tap was at the thrift shop, or at the mission when I donated them to some one that could use them more than me.DVD's are not quite there yet, but they are also on the way out.With the D TV revolution, most people have 16:9 tv's now. If the console does not support 1080p it fails.Also like they said, 3 DVD's for one game, vs. 1 blu ray... Have fun switching out discs part way through the game, I think the last time that happened, I decided it was time to upgrade and donate.[/citation]

you sir are a doofus.

1. neither the xbox 360 , the ps 3 or the Wii , give "true" 1080p support xbox 360 a ps3 give said support but BOTH companies urge that gaming in 1080p was not intended (and infact quite a few 360 adn ps3 games slow down horribly when you play at 1080p )

2. most people do NOT have 16:9 hdtv's i don't know what rich boy ass fantasy land you are living in, but most of middle america is still on crt's when it comes to tv's I myself can name only one person i know that has a lcd HD tv , compared to about 30 something other people i know that only have old CRT tv's

3. switching dvd's mid game is not so bad , you make it sound like you are being asked to run a marathon , only the tubbiest , of fatest fatties, would ever find getting off thier ass to switch disk that big of a hassle.

[citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]Sir, you are on crack Cocain. Your system isn't even in the same League as a PS3, your mind hasleft your body. You do not own the streaming video in which you are talking about, you are simply redirecting it to your system for a $ 60.00 a year prescription plus monthly Netflix Fee's. Last but not least your not streaming true HD
video through your system, your streaming an upscaled 480 video to 720P which is a far cry short of Bluray quality which is 1080P * 1920P. Further more Netflix and any other streaming video company that you maybe talking about only offers about 20 percent of their lineup in streaming Video. So please go see a doctor and get your head re-attached to your body, then maybe you can think straight.[/citation]


so wrong , net flix is not the only way to get movies on xbox 360 , i have bought several movies on xbox 360 and have them downloaded to my HDD i didnt once have to even look at net flix so your comment fails , do some research next time before talking out your ass please

hakesterman said - "I don't care if you have a $ 2,500 Pc cause you want choices, you should beable to have choices and Microsoft shoould give them to you, but they are not."


how does MS not give you choices ??? i mean shit you can choose to not buy or buy ?? whats the big f-ing deal ?? and for the record 720 p is technically high definition any thing greatr than 480p (800x600) is technically high definiton and quite hoenstly most consumers do NOT see a diference from 720 to 1080 p most consumers don't care to even try to see said diference only the most videophile users would scrutinize thier image that much.

what's more you even realise the file size foot print diference between 720p and 1080p it is enormous , few people would have a internet connetion that could handle streams at 1080p that is why most 360 streams are in 720p


[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]For the billionth time....the Xbox 360 does NOT do 1080p in games or movies. Streaming video is NOT in 1080p. The PS3 supports blu ray, which allows for 1080p in movies. There are very, very few games available (ones that aren't very graphically detailed) on the PS3 that are rendered in 1080p. Regardless....most of you fanboys arguing about 1080p can take a hike....most of you probably cannot even tell the difference between 1080p and 720p from your TV size and viewing distance:http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html[/citation]

actually youar e wrong on all acocunts ,

1. the 360 can display in 1080p you can adjust this from the console's system settings

2. 720p is high def , just not the highest defintion , there is no such thing as this "true high definiton" hi def , is any resolution that is larger than old crt's def of 800x600

3. 360 games can be forced to 1080p through the system options regardless of their graphical content , but MS advises against this in most cases ( i'v even done this myself on some games to see teh difference)

4. the PS3 is on teh same boat as the 360 on games , so you ahve that right , but me and many otehr gamers don't see the justified cost of the blue ray player especailly when it is a low grade (IE slow) blueray player.


that side me and many other people i know could care less about a format where the movies still cost 30-40 bucks a pop

with MS i can get their 720p hi def movies for about 20 bucks , sure it's not "1080-blow-your-fracking-eyes-out-of-your-head-P" resolution but 20 bucks for a 720p (that 1366 x 720 ) version is beter than 20 bucks for a dvd version which is only 800x600 def. and another 10-20 bucks for the 1080 p blue ray is not justifiable the 720p look pretty damn sweet enough


