New HD channels WILL require new receivers.

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:52:44 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:

> In article <pan.2005.08.31.17.25.47.5582@removethis.oz.net>,
> Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
>>
>> > In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
>> > "AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000 units,
>> >> > you are the one dreaming.
>> >>
>> >> Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
>> >> anywhere near $1000?
>> >>
>> >> With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe you
>> >> should subscribe to hi def cable.
>> >
>> > I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
>> > shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
>> > reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
>> > all them.
>> >
>> > They have said zero publically.
>>
>> And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
>> reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies.
>
> Thats exactly what they did by pre-announcing the satellite launches the
> number of new channels and the number of cities to be covered by
> satellite provided HD locals and the order they are coming.

I suspect that the FCC requires that sort of disclosure, whereas equipment
pricing is another matter. Listing the channels and cities may help to
reduce churn (gosh, if I wait long enough, DTV will have HD coverage of my
locals--sorry, Comcast).

 

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In article <4315f650$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:

> On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>
> [...]
> >> Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
> >> certainly be fitting.
> >
> > I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
> > insults.
>
> Now who's slinging personal insults?
>
> I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
> prove any of your 'guesses'.


Calling me Chicken Little is what if not an insult.

I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
upgrades.

 

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On 08/31/2005 2:48 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:

> In article <4315f650$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> >> Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
>> >> certainly be fitting.
>> >
>> > I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
>> > insults.
>>
>> Now who's slinging personal insults?
>>
>> I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
>> prove any of your 'guesses'.
>
> Calling me Chicken Little is what if not an insult.

I didn't call you Chicken Little. I suggested you might want to consider
that for a 'screen name' based upon the attitude you reflect here.

> I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> upgrades.

Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
both ways.

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http/www.soundclick.com/rockermann

 

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In article <pan.2005.08.31.19.28.58.927071@removethis.oz.net>,
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:52:44 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2005.08.31.17.25.47.5582@removethis.oz.net>,
> > Bob Nielsen <nielsen@removethis.oz.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:03 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> >> > "AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > If you think Dtv will instantly swap out old units for new $1000
> >> >> > units,
> >> >> > you are the one dreaming.
> >> >>
> >> >> Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
> >> >> anywhere near $1000?
> >> >>
> >> >> With all your concerns and obvious sleepless nights over this, maybe
> >> >> you
> >> >> should subscribe to hi def cable.
> >> >
> >> > I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
> >> > shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
> >> > reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best of
> >> > all them.
> >> >
> >> > They have said zero publically.
> >>
> >> And they are unlikely to do so until the rollout is imminent. There is no
> >> reason to show their hand to Dish and the cable companies.
> >
> > Thats exactly what they did by pre-announcing the satellite launches the
> > number of new channels and the number of cities to be covered by
> > satellite provided HD locals and the order they are coming.
>
> I suspect that the FCC requires that sort of disclosure, whereas equipment
> pricing is another matter. Listing the channels and cities may help to
> reduce churn (gosh, if I wait long enough, DTV will have HD coverage of my
> locals--sorry, Comcast).

The SEC has even more stringent rules than the FCC, thank you. And
promises of free or reduced price upgrades wouldn't reduce churn????

 

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Steve M. Mann wrote:

>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>>upgrades.
>
>
> Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> both ways.

I see logic isn't your strong suit.

 

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In article <43160b10$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:

> On 08/31/2005 2:48 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>
> > In article <4315f650$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/31/2005 12:51 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> >> Shouldn't you change your on screen name to Chicken Little? It would
> >> >> certainly be fitting.
> >> >
> >> > I love it when USENET posters lose an argument and lapse into childish
> >> > insults.
> >>
> >> Now who's slinging personal insults?
> >>
> >> I never insulted you, nor did I loose any 'argument'. You have yet to
> >> prove any of your 'guesses'.
> >
> > Calling me Chicken Little is what if not an insult.
>
> I didn't call you Chicken Little. I suggested you might want to consider
> that for a 'screen name' based upon the attitude you reflect here.
>
> > I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> > upgrades.
>
> Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> both ways.

I never said there won't be, I just said you can't say there will be.

 

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>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>>>upgrades.
>>
>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>>both ways.
>
>
> I never said there won't be, I just said you can't say there will be.

Jack, then just what is your point here? That front-line reps are
clueless? Granted. That no one knows exactly how DTV is going to
handle the switchover? Granted. There's really nothing else to argue
about, everything else is just speculation.

DTV will hand out as little information as they can get away with. The
only thing they will release is glowing reports of how great everything
will be once they switch. Nothing concrete so they can keep everybody
holding their breaths. If they don't tell us what they're going to do,
we can't start complaining about it ahead of time (well, most of us,
anyway).

Randy S.

 

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Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jackzwick-B8DA1C.08320331082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com:

> I have no sleepless nights. I also have zero idea how this will all
> shake out, except that of all the infinite possibilities, there is no
> reason to try and fool yourself that DirecTv is committed to the best
> of all them.

You sure seem to be consumed with this issue in your waking moments.
You say you have "zero idea" what will happen, yet you also seem to have a
compulsion to argue on and on about the subject with anyone who offers his
own guess on what may happen.

You made it quite clear, over and over and over again what you believe WONT
happen, so why not give the subject a rest for a while and lower your blood
pressure a little?

Everyone else's guess is just as good as yours. Stop asking for URL's - as
you have not provided any to back up your quite obvious notion that DTV is
going to stick it to us (reference your plentiful previous posts for your
transparent feelings on the subject). People are free to speculate without
the need to provide URL's.

