Newbie (to dvb) asking for help

[Guest]

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I live in Canada. Several years ago I used a semi legal Dish Network
receiver for which I paid subscriptions through some "broker" in the USA. I
gave it up and obtained ExpressVu (which is OK). My family very much wants
to be able to receive The Gem Shopping Network which is supposed to be
available on G3C transponder 14 so I bought a PanSat 2500A, mainly to enable
me to get this channel (it is a fun thing to have in itself). I have
located the Gem channel and get a good strong signal quality but no picture
or sound show up despite the receiver apparently "seeing" it. I suspect I
have a problem with the settings of the transponder but unfortunately I have
not yet understood what all the numbers and letters given in lyngsat mean or
how I change them in the 2500A. Could anyone point me to instructions
written in understandable English please?
If I cannot manage to get this working I am considering getting another semi
legal Dish or Direct TV system as both carry the Gem Shopping channel. I
have lost the address of my old broker and would appreciate advice as to
whether this is still feasible. Also I don't know where I might obtain the
actual receiver in Canada. Any and all advice would be received with
thanks. I have no intention of going the highly illegal route of fiddling
with software and stuff in the PanSat receiver.
Please reply either to the group or be email. My email address needs a
little amendment as follows:- Change the first a to r. and also delete
nspm. TIA
Alan Combellack
acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca

 

[Guest]

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You are right.You need to check the frequency,polarization and symbol rate
again.How ever,it could be possible that the channel is encrypted now.There
are a lot of channels that have encrypted video,but ITC audio.

"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:ryvFd.37994$TN6.1423316@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I live in Canada. Several years ago I used a semi legal Dish Network
> receiver for which I paid subscriptions through some "broker" in the USA.
> I gave it up and obtained ExpressVu (which is OK). My family very much
> wants to be able to receive The Gem Shopping Network which is supposed to
> be available on G3C transponder 14 so I bought a PanSat 2500A, mainly to
> enable me to get this channel (it is a fun thing to have in itself). I
> have located the Gem channel and get a good strong signal quality but no
> picture or sound show up despite the receiver apparently "seeing" it. I
> suspect I have a problem with the settings of the transponder but
> unfortunately I have not yet understood what all the numbers and letters
> given in lyngsat mean or how I change them in the 2500A. Could anyone
> point me to instructions written in understandable English please?
> If I cannot manage to get this working I am considering getting another
> semi legal Dish or Direct TV system as both carry the Gem Shopping
> channel. I have lost the address of my old broker and would appreciate
> advice as to whether this is still feasible. Also I don't know where I
> might obtain the actual receiver in Canada. Any and all advice would be
> received with thanks. I have no intention of going the highly illegal
> route of fiddling with software and stuff in the PanSat receiver.
> Please reply either to the group or be email. My email address needs a
> little amendment as follows:- Change the first a to r. and also delete
> nspm. TIA
> Alan Combellack
> acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca
>

 

[ME]

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Do you have a "C" band setup? because you need that to view GEM Shopping.
I'm not sure what size dish you'll need to receive it, but you can't pick it
up with a Ku Band LNB /Dish


"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:ryvFd.37994$TN6.1423316@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I live in Canada. Several years ago I used a semi legal Dish Network
> receiver for which I paid subscriptions through some "broker" in the USA.
I
> gave it up and obtained ExpressVu (which is OK). My family very much
wants
> to be able to receive The Gem Shopping Network which is supposed to be
> available on G3C transponder 14 so I bought a PanSat 2500A, mainly to
enable
> me to get this channel (it is a fun thing to have in itself). I have
> located the Gem channel and get a good strong signal quality but no
picture
> or sound show up despite the receiver apparently "seeing" it. I suspect I
> have a problem with the settings of the transponder but unfortunately I
have
> not yet understood what all the numbers and letters given in lyngsat mean
or
> how I change them in the 2500A. Could anyone point me to instructions
> written in understandable English please?
> If I cannot manage to get this working I am considering getting another
semi
> legal Dish or Direct TV system as both carry the Gem Shopping channel. I
> have lost the address of my old broker and would appreciate advice as to
> whether this is still feasible. Also I don't know where I might obtain
the
> actual receiver in Canada. Any and all advice would be received with
> thanks. I have no intention of going the highly illegal route of fiddling
> with software and stuff in the PanSat receiver.
> Please reply either to the group or be email. My email address needs a
> little amendment as follows:- Change the first a to r. and also delete
> nspm. TIA
> Alan Combellack
> acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Thanks. Yes I have a very old solid 8 ft aluminum dish which had not been
used for years. I put in a new lnb, actuator and polarotor as they had been
damaged by lightning and it works well on the few clear channels. The Pansat
does find the channel, and about 20 others, on C3C C band but only about
four actually give me pictures. None of these have any sound. The Ku, from
a separate dish, generally work well.
Alan C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Me" <noone@noone.com>
Newsgroups: alt.video.satellite.mpeg-dvb
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Newbie (to dvb) asking for help


