New HD channels WILL require new receivers.

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In article <newscache$34apli$z4a1$1@sidehack.gweep.net>,
newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org (MegaZone) wrote:

> Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
> >If reps are instructed to tell the falsehood that software upgrades are
> >in the works, what conclusion should one come to?
>
> Having worked in support in the past... how do you know the reps
> aren't just blowing it out their ass or mis-understanding the info
> they've been given?
>
> I saw co-workers making up complete bullshit just to finish a call
> more than once.
>
> Yes, sometimes corporations tell employees to lie - it happened to me
> - but that's more the exception than the rule.

Welcome to your exception then.

Two big lies.

1. Software upgrade for MPEG4.

2. TiVo price increase cause DirecTv is paying them more now.

 

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They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have to
provide new dishes along with it.

DTV will be handling this themselves, they're already putting together the
manpower to do the swap.

It will take months.

"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jackzwick-4B36A0.16022022082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> DIrecTv's press release proves it.
>
> "A Boeing 702 model satellite, Spaceway F2 is identical to the Spaceway
> F1 satellite, which launched April 26 from the Sea Launch platform and
> will conduct commercial operations from the 102.8-degree WL orbital
> slot."
>
>
> No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
>
>
> Which do you think they will do first?
>
> A) Sell every new model HD receiver they can for $500
> and new HD-DVR for $1000
>
> B) Swap out current HD receivers for new ones for free.

 

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In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
<agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:

> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have to
> provide new dishes along with it.

And the URL for that is where?

>
> DTV will be handling this themselves, they're already putting together the
> manpower to do the swap.
>
> It will take months.
>
> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-4B36A0.16022022082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> > DIrecTv's press release proves it.
> >
> > "A Boeing 702 model satellite, Spaceway F2 is identical to the Spaceway
> > F1 satellite, which launched April 26 from the Sea Launch platform and
> > will conduct commercial operations from the 102.8-degree WL orbital
> > slot."
> >
> >
> > No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
> >
> >
> > Which do you think they will do first?
> >
> > A) Sell every new model HD receiver they can for $500
> > and new HD-DVR for $1000
> >
> > B) Swap out current HD receivers for new ones for free.

 

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* Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> In article <430b37c0$0$63497$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
> "kjhjhjhj" <invalid@invalid.not> wrote:

>> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d746f16a4711699989f4d@news.nabs.net...
>> > Jack Zwick (jackzwick@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
>> >> > Other than CSRs (who can't even accurately tell you how much HBO
>> >> > costs),
>> >> > there hasn't been any statement of this from any DirecTV employee.

>> >> EVERY rep I've talked to has been instructed to say the software story.

>> > Since this isn't official in any way, it really makes no difference. You
>> > have no way of knowing that they haven't decided to mess with you and tell
>> > you this every time, and tell the truth to everybody else.

>> I'm sorry if this has been asked & answered before, but does anyone know (or
>> can speculate) whether the new DTV HD box will be TiVo-based or some yucky
>> proprietary system?

> Not TiVo.

You neglected to mention if you KNOW that or if its speculation, here,
I'll help, its speculation. Since they dont have one yet, knowing what the
OS will be based on can be nothing more.
--
David
Are there those in the land of the brave
Who can tell me how I should behave
When I am disgraced
Because I erased
A file I intended to save?

 

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* Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:

>> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have to
>> provide new dishes along with it.

> And the URL for that is where?

So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?

--
David
The only thing cheaper than hardware is talk.

 

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In article <bqs8u2x169.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have
> >> to
> >> provide new dishes along with it.
>
> > And the URL for that is where?
>
> So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
> someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?

Us TiVo lovers have been closing watching DirecTv's games with DVRs.

 

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* Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> In article <bqs8u2x169.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
> SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

>> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
>> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:

>> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have
>> >> to
>> >> provide new dishes along with it.

>> > And the URL for that is where?

>> So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
>> someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?

> Us TiVo lovers have been closing watching DirecTv's games with DVRs.

I am a Tivo lover and a DTV customer and have concerned myself with none
of the above, please don't lump us all in the same category.
--
David
It's computer hardware, of course it's worth having <g>
-- Espy on #Debian

 

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In article <rs79u2xodc.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > In article <bqs8u2x169.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
> > SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> >> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably
> >> >> have
> >> >> to
> >> >> provide new dishes along with it.
>
> >> > And the URL for that is where?
>
> >> So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
> >> someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?
>
> > Us TiVo lovers have been closing watching DirecTv's games with DVRs.
>
> I am a Tivo lover and a DTV customer and have concerned myself with none
> of the above, please don't lump us all in the same category.

You're bragging about being inattentive?

 

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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.ptv.tivo.]
* Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> In article <rs79u2xodc.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
> SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

>> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > In article <bqs8u2x169.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
>> > SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

>> >> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> >> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
>> >> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:

>> >> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> provide new dishes along with it.