 

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Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jackzwick-5711B0.14424230082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com:

> In article <uqednXkS_JcHAIneRVn-iA@comcast.com>,
> "AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> What I was told is that any ACTIVE HiDef unit will be swapped. SOME
>> areas will need new dishes -- presumably for hi def locals.
>> There MAY be a total of five satellite locations that will have to be
>> accessed by this rumored antenna upgrade.
>
> Anytime I hear such stuff from a DirecTv rep, I ask for it in writing,
> and they quickly change the subject.

Why in the world should they give you that in writing, even if it is the
current plan?

 

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Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> > In Washington, DC (#8 market in the country), there are 12 digital TV
> > channels on line. Five of them are SD-only, and only one of the other
> > 7 shows any HDTV that isn't sourced from the network.
> >
> > This is pretty much typical across the country, although some areas don't
> > have any passthrough of network HD...they have nothing but SD.
> >
>
> Locally it seems pretty typical that a broadcaster will have 2
> subchannels, one of which is SD, the other is either HD all the time, or
> HD in the evening, and SD the rest of the time.

Actually, that's true here, too, if you want the details.

Of the 7 that show some HDTV, 3 have a full-time setup with one HD sub-channel
and one SD sub-channel. PBS varies (HD only at night, and 4 SD channels
during the day), while WB, Fox, and UPN are full-time with a single HD
channel.

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| last man within a thousand mile radius, I would
| swim across the ocean on a rumor that Screech
| from 'Saved by the Bell' was spotted in Japan."
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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:df5ehb$7fu$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
>
> >>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> >>>upgrades.
> >>
> >>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> >>both ways.
> >
> >
> > I never said there won't be, I just said you can't say there will be.
>
> Jack, then just what is your point here? That front-line reps are
> clueless? Granted. That no one knows exactly how DTV is going to
> handle the switchover? Granted. There's really nothing else to argue
> about, everything else is just speculation.
>
> DTV will hand out as little information as they can get away with. The
> only thing they will release is glowing reports of how great everything
> will be once they switch. Nothing concrete so they can keep everybody
> holding their breaths. If they don't tell us what they're going to do,
> we can't start complaining about it ahead of time (well, most of us,
> anyway).
>

Need I point out that people are complaining about the new DirecTV DVR
that hasn't yet been released? The Owner's Guide was put on a web site
and the complaints started.

I don't care what DirecTV does with High Definition. I don't own a High Definition
TV display and have no plans to purchase one.

If DirecTV wants my business, they will find a way to update my receivers
and dishes when required at minimal cost to me.

 

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In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
wrote:

> Steve M. Mann wrote:
>
> >>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> >>upgrades.
> >
> >
> > Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> > both ways.
>
> I see logic isn't your strong suit.

You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".

Sorry you didn't take logic in college.

ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
that might require it.

 

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Jack Zwick wrote:

> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>>>>upgrades.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>>>both ways.
>>
>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>
>
> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>
> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>
> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
> that might require it.

Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.

My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
simply stuck in the attack mode?

 

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On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
>
>> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>>>>>upgrades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>>>>both ways.
>>>
>>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>>
>>
>> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>>
>> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>>
>> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
>> that might require it.
>
> Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
>
> My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
> simply stuck in the attack mode?

Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
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http/www.soundclick.com/rockermann

 

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Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote in news:XJWdneyhAbQnr4neRVn-3Q@comcast.com:

> Gary Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
>>
>>
>> You are overlooking the fact that most receivers can take software
>> upgrades.
>
> But software upgrades don't help if it takes new hardware to
> receive channels in a different frequency band.
> -Joe
>

But the differen frequency band will be downconverted to the same IF that
has been used for nearly 20 years.

 

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"AGN" <agnesspor1234@comcast.net> wrote in news:-9ydnQNPYs4TAIjeRVn-
gQ@comcast.com:

> Watch and see, sport. Do you actually believe that the units cost DTV
> anywhere near $1000?

Considering they are ground up new technology, they will have an MSRP of at
least $500 to begin with. That is before any subsdies and rebates DirecTV
carves from the MSRP.

 

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In article <Xns96C46316BCB9wonkynillmailnil@142.77.1.194>,
Gary Tait <classicsat@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote in news:XJWdneyhAbQnr4neRVn-3Q@comcast.com:
>
> > Gary Davis wrote:
> >>>>>>>No existing receiver is designed to handle the 102.8 WL slot.
> >>
> >>
> >> You are overlooking the fact that most receivers can take software
> >> upgrades.
> >
> > But software upgrades don't help if it takes new hardware to
> > receive channels in a different frequency band.
> > -Joe
> >
>
> But the differen frequency band will be downconverted to the same IF that
> has been used for nearly 20 years.


Perhaps he meant Different orbital slot.

 

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In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:

> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
>
> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >
> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> >>>>>upgrades.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> >>>>both ways.
> >>>
> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
> >>
> >>
> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
> >>
> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
> >>
> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
> >> that might require it.
> >
> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
> >
> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
>
> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?

Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?

 

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On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:

> In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
>>
>> > Jack Zwick wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>> >>>>>upgrades.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>> >>>>both ways.
>> >>>
>> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>> >>
>> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>> >>
>> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
>> >> that might require it.
>> >
>> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
>> >
>> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
>> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
>>
>> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
>
> Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
> MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?

Most likely, just a few days after they send it.
--
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http/www.soundclick.com/rockermann

 

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"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:jackzwick-CF8F9F.07310701092005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Steve M. Mann wrote:
> >
> > >>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> > >>upgrades.
> > >
> > >
> > > Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> > > both ways.
> >
> > I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>
> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>
> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>
> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
> that might require it.

Guidelines and requirements are not equivalent.

Can you cite the SEC guidelines that address the issue?