> Do you have a "C" band set-up? because you need that to view GEM
> Shopping.
> I'm not sure what size dish you'll need to receive it, but you can't pick
> it
> up with a Ku Band LNB /Dish

"

 

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[on gray market subscription]
> If I am not mistaken, they just made it illegal for real in Canada

It has been nominally illegal for a while.

Your "just" comment is perhaps about the recent proposed Bill C2 that
died with the last session.

A Quebec judge, bless her heart, has recently ruled that such CRTC
rules banning gray market are in violation of basic Charter rights (of
course).

Thue, the whole Gray Market is still very much a gray area. Common
sense will, of course, eventually rule that freedom of communications,
freedom of expression, freedon of choice takes ~huge~ precedence over
any possible economic or (duo-block, English/French) cultural
considerations.

It also helps that CRTC has recently had their over-reaching hand
slapped.

 

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My new lnb for the C band dish works well and I now see lots of things,
with sound, on G3C. Not the Gem Shopping Network though.
Has anyone actually managed to get sound and picture from G3C C band Gem
Shopping Network on Transponder 10, frequency 3915, Vertical polarity,
symbol rate 1860, audio 4131 as described in lyngsat's site
http/www.lyngsat.com/g3c.html ?
I have tried a number of variations with no success. I get no "quality
from this tp at all. I do get more "free" channels than lyngsat says
should be there although several are duplicated so I have no idea what is
going on. I do see and heat the Voice of America channels which suggests
that I am on G3C. Could the PanSat 2500A be picking up signals from a
nearby satellite? I thought that this should not happen.
I have spent a lot of time and a fair bit of money trying to get the Gem
Shopping Network and would very much appreciate any help I can get. The Gem
Shopping Network did not answer my query so I am stuck.
Thanks in advance
Alan Combellack

>>"kryppy" <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote in message
>>news:1eoeu0hlt2ttok32t45o20laql90eq7g0t@4ax.com...

>>> The freq is 3915
>>> SR is 1860
>>>
>>> You should be able to do a blind scan and get it provided your dish
>>> is aligned correctly, and the LO is set to 5150.
>>>
> Ok, scratch what I said. I'm not getting GEM. I am getting a ton of
> stuff that has sound on V & H. though.
>

 

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Hello everyone,
My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows

"Alan, to make the story short; majority of the consumer receivers are not
capable of processing sybmol rates lower than 2000 MBit/s.
GSN's SR is 1860 so that's the only possible explanation of your problem."

Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A to
fix this?

Alan C

"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:ryvFd.37994$TN6.1423316@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I live in Canada. Several years ago I used a semi legal Dish Network
> receiver for which I paid subscriptions through some "broker" in the USA.
> I

 

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:40:04 -0500, kryppy <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:35:59 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
><acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>

>
>If I am not mistaken, they just made it illegal for real in Canada,
>and a sub deal with credit card info seems a real bad idea.
>They discuss everything DVB under the sun over at www.al7bar.tk if
>you want to read about it.
>

But it is still very illegal to steal service,no matter what the
status is regarding grey market.

 

[Guest]

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Even if there isn't any specific law in Canada(there is an international
one) about stealing Dishnet and DTv signals,two things are still true:

1) you are aiding and abetting the satellite piracy industry
2) as far the canadian authorities are concerned -if you have the "hardware"
and the gall to steal american signals,then you have the attitude and the
hardware to potentially steal Canadian signals also!