>> >> > And the URL for that is where?

>> >> So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
>> >> someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?

>> > Us TiVo lovers have been closing watching DirecTv's games with DVRs.

>> I am a Tivo lover and a DTV customer and have concerned myself with none
>> of the above, please don't lump us all in the same category.

> You're bragging about being inattentive?

Tell me again why I should care? I have long ago recouped the cost
associated with my Dtivo, Arguably, DTV has lost money on me as I
ordered the smaller versions and hacked them to increase space and
features. regardless of what happens I've lost nothing. I am not being
inattentive, there is simply no reason to be attentive to something I
have no control over and the results of which are trivial.

I don't go and call DTV's customer service to test their knowledge and
claim that they are lying or clueless because it has no effect on my TV
watching or Tivo use. If and or when the time comes where I need to
worry about it I will make my decision based on what is available, not
on what I believe should be available or what some $9/hour CSR tells me.

You should read Stephen Covey's book 7 Habits, perhaps then you will
understand.

--
David
A waist is a terrible thing to mind.
-- Ziggy

 

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In article <k2a9u2x61d.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.ptv.tivo.]
> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > In article <rs79u2xodc.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
> > SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> > In article <bqs8u2x169.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com>,
> >> > SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> * Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> >> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> >> >> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> provide new dishes along with it.
>
> >> >> > And the URL for that is where?
>
> >> >> So it OK for you to litter the thread with speculation but when you see
> >> >> someone else do the same its "link?" time huh?
>
> >> > Us TiVo lovers have been closing watching DirecTv's games with DVRs.
>
> >> I am a Tivo lover and a DTV customer and have concerned myself with none
> >> of the above, please don't lump us all in the same category.
>
> > You're bragging about being inattentive?
>
> Tell me again why I should care? I have long ago recouped the cost
> associated with my Dtivo, Arguably, DTV has lost money on me as I
> ordered the smaller versions and hacked them to increase space and
> features. regardless of what happens I've lost nothing. I am not being
> inattentive, there is simply no reason to be attentive to something I
> have no control over and the results of which are trivial.
>
> I don't go and call DTV's customer service to test their knowledge and
> claim that they are lying or clueless because it has no effect on my TV
> watching or Tivo use. If and or when the time comes where I need to
> worry about it I will make my decision based on what is available, not
> on what I believe should be available or what some $9/hour CSR tells me.
>
> You should read Stephen Covey's book 7 Habits, perhaps then you will
> understand.

OK, miss out on HDTV and see if I care.

 

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>>>You're bragging about being inattentive?
>>
>>Tell me again why I should care? I have long ago recouped the cost
>>associated with my Dtivo, Arguably, DTV has lost money on me as I
>>ordered the smaller versions and hacked them to increase space and
>>features. regardless of what happens I've lost nothing. I am not being
>>inattentive, there is simply no reason to be attentive to something I
>>have no control over and the results of which are trivial.
>>
>>I don't go and call DTV's customer service to test their knowledge and
>>claim that they are lying or clueless because it has no effect on my TV
>>watching or Tivo use. If and or when the time comes where I need to
>>worry about it I will make my decision based on what is available, not
>>on what I believe should be available or what some $9/hour CSR tells me.
>>
>>You should read Stephen Covey's book 7 Habits, perhaps then you will
>>understand.
>
>
> OK, miss out on HDTV and see if I care.

Or maybe he's willing to sit back and enjoy what he has and choose the
best option once more options are available. Seems much more productive
that a lot of pointless speculation. These are the facts (not all of
which are verifiable by URL, but are pretty well known from multiple
sources):

- Directv will be offering a non-Tivo DVR at some point in the future.
(release date unknown, and several speculated dates have come and gone)

- Directv is raising their DVR subscription rates from 4.99 to 5.99, but
existing subscriptions are so far exempt.

- Directv will be implementing MPEG-4 KA band video transmissions, but
as of yet have nothing in *production* to display them on. Only the
localized beams will be using the new transmission technology, so old
current recievers will still be able to use the national beams. No "turn
on" or availability date has been announced.

All else is speculation and attempts at using deductive logic to
conclusions. Directv has not said how they will handle customer-owned
equipment once the new bands go production. Will they swap them out?
For free or at reduced cost? Will they discontinue the Tivo models
and/or stop service to them? Seems doubtful to me, but that's just
speculation. Might as well just wait and see. Me, I want a cable card
2.0 dual tuner HD SA Tivo with component and HDMI outputs and 5.1
digital sound, so I can have my cake and eat it too ;-).

Randy S.

 

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* Jack Zwick wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

[...]

> OK, miss out on HDTV and see if I care.

Considering my current TV would not display the signal, nothing that
DirecTV does will have any effect on my TV viewing.
--
David
"I just want to be a good engineer."
-- Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Computer, concluding his keynote speech
at the 1988 AppleFest

 

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No URL, take it for what it's worth from a satellite dealer of some 20 years
who has some pretty good inside contacts.

