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Can anyone name the two or three revolutionary products Steve Jobs created? Oh that's right, he has not created a single thing. He's been at the right place, at the right time, by knowing the right people.
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[citation][nom]whitebush[/nom]The wealty CREATE YOUR JOBS. Keep taxing them higher and higher and they take their business (and your job or your neighbors job) some where else.Cut taxes on business' and give incentives to the wealthy, and they will WANT to be here, do more business which in turn makes more jobs....Man in general doesn't know how to fix anything.....[/citation]
If that was the case, why after so many tax cuts, we're in recession? we should be jumping in pools of money right now.
Such crazy comments to think that tax cuts for wealthy people create jobs.. tax cuts to companies can help with performance and increase jobs, but personally, if i have money, i'm gonna bloody keep it. not spend it elsewhere, Keep living in your bubble if that's what makes you happy.
If that was the case, why after so many tax cuts, we're in recession? we should be jumping in pools of money right now.
Such crazy comments to think that tax cuts for wealthy people create jobs.. tax cuts to companies can help with performance and increase jobs, but personally, if i have money, i'm gonna bloody keep it. not spend it elsewhere, Keep living in your bubble if that's what makes you happy.
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Sorry Marco - but he's right. You tax the wealthy - they LEAVE.
You tax businesses - they LEAVE.
You need to take some basic accounting classes (and history classes) to understand this. Now if you don't believe me - ask NYC what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - a bunch MOVED. Ask New Jersey what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - the MOVED. Why does Jon Kerry park his boat in another STATE?? To avoid paying TAXES.
People, no matter how much they make, earn and have - actually like to KEEP it. And in American here - once it's yours - NOBODY, including the Gubment - has any business or right to touch it, ever.
And please also tell us, how many poor people have hired you (or anybody) lately? How many poor people own and run multi-million dollar businesses?
You tax businesses - they LEAVE.
You need to take some basic accounting classes (and history classes) to understand this. Now if you don't believe me - ask NYC what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - a bunch MOVED. Ask New Jersey what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - the MOVED. Why does Jon Kerry park his boat in another STATE?? To avoid paying TAXES.
People, no matter how much they make, earn and have - actually like to KEEP it. And in American here - once it's yours - NOBODY, including the Gubment - has any business or right to touch it, ever.
And please also tell us, how many poor people have hired you (or anybody) lately? How many poor people own and run multi-million dollar businesses?
davewolfgang
Really? Way to take stuff out of context. Last time I checked, all these people are telling you to tax the individual, not the corporation itself. Since a corporation is like an individual human being/entity, it would naturally move if it kept getting taxed. But say if you taxed the richer individuals in that company, it would work.
Of course, this is all just a fantasy. In reality this will probably never happen. Society has big knack when it comes to talking about how far human beings have advanced, but we still can't seem to support our own people.
[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]And please also tell us, how many poor people have hired you (or anybody) lately? How many poor people own and run multi-million dollar businesses?[/citation]
That has to be the most ignorant statement I've seen this year. Really? What the hell do large corporations run on? Cheap labor. And we all know cheap labor is a fancier word to describe poor people. Don't be such a tool, if it wasn't for all those people working dead end jobs, America would be going to seed. Hilarious right? Why do you think companies outsource? Because they're just taking advantage of even more cheap labor, except this time, no one is complaining except the folks back home. But since you outsourced your company, I'm pretty sure you don't give a wooden-nickel about the folks back home, do you?
Really? Way to take stuff out of context. Last time I checked, all these people are telling you to tax the individual, not the corporation itself. Since a corporation is like an individual human being/entity, it would naturally move if it kept getting taxed. But say if you taxed the richer individuals in that company, it would work.
Of course, this is all just a fantasy. In reality this will probably never happen. Society has big knack when it comes to talking about how far human beings have advanced, but we still can't seem to support our own people.
[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]And please also tell us, how many poor people have hired you (or anybody) lately? How many poor people own and run multi-million dollar businesses?[/citation]
That has to be the most ignorant statement I've seen this year. Really? What the hell do large corporations run on? Cheap labor. And we all know cheap labor is a fancier word to describe poor people. Don't be such a tool, if it wasn't for all those people working dead end jobs, America would be going to seed. Hilarious right? Why do you think companies outsource? Because they're just taking advantage of even more cheap labor, except this time, no one is complaining except the folks back home. But since you outsourced your company, I'm pretty sure you don't give a wooden-nickel about the folks back home, do you?