It costs more to steal than to pay for it.

Like I said,it's the satellite pirates that made life diffficult for C band
in Canada.

"Gary J. Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ahuiu0hferfo9hfuavack3b3kfli404796@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:40:04 -0500, kryppy <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:35:59 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
>><acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>If I am not mistaken, they just made it illegal for real in Canada,
>>and a sub deal with credit card info seems a real bad idea.
>>They discuss everything DVB under the sun over at www.al7bar.tk if
>>you want to read about it.
>>
>
> But it is still very illegal to steal service,no matter what the
> status is regarding grey market.

 

[Guest]

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I am even more confused now. One of my many queries yesterday went to
PanSat. Their interim response was to the effect that their receiver works
to 1000 symbol rate but they will check for me on Monday. Ain't life fun??
Alan C

"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news%dGd.60761$TN6.2194949@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Hello everyone,
> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>
> "Alan, to make the story short; majority of the consumer receivers are not
> capable of processing sybmol rates lower than 2000 MBit/s.
> GSN's SR is 1860 so that's the only possible explanation of your problem."
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A to
> fix this?
>
> Alan C

 

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:17:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
<acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hello everyone,
> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>
>"Alan, to make the story short; majority of the consumer receivers are not
>capable of processing sybmol rates lower than 2000 MBit/s.
>GSN's SR is 1860 so that's the only possible explanation of your problem."
>
>Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A to
>fix this?


It will process low SR's. I am going to try with a PowerVU a little
later, but I did find a SNG at the GEM freq. They are saying it is
really there?

 

[Guest]

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Thank you Sir,
I'd very much appreciate that. So far I have been unable to find anyone
who has actually seen this channel from G3C on dvb. The Gem Network has
still not answered my query but their web site does show that it should be
there. Lyngsat web master did not actually confirm that it is actually
there either, he simply said that the low symbol rate must be my problem.
PanSat said it would work to 1000 symbol rate so should be OK.
Incidentally the lyngsat G3C page shows about 20 free digital channels
whereas I get about 75 TV and 36 radio channels, most of which have pictures
although there are many repeats with strange (various languages) sound on
some of them. This was following what the PanSat calls a Smart Search.
Maybe it included the scrambled channels. This seems to look at everything
on the satellite and I now seem to have 37 transponders listed for G3C. I
thought there were only 24 on C Band or are these some sort of different
transponders? What is a SNG? I get lots of them some of which have a
"quality" associated and some without. A few produce actual pictures and
sound.
I wish I understood this stuff better. Perhaps I should buy a book :-}
It's interesting though.

Alan Combellack

"kryppy" <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote in message
news:9gtku09so3dgfekk7fd2oj2lu8ebir2hi8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:17:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
> <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Hello everyone,
>> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>>
>>Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A to
>>fix this?
>
>
> It will process low SR's. I am going to try with a PowerVU a little
> later, but I did find a SNG at the GEM freq. They are saying it is
> really there?

 

[Guest]

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The fortec lifetime works below 2 also,and I checked G3\C myself.A good
signal is shown on Gems,but do you think I lock it in.Nope!Even tried a
power scan....of course I'm after the horse and doggie feed,but I always
lock shopping channels just for fun and to use for a marker,when I'm adding
channels.


"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:bBtGd.707$K03.14017@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I am even more confused now. One of my many queries yesterday went to
>PanSat. Their interim response was to the effect that their receiver works
>to 1000 symbol rate but they will check for me on Monday. Ain't life fun??
> Alan C
>
> "Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news%dGd.60761$TN6.2194949@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Hello everyone,
>> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>>
>> "Alan, to make the story short; majority of the consumer receivers are
>> not capable of processing sybmol rates lower than 2000 MBit/s.
>> GSN's SR is 1860 so that's the only possible explanation of your
>> problem."
>>
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A
>> to fix this?
>>
>> Alan C
>
>

 

[Guest]

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It is not advsiable to query any channels directly,because they are not up
there for us!If enough people do that they will encrypt the signal,so only
enquire among the sat newsgroups and satforum!