Believe it or not, your choice.

"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jackzwick-F7558E.21534526082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have
>> to
>> provide new dishes along with it.
>
> And the URL for that is where?
>
>>
>> DTV will be handling this themselves, they're already putting together
>> the
>> manpower to do the swap.
>>
>> It will take months.
>>
>> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:jackzwick-4B36A0.16022022082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
>> > DIrecTv's press release proves it.
>> >
>> > "A Boeing 702 model satellite, Spaceway F2 is identical to the Spaceway
>> > F1 satellite, which launched April 26 from the Sea Launch platform and
>> > will conduct commercial operations from the 102.8-degree WL orbital
>> > slot."
>> >
>> >
>> > No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
>> >
>> >
>> > Which do you think they will do first?
>> >
>> > A) Sell every new model HD receiver they can for $500
>> > and new HD-DVR for $1000
>> >
>> > B) Swap out current HD receivers for new ones for free.

 

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Randy S. (rswitt@NOSPAM.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> - Directv will be implementing MPEG-4 KA band video transmissions, but
> as of yet have nothing in *production* to display them on. Only the
> localized beams will be using the new transmission technology, so old
> current recievers will still be able to use the national beams.

This is not quite true. *New* HD channels will likely use Ka/MPEG-4
regardless of whether they are spot beam or not.

But, existing MPEG-2 HDTV channels won't be turned off any time soon, so
old receivers will have the same functionality they have now.

--
Jeff Rife | "Hey, Brain, what do you wanna do tonight?"
|
| "The same thing we do every night, Pinky...
| try to take over the world."

 

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In article <lfqdnaTDk9kS7I_eRVn-jw@comcast.com>, agnesspor@comcast.net writes:
| No URL, take it for what it's worth from a satellite dealer of some 20 years
| who has some pretty good inside contacts.

Do you happen to know if the swap will depend on having particular subscription
packages?

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com


| > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
| > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
| >
| >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have
| >> to
| >> provide new dishes along with it.

 

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Jeff Rife wrote:
> Randy S. (rswitt@NOSPAM.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>>- Directv will be implementing MPEG-4 KA band video transmissions, but
>>as of yet have nothing in *production* to display them on. Only the
>>localized beams will be using the new transmission technology, so old
>>current recievers will still be able to use the national beams.
>
>
> This is not quite true. *New* HD channels will likely use Ka/MPEG-4
> regardless of whether they are spot beam or not.
>
> But, existing MPEG-2 HDTV channels won't be turned off any time soon, so
> old receivers will have the same functionality they have now.
>

Ok, Thanks Jeff, you're more privy to these things then I am ;-).
Fortunately, the general points still hold.

Randy S.

 

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In article <lfqdnaTDk9kS7I_eRVn-jw@comcast.com>,
<agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:

> No URL, take it for what it's worth from a satellite dealer of some 20 years
> who has some pretty good inside contacts.
>
> Believe it or not, your choice.

No logical reason to keep it a secret, or lose sales by refusing to put
it in writing.

Amd mo reason to believe an uunvalidated tale from a dealer with a
vested interest in having one believe his tale.



>
> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-F7558E.21534526082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <__qdnYkINOtSKJLeRVn-qA@comcast.com>,
> > <agnesspor@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> They will swap out existing HD receivers for free and will probably have
> >> to
> >> provide new dishes along with it.
> >
> > And the URL for that is where?
> >
> >>
> >> DTV will be handling this themselves, they're already putting together
> >> the
> >> manpower to do the swap.
> >>
> >> It will take months.
> >>
> >> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:jackzwick-4B36A0.16022022082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> >> > DIrecTv's press release proves it.
> >> >
> >> > "A Boeing 702 model satellite, Spaceway F2 is identical to the Spaceway
> >> > F1 satellite, which launched April 26 from the Sea Launch platform and
> >> > will conduct commercial operations from the 102.8-degree WL orbital
> >> > slot."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Which do you think they will do first?
> >> >
> >> > A) Sell every new model HD receiver they can for $500
> >> > and new HD-DVR for $1000
> >> >
> >> > B) Swap out current HD receivers for new ones for free.

 

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>> >> > No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.

You are overlooking the fact that most receivers can take software
upgrades.

--Gary

 

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In article <4315eb8f.46747777@news.west.earthlink.net>,
gdavisloop@earthlink.net (Gary Davis) wrote:

>
> >> >> > No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
>
> You are overlooking the fact that most receivers can take software
> upgrades.

And which orbital slot will they then abandon? AND THEY WOULD LACK MPEG4
HARDWARE IN ANY EVENT.

 

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Gary Davis wrote:
>>>>>>No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
>
>
> You are overlooking the fact that most receivers can take software
> upgrades.

But software upgrades don't help if it takes new hardware to
receive channels in a different frequency band.
-Joe