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[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]Sorry Marco - but he's right. You tax the wealthy - they LEAVE.You tax businesses - they LEAVE.You need to take some basic accounting classes (and history classes) to understand this. Now if you don't believe me - ask NYC what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - a bunch MOVED. Ask New Jersey what happened when they slapped extra taxes on the rich - the MOVED. Why does Jon Kerry park his boat in another STATE?? To avoid paying TAXES. People, no matter how much they make, earn and have - actually like to KEEP it. And in American here - once it's yours - NOBODY, including the Gubment - has any business or right to touch it, ever. And please also tell us, how many poor people have hired you (or anybody) lately? How many poor people own and run multi-million dollar businesses?[/citation]
1) If a single state increases taxes, that's not going to help. If taxes are increased nationwide, you'd be able to achieve something. Pair that with very strict controls on taxes (and don't give me the 'we can't look at what happens in tax paradises' thing. A nation that happily sabotages Cuba, invades Iraq and shuts down Wikileaks can't be afraid of the Cayman Islands...) and nobody is going to leave.
Oh, and did you remember that call for higher taxes some reach and socially responsible people (Bill Gates amongst many others) recently signed?
2)Corporations move regardless of taxation. Even in the undesirable case taxes were 0%, low wage countries would still be a lot cheaper. Face it, we've lost enterprises making simple goods on a large scale. Instead, we should focus on the things we still can cling on to: high tech jobs (which are where the best scientists, engineers and universities are, in other words the west. That is, as long as we levy taxes to fund science and education...) and small, local business making high quality goods or delivering services, which simply can't move due to lack of scale and the nature of the goods/services they provide.
3) Are you a product of America's underfunded education? Because you don't seem to be able to write properly...
4) By definition, a government should take your money. A government exists to do things that the private sector or individuals can't/won't provide (healthcare for the poor, public works, transportation, defence, education for everyone, health and safety regulations,...) and it needs money to do so. If you don't want government to take your money, give it to private corporations. But don't expect treatment if you're ill and don't expect your children to go to school if you're not rich.
1) If a single state increases taxes, that's not going to help. If taxes are increased nationwide, you'd be able to achieve something. Pair that with very strict controls on taxes (and don't give me the 'we can't look at what happens in tax paradises' thing. A nation that happily sabotages Cuba, invades Iraq and shuts down Wikileaks can't be afraid of the Cayman Islands...) and nobody is going to leave.
Oh, and did you remember that call for higher taxes some reach and socially responsible people (Bill Gates amongst many others) recently signed?
2)Corporations move regardless of taxation. Even in the undesirable case taxes were 0%, low wage countries would still be a lot cheaper. Face it, we've lost enterprises making simple goods on a large scale. Instead, we should focus on the things we still can cling on to: high tech jobs (which are where the best scientists, engineers and universities are, in other words the west. That is, as long as we levy taxes to fund science and education...) and small, local business making high quality goods or delivering services, which simply can't move due to lack of scale and the nature of the goods/services they provide.
3) Are you a product of America's underfunded education? Because you don't seem to be able to write properly...
4) By definition, a government should take your money. A government exists to do things that the private sector or individuals can't/won't provide (healthcare for the poor, public works, transportation, defence, education for everyone, health and safety regulations,...) and it needs money to do so. If you don't want government to take your money, give it to private corporations. But don't expect treatment if you're ill and don't expect your children to go to school if you're not rich.
Im either missing the point of this article or i fail to see how Stevie is helping in any way. Almost all of that crap is made outside of the states so most of the money that gets spent on apple products leave the country. Outside of sales tax and the relatively small number of apple employee's income tax very little ends up as tax revenue. If anyone is benefiting from Stevie its the component factories and of cause Stevie's own wallet.
The trickle down method has been tried and tested since the Reagan administration and our national debt should be an obvious sign of it's complete failure. Republicans talk about small government but as soon as they get in office they go on a shopping spree, or they jump into wars with unlimited funds AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE.
The reality is that democrats have a proven track record of fiscal responsibility while republicans have a track record of ballooning the national debt to record amounts. Before Reagan this country hardly had any debt at all. Bush Jr. more than doubled the national debt. Democrats haven't even been in office long enough to reverse this downward spiral. Clinton started it by giving Bush a surplus, then that idiot wanted to get back at his fathers enemy and used the countries worst disaster ever to go to war against a country that had nothing to do with it.
It's amazing how corrupt republicans are and how blatant they are about it, yet as soon as some bimbo with a rifle goes on TV or a preacher tells them to vote for this person all that other stuff goes out the window.
This country seriously needs to administer IQ tests at the voting polls or we'll never get out of the financial mess we're in.