"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:TovGd.894$K03.30812@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Thank you Sir,
> I'd very much appreciate that. So far I have been unable to find anyone
> who has actually seen this channel from G3C on dvb. The Gem Network has
> still not answered my query but their web site does show that it should be
> there. Lyngsat web master did not actually confirm that it is actually
> there either, he simply said that the low symbol rate must be my problem.
> PanSat said it would work to 1000 symbol rate so should be OK.
> Incidentally the lyngsat G3C page shows about 20 free digital channels
> whereas I get about 75 TV and 36 radio channels, most of which have
> pictures although there are many repeats with strange (various languages)
> sound on some of them. This was following what the PanSat calls a Smart
> Search. Maybe it included the scrambled channels. This seems to look at
> everything on the satellite and I now seem to have 37 transponders listed
> for G3C. I thought there were only 24 on C Band or are these some sort of
> different transponders? What is a SNG? I get lots of them some of which
> have a "quality" associated and some without. A few produce actual
> pictures and sound.
> I wish I understood this stuff better. Perhaps I should buy a book :-}
> It's interesting though.
>
> Alan Combellack
>
> "kryppy" <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote in message
> news:9gtku09so3dgfekk7fd2oj2lu8ebir2hi8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:17:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
>> <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello everyone,
>>> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>>>
>>>Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A
>>>to
>>>fix this?
>>
>>
>> It will process low SR's. I am going to try with a PowerVU a little
>> later, but I did find a SNG at the GEM freq. They are saying it is
>> really there?
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Kryppy,
Did you have any luck checking the gem Shopping Network?
Alan C

"kryppy" <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote in message
news:9gtku09so3dgfekk7fd2oj2lu8ebir2hi8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:17:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
> <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> It will process low SR's. I am going to try with a PowerVU a little
> later, but I did find a SNG at the GEM freq. They are saying it is
> really there?

 

[mc]

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"Alan Combellack" <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:TovGd.894$K03.30812@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Thank you Sir,
> I'd very much appreciate that. So far I have been unable to find anyone
> who has actually seen this channel from G3C on dvb. The Gem Network has
> still not answered my query but their web site does show that it should be
> there. Lyngsat web master did not actually confirm that it is actually
> there either, he simply said that the low symbol rate must be my problem.
> PanSat said it would work to 1000 symbol rate so should be OK.
> Incidentally the lyngsat G3C page shows about 20 free digital channels
> whereas I get about 75 TV and 36 radio channels, most of which have
pictures
> although there are many repeats with strange (various languages) sound on
> some of them. This was following what the PanSat calls a Smart Search.
> Maybe it included the scrambled channels. This seems to look at
everything
> on the satellite and I now seem to have 37 transponders listed for G3C. I
> thought there were only 24 on C Band or are these some sort of different
> transponders? What is a SNG? I get lots of them some of which have a
> "quality" associated and some without. A few produce actual pictures and
> sound.
> I wish I understood this stuff better. Perhaps I should buy a book :-}
> It's interesting though.
>


a lot of the "SNG" labelled channels are probably just wild feeds, meaning
they are up and down all day. Used by the sat-trucks to beam signal to the
satellite so the receiving station can get it. Sometimes you'll get unedited
live newsfeeds of news reports.

 

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:05:25 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
<acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:

>Thank you Sir,
> I'd very much appreciate that. So far I have been unable to find anyone
>who has actually seen this channel from G3C on dvb. The Gem Network has
>still not answered my query but their web site does show that it should be
>there. Lyngsat web master did not actually confirm that it is actually
>there either, he simply said that the low symbol rate must be my problem.
>PanSat said it would work to 1000 symbol rate so should be OK.
> Incidentally the lyngsat G3C page shows about 20 free digital channels
>whereas I get about 75 TV and 36 radio channels, most of which have pictures
>although there are many repeats with strange (various languages) sound on
>some of them. This was following what the PanSat calls a Smart Search.
>Maybe it included the scrambled channels. This seems to look at everything
>on the satellite and I now seem to have 37 transponders listed for G3C. I
>thought there were only 24 on C Band or are these some sort of different
>transponders? What is a SNG? I get lots of them some of which have a
>"quality" associated and some without. A few produce actual pictures and
>sound.
> I wish I understood this stuff better. Perhaps I should buy a book :-}
>It's interesting though.
>
> Alan Combellack


In the cotext of the satellite, there may be 24 or 32 transponders up
there, but in the contenxt of what is being transmitted, you found 37
carriers.


