NASA Finds Alien DNA in Californian Lake

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Bad news to environmentalists. Now we have to maintain the lake to be polluted to save the newly discovered life form.
 
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Those articles talk about arsenic being beneficially used by bacteria.
There is a big difference between using arsenic and incorporating it into its body.
 

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Well, Arsenic on bacterya DNA which lives in an Arsenic lake ? It's not that strange (there are lots of comlex DNA "procedures" and "magic"). I could be some case of evolution and not a complete rebirth of life. Some other bacteryas from deep seas with vulcanoes need no sun to live, and since then I thought that they were searching just for water to find live.
 

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I didnt read these articles in detail however it looks like the first article talks about an organism using arsenic as a oxidizing/reducing compound. In this case the arsenic is fuel. This is different then using it as a building block of DNA and other cellular molecules. The second article seems mostly theoretical.
 
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JasonAkkerman -
Armageddon? Really? You are so fired.

Wrong answer sugar tits.....that's Men In Black, as uttered by Tommy Lee Jones. BOOM.

 
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A predictible event. Life can be defined as "hungry matter" (Valeriu Butulescu, romanina author of aphorisms) or more completely, :LIFE IS HUNGRY MATTER AND EDIBLE TOO" (my addition)
The first rule of evolution is invasiveness of life, where it is something to eat, life appears. Some very convincing examples- the ice worms, the one living on glaciers and the other on metahne hydrate deposits in deep oceans. No "restaurant" opened by Mother Nature will be without clients.
This bacteria eats aresenic. Good appetite!
 

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[citation][nom]Silmarunya[/nom]I'm assuming you are referring to this: http://nos.nl/artikel/202302-nieuw [...] tdekt.html ? The article doesn't say NASA believes the DNA to be alien per se. It only says that its composition is totally different from that of all known terrestrial DNA (as Phosporus is replaced by Arsenic in the bacterial composition. This still leaves open the possibility that the DNA originated on earth, but was formed under completely different circumstances than other life forms.The only significance this has, is that it proves that living organisms can use different basic building blocks than just phosphorus, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, hydrogen and sulphur. But I thought most scientists already intuitively agreed with that these.Of course, the actual NASA broadcast might reveal totally different information, for example evidence that the DNA must be extra-terrestrial for some reason. Extremely minor nitpicking: NOS is a Dutch radio and TV station, so the news first appeared on TV, not in the online article.[/citation]

Well nobody said it was extra terrestrial...

alien:

From Latin aliēnus (“belonging to someone else, later exotic, foreign”) from alius (“other”). Compare Ancient Greek αλλος (allos, “another, different”) and Old English elles (“else”).
 

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[citation][nom]JasonAkkerman[/nom]Armageddon? Really? You are so fired.[/citation]

Ummm... actually, Men in Black... Looks like we'll be looking for jobs together...
 

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[citation][nom]xbeater[/nom]Not to mention the article doesn't even mention Alien in any form... What do you guys use to read these articles? Google translate?Anyways yeah NOS doesn't have a magazine, its just the online website, kinda like BBC.[/citation]
The title of the article is "NASA Finds Alien DNA in Californian Lake" but Marcus Yam is right "alien does not strictly mean extraterrestrial", hence the term illegal-alien is not referring to people from outer space invading countries
 

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[citation][nom]yellowblue[/nom]Bad news to environmentalists. Now we have to maintain the lake to be polluted to save the newly discovered life form.[/citation]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 

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[citation][nom]jonpaul37[/nom]Fifteen Hundred years ago, Everyone knew that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Five Hundred years ago, Everyone knew that the Earth was flat. Five Minutes ago, Scientists knew that DNA was made up if 6 elements. Imagine what we'll "know" Tomorrow...[/citation]

ill bump this comment. we can only assume one way or another untill the actual facts are presented. like we assume the galexy is so big because our scopes will only reach so far.

 
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Common Sense,

Although the article is vague, I think you're misreading the leak. A bacteria that merely "eats" arsenic is different from one that has arsenic as part of its DNA.
 

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[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]I believe you're reading too much into it. Also, given that over 95% of this galaxy has been bombarded in gamma radiation from various novas, neutron star and black hole collisions, and other astrophysical phenomena that life can't possibly exist as much as normal people keep thinking it does. Physicists understand that 95% of the galaxy is uninhabitable, normal people don't. Just the fact that we exist is such a crap shoot that it certainly can't be an accident. The universe is just too hostile.[/citation]

95% of infinity is still huge... And biologists, physicists and whatever other scientists out there most of them believe that life somewhere else in the universe is not only possible, but probably a certainty.
 
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The idea that all life must have a specific organic makeup, or indeed be organic at all, remains one of the most ridiculous conjectures ever.
 
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Hey - smart people - get off of this website and get back to work!
 
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Se what happens when government funding gets cut - the inmates start concocting all sorts of stories to get fed . . .
 

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[citation][nom]horendus[/nom]This basically means that the amount of potential habitats in which life could have spawned outside of our planet has been dramatically increased. It also means the "bio genesis" looks to have occurred at least twice on our planet and proves without a doubt that our existence is no more unique than the next planet in which the chemical and energy conditions were enough to have started life.[/citation]
Assuming that NASA actually says what NOS is reporting it as saying, it does increase the number of possible forms of life by a factor of at least 2. However, just how common life is is something that will remain speculative until either ET lands, publicly, on Earth or we find life on other planets.
[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]Also, given that over 95% of this galaxy has been bombarded in gamma radiation from various novas, neutron star and black hole collisions, and other astrophysical phenomena that life can't possibly exist as much as normal people keep thinking it does. Physicists understand that 95% of the galaxy is uninhabitable, normal people don't. Just the fact that we exist is such a crap shoot that it certainly can't be an accident. The universe is just too hostile.[/citation]
In my opinion, scientists often assume that they know "everything" and base opinions such as this on assuming they know "everything." History has often shown that such assumptions are baseless. As I see it, it would be better stated that 95% of the galaxy is uninhabitable for life as we understand it. Though it is beyond current understanding, it is not impossible that life somewhere has developed in such extreme conditions and that such life has found a way to use such radiation in ways that support it or is perhaps required for such life to exist. Science used to think that the conditions under which extremophiles exist could not support life until extremophiles were found. Some extremophiles have even been found to exist in the cores of nuclear fission reactors.

Also note that astronomers have recently concluded that they have underestimated the number of stars in the known universe by a factor of three.
 
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