[citation][nom]TheRabidDeer[/nom]How exactly do you save games without a hard drive? The cheapest one you can buy is the horrible 20 gig for $60 (do they still sell it even?)I only have an X360, mostly because of being able to stream stuff from my PC to it and netflix (which wasnt available for a while). PS3 would be a waste for me since blu-ray is still so expensive to rent/buy movies.[/citation]

the acrade system comes with a biult in memory module for saving games , i have one it's module is 256 but i hear the newer arcade ones are getting 512mb modules, for saving games this is fine. [citation][nom]HappyBB[/nom]Somehow I find that Greeberg's statement as being ignorant, arrogant, and self-denial. Deep down MS would wish the Blu-ray technology matured a generation earlier so that they could take advantage of it in their machine. I strongly believe that MS will include a BD drive for their next machine. See how PS3 is not plagued by piracy, I do not doubt that MS will not want that on their machine.[/citation]

I highly doubt they will have a blu ray on the next xbox , blu ray is owned by sony for the most part , any blu ray device has to pay roalties to the companies that developed it , and sony is the main one so this would be like paying thier competition

ask me they wil likely go the "nintendo" route and develope thier own disk standard for games and built on thier streaming video service by adding 1080p movies when brodband technologies gett better


and for the record i'm nto a fanboy , jsut hate seeing all this stupid consoel gamer hate directed at ms , for the most part i play games on my pc , and occasionally games on my 360 if they dont hafve a pc version
 
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom] actually youar e wrong on all acocunts ,1. the 360 can display in 1080p you can adjust this from the console's system settings2. 720p is high def , just not the highest defintion , there is no such thing as this "true high definiton" hi def , is any resolution that is larger than old crt's def of 800x600 3. 360 games can be forced to 1080p through the system options regardless of their graphical content , but MS advises against this in most cases ( i'v even done this myself on some games to see teh difference) 4. the PS3 is on teh same boat as the 360 on games , so you ahve that right , but me and many otehr gamers don't see the justified cost of the blue ray player especailly when it is a low grade (IE slow) blueray player. that side me and many other people i know could care less about a format where the movies still cost 30-40 bucks a pop with MS i can get their 720p hi def movies for about 20 bucks , sure it's not "1080-blow-your-fracking-eyes-out-of-your-head-P" resolution but 20 bucks for a 720p (that 1366 x 720 ) version is beter than 20 bucks for a dvd version which is only 800x600 def. and another 10-20 bucks for the 1080 p blue ray is not justifiable the 720p look pretty damn sweet[/citation]

1) There is a difference between being rendered at 1080p, and upscaling to 1080p. The Xbox 360 can upscale to 1080p, not render 1080p. If you looked at any published data posted in the comments here you would know that. Upscaling causes artifacts, and the extra detail is still missing.

2) I never made any comments about "true HD" or that 1080p is HD and 720p is not, so take a hike.

3) Honestly I don't care about 1080p (obviously), and I don't care what your preferred means of watching a movie are. The only point I was making is that neither system RENDERS 1080p, and that in itself doesn't matter usually anyways.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Well let's not call it a promo then, let's call it a bundle and it makes no real differance. For the UK buyer who wants to buy a console with 2 controllers and a game the Xbox was £240 and the PS3 was £427. Cold hard cash speaks volumes here.[/citation]

The xbox 360 sale you posted is a promo deal. The ps3 slim sale is a bundle. The difference is that the xbox 360 is massively discounted for a short period of time, where the ps3 bundle is sold at regular price for the sake of convenience of getting everything together.

And also realize that the PS3 slim 120 GB is out of stock nearly everywhere so prices are going to be inflated until they get back in stock.

Does cold hard cash not speak volumes everywhere?
 
Lol i have dozens of xbox360 in for repair for every 12 there is 1 ps3, my sister has gone through 6 that had rrod, my friend had 4 in 3 months that rrod.

Ps3 you get with fat version ps2 compatibility,you can load linux and use it as a pc with mouse and keyboard, its a gaming machine and best feature is blu-ray player.

With all hidden fees on 360 it ends up costing more for less?.
 
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