The reality is that democrats have a proven track record of fiscal responsibility while republicans have a track record of ballooning the national debt to record amounts. Before Reagan this country hardly had any debt at all. Bush Jr. more than doubled the national debt. Democrats haven't even been in office long enough to reverse this downward spiral. Clinton started it by giving Bush a surplus, then that idiot wanted to get back at his fathers enemy and used the countries worst disaster ever to go to war against a country that had nothing to do with it.
It's amazing how corrupt republicans are and how blatant they are about it, yet as soon as some bimbo with a rifle goes on TV or a preacher tells them to vote for this person all that other stuff goes out the window.
This country seriously needs to administer IQ tests at the voting polls or we'll never get out of the financial mess we're in.
[citation][nom]2real[/nom]You really think corporations are going to move their jobs to africa or asia with all those uneducated people? Think again they'll keep the jobs in America because we have the best and the brightest.[/citation]
Exactly, this idea that people will leave because of a modest increase in their taxes is absurd. Even if they did physically move they wouldn't keep the paycheck coming in if they stopped doing business with America completely, so they would pay taxes regardless.
America is too much of an economic heavyweight for any business to not do business with. That is why we need to raise taxes. The world does business with us but we allow just 1% of the population to reap the rewards while the rest of us fight over the few bones they throw our way. That isn't how a country run by and for the people works, currently it's just being run by a few puppet masters pulling our strings.
Exactly, this idea that people will leave because of a modest increase in their taxes is absurd. Even if they did physically move they wouldn't keep the paycheck coming in if they stopped doing business with America completely, so they would pay taxes regardless.
America is too much of an economic heavyweight for any business to not do business with. That is why we need to raise taxes. The world does business with us but we allow just 1% of the population to reap the rewards while the rest of us fight over the few bones they throw our way. That isn't how a country run by and for the people works, currently it's just being run by a few puppet masters pulling our strings.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time.
Your handout redistribution method leads people to be lazy and co-dependent on the state. Just ride around the ghetto and see this play out every day.
You liberals are a plague on society. You are single destroying entrepreneurship in this country. The people are becoming lazy and fat off the government and people who actually succeed and businesses are running from this land more and more every year.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time.
Your handout redistribution method leads people to be lazy and co-dependent on the state. Just ride around the ghetto and see this play out every day.
You liberals are a plague on society. You are single destroying entrepreneurship in this country. The people are becoming lazy and fat off the government and people who actually succeed and businesses are running from this land more and more every year.
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[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom][/citation]
You guys are morons. They leave every day. They've been leaving for decades. How do you small minded morons think we lost all that manufacturing. You poor idiots couldn't see the writing on the wall if it was tattooed to your eye lids.
You guys are morons. They leave every day. They've been leaving for decades. How do you small minded morons think we lost all that manufacturing. You poor idiots couldn't see the writing on the wall if it was tattooed to your eye lids.
[citation][nom]sandmanwn[/nom]You guys are morons. They leave every day. They've been leaving for decades. How do you small minded morons think we lost all that manufacturing. You poor idiots couldn't see the writing on the wall if it was tattooed to your eye lids.[/citation]
If your so intelligent then why is your English limited to so few words? You seem angered by your own inability to argue your points in a civil manor, which is pretty much on par for how republicans operate. If you want to convince people your arguments are valid you have to provide something more tangible than "your a moron". That might work in an argument with an elementary student but adults must be a bit more intellectual if they want their opinions respected.
If your so intelligent then why is your English limited to so few words? You seem angered by your own inability to argue your points in a civil manor, which is pretty much on par for how republicans operate. If you want to convince people your arguments are valid you have to provide something more tangible than "your a moron". That might work in an argument with an elementary student but adults must be a bit more intellectual if they want their opinions respected.
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Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
I voted for Obama (mainly because I didn't want to see McCain (another republican)) repeat what Bushler #2 had done)...
I generally vote democratic, although I currently hope Obama is a 1-term pres...
I voted for Obama (mainly because I didn't want to see McCain (another republican)) repeat what Bushler #2 had done)...
I generally vote democratic, although I currently hope Obama is a 1-term pres...
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[citation][nom]sandmanwn[/nom]@SilmarunyaGive a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time.Your handout redistribution method leads people to be lazy and co-dependent on the state. Just ride around the ghetto and see this play out every day.You liberals are a plague on society. You are single destroying entrepreneurship in this country. The people are becoming lazy and fat off the government and people who actually succeed and businesses are running from this land more and more every year.[/citation]
A 2010 twist on the fish axiom...
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit in his boat all day drinking beer.
A 2010 twist on the fish axiom...
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit in his boat all day drinking beer.
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