>
>"kryppy" <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote in message
>news:9gtku09so3dgfekk7fd2oj2lu8ebir2hi8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:17:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
>> <acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello everyone,
>>> My latest information, from Lyngsat, is as follows
>>>
>>>Does anyone know if it is possible to do anything with the PanSat 2500A to
>>>fix this?
>>
>>
>> It will process low SR's. I am going to try with a PowerVU a little
>> later, but I did find a SNG at the GEM freq. They are saying it is
>> really there?
>

 

[Guest]

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My original question, or one of them anyway, was intended to find out if
the channel from the Gem Shopping Network which is alleged to be transmitted
on satellite G3C on C band in dvb format can actually be seen by anyone. So
far I have found no one who has and I cannot see it myself. I would very
much appreciate it if someone, anyone, with the appropriate equipment would
have a look and let me know the result. To save you looking up the details
this is what lyngsat says in its G3C page http/www.lyngsat.com/g3c.html "
3915 V tp 10 Gem Shopping Network DVB 1860 - 7/8 ?-1 - 4130 ?-1 4131 E
North America V " I note that this does not have an F on it as some do,
What does this mean? Also what is the meaning of the - 7/8 after the symbol
rate? I also note that the symbol rate given as 1860 is much lower than
that of most channels. Is this significant?
If you wish you can email me direct by replacing the first "a" with "r."
and deleting the obvious bit in the address given here.
Thanks in advance for looking.
Alan Combellack

"Gary J. Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:skusu0pb6te8eolgde7rntehl788d05l01@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:49:25 -0500, "MC" <MC@MC.com> wrote:
>
>>what if its unencrypted and a canadian provider has the rights to the
>>programming your watching?
>>what is that called?
>>
> Perfectly legal, since the channel is unencrypted.
>


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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:27:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
<acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:

> My original question, or one of them anyway, was intended to find out if
>the channel from the Gem Shopping Network which is alleged to be transmitted
>on satellite G3C on C band in dvb format can actually be seen by anyone. So
>far I have found no one who has and I cannot see it myself. I would very
>much appreciate it if someone, anyone, with the appropriate equipment would
>have a look and let me know the result. To save you looking up the details
>this is what lyngsat says in its G3C page http/www.lyngsat.com/g3c.html "
>3915 V tp 10 Gem Shopping Network DVB 1860 - 7/8 ?-1 - 4130 ?-1 4131 E
>North America V " I note that this does not have an F on it as some do,
>What does this mean? Also what is the meaning of the - 7/8 after the symbol
>rate? I also note that the symbol rate given as 1860 is much lower than
>that of most channels. Is this significant?
> If you wish you can email me direct by replacing the first "a" with "r."
>and deleting the obvious bit in the address given here.


I'm steering over now. Post back ASAP

 

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:00:37 -0500, kryppy <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:27:40 -0500, "Alan Combellack"
><acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> My original question, or one of them anyway, was intended to find out if
>>the channel from the Gem Shopping Network which is alleged to be transmitted
>>on satellite G3C on C band in dvb format can actually be seen by anyone. So
>>far I have found no one who has and I cannot see it myself. I would very
>>much appreciate it if someone, anyone, with the appropriate equipment would
>>have a look and let me know the result. To save you looking up the details
>>this is what lyngsat says in its G3C page http/www.lyngsat.com/g3c.html "
>>3915 V tp 10 Gem Shopping Network DVB 1860 - 7/8 ?-1 - 4130 ?-1 4131 E
>>North America V " I note that this does not have an F on it as some do,
>>What does this mean? Also what is the meaning of the - 7/8 after the symbol
>>rate? I also note that the symbol rate given as 1860 is much lower than
>>that of most channels. Is this significant?
>> If you wish you can email me direct by replacing the first "a" with "r."
>>and deleting the obvious bit in the address given here.
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>I'm steering over now. Post back ASAP



I'll be damned!! It is there. No PID info in the stream, that is what
is giving all the trouble.
I will put tsreader on it and tell you have to program.
Enter the freq and SR manually and you will see the carrier.