Panny 7UY Best pic going?

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I'm in the market for a new home theater since Hurricane Ivan.
From what I've been reading in some groups that the
absolute best pic going in the 50" range is the Panasonic
7UY series... I'm looking into the TH-50 PHD7UY..

And comments pro or con? And are they best?

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The absolute best pic probably goes to the Fijitsu's followed
by the NEC's.

They are more expensive though the NEC has come down recently.

The 50phd7uy is a sweet spot between price, excellent picture and name brand
hence has become the reference standard.

If your insurance settlement was generous go with the fujitsu.

Theo


"RicSeyler" <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> wrote in message
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> I'm in the market for a new home theater since Hurricane Ivan.
> From what I've been reading in some groups that the
> absolute best pic going in the 50" range is the Panasonic
> 7UY series... I'm looking into the TH-50 PHD7UY..
>
> And comments pro or con? And are they best?
>
> --
> Ric Seyler
>
>

 

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"Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
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Check out Costco
100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge

....and you really believe that?

Leonard

 

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Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
>
> "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> Check out Costco
> 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
>
> ...and you really believe that?
>
> Leonard

How simple is this?

"This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."

Do you see a problem?

 

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"Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
> >
> > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> > Check out Costco
> > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
> >
> > ...and you really believe that?
> >
> > Leonard
>
> How simple is this?
>
> "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
> if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
> even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
> because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
>
> Do you see a problem?

I have not explored the Costco guarantee, but it is obvious that any company
that offers a lifetime warranty on anything is most likely to be unable to
provide this in the long term. Many examples of companies with lifetime
warranties have come and gone over the years. Remember the (original)
Advent Louspeaker? Now you may get a good value in the short term by
exchanging a defective product or two and save a lot of money, but I would
not consider it a lifetime warranty. Nor would I buy stock in Costco. You
can't grow revenues beyond this kind of liability forever.

Leonard

 

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"Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
> >
> > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> > Check out Costco
> > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
> >
> > ...and you really believe that?
> >
> > Leonard
>
> How simple is this?
>
> "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
> if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
> even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
> because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
>
> Do you see a problem?

I see what you mean. I would stick to a place like Sears that has good
deals and really honors their warranties. You know what they say about
"if it's too good to be true..."

 

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In article <G3Sjd.44616$T_.28811@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
RicSeyler <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new home theater since Hurricane Ivan.
> From what I've been reading in some groups that the
> absolute best pic going in the 50" range is the Panasonic
> 7UY series... I'm looking into the TH-50 PHD7UY..
>
> And comments pro or con? And are they best?

The 6uy's were very unreliable, but other than that had a great picture.
I had to get mine serviced 3 times before they actually fixed it
correctly and the tech guy (who worked for Panny) who finally fixed it
said it was a design flaw (AND, almost all of the units in the back of
the shop were 6uy's, and I had to drive it almost 100 miles away, since
the local guys who would come out didn't seem to know what they were
doing). Anyway, the first time it broke was 31 days after I got it. Now
it is about 14 months old and I would not be surprised if it screws me
over soon and it is out of warranty. So I would not recommend a Panny
without an in home service contract. But since that will cost $500, you
might as well buy a Sony.

 

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"SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <G3Sjd.44616$T_.28811@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> RicSeyler <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm in the market for a new home theater since Hurricane Ivan.
> > From what I've been reading in some groups that the
> > absolute best pic going in the 50" range is the Panasonic
> > 7UY series... I'm looking into the TH-50 PHD7UY..
> >
> > And comments pro or con? And are they best?
>
> The 6uy's were very unreliable, but other than that had a great picture.
> I had to get mine serviced 3 times before they actually fixed it
> correctly and the tech guy (who worked for Panny) who finally fixed it
> said it was a design flaw (AND, almost all of the units in the back of
> the shop were 6uy's, and I had to drive it almost 100 miles away, since
> the local guys who would come out didn't seem to know what they were
> doing). Anyway, the first time it broke was 31 days after I got it. Now
> it is about 14 months old and I would not be surprised if it screws me
> over soon and it is out of warranty. So I would not recommend a Panny
> without an in home service contract. But since that will cost $500, you
> might as well buy a Sony.

So what you mean is the YOUR Panasonic PDP broke and getting it serviced was
inconvenient. Experience with many brands by many techs and many dealers
indicates that most PDPs have been pretty reliable, and the Panasonic sets
have been among the best, other than the problem with the auto format mode,
for which there is apparently no fix. We have sold quite a few of both the
Panasonics and the Sonys and have had exactly one failure in each line. We
also have sold many of the Yamaha units that are largely the same as the
Panasonic models and have had no problems with them. I'd take the Pan with
a service contract over a Sony without anytime, in PDP products. My
preference would be not to buy a PDP at all.

What was the problem that you had to have serviced repeatedly? What was
done the first two times and what was different about the third time? What
was the design flaw that you mentioned and how did the tech solve it? If
you want to be helpful give some specific information.

I would recommend considering an extended warranty on any PDP purchase
because average OOW repairs will be much more expensive than conventional
televisions. The incidence of repair does seem rather lower, however.

Leonard

 

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The guarantee is for real. I have plenty of friends and neighbors who have
been returning purchases for several years. One friend returned a computer
that stopped working after 2 years for a full refund. This was at the
"insistence" of a sales rep, when he mentioned he was unhappy that his prior
purchase broke down.

Since other stores have 14- 30 days return policies, Costco doesn't need to
be around too long for me to have a winning situation.

Don't worry about Costco's longevity though. The stock you wouldn't
purchase has gone up over 40% this year and almost doubled in the last 2
years.

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"Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
>> >
>> > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
>> > Check out Costco
>> > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
>> >
>> > ...and you really believe that?
>> >
>> > Leonard
>>
>> How simple is this?
>>
>> "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
>> if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
>> even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's
>> warranty,
>> because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
>>
>> Do you see a problem?
>
> I have not explored the Costco guarantee, but it is obvious that any
> company
> that offers a lifetime warranty on anything is most likely to be unable to
> provide this in the long term. Many examples of companies with lifetime
> warranties have come and gone over the years. Remember the (original)
> Advent Louspeaker? Now you may get a good value in the short term by
> exchanging a defective product or two and save a lot of money, but I would
> not consider it a lifetime warranty. Nor would I buy stock in Costco.
> You
> can't grow revenues beyond this kind of liability forever.
>
> Leonard
>
>

 

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"Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
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> The guarantee is for real. I have plenty of friends and neighbors who
have
> been returning purchases for several years. One friend returned a
computer
> that stopped working after 2 years for a full refund. This was at the
> "insistence" of a sales rep, when he mentioned he was unhappy that his
prior
> purchase broke down.
>
> Since other stores have 14- 30 days return policies, Costco doesn't need
to
> be around too long for me to have a winning situation.
>
> Don't worry about Costco's longevity though. The stock you wouldn't
> purchase has gone up over 40% this year and almost doubled in the last 2
> years.

Like I said, a purchase at Costco could be a good deal under this program.
I am not saying that people should not take advantage of it while it lasts.
But if you rally think it is a lifetime warranty you are not being
realistic. Their stock is likely overpriced, BTW. It might have been a
good buy a couple of years ago, but do the numbers now. Do you really
believe that because a company sees its stock price rise over a couple of
years that its longevity is assured? If you are a short term trader you can
make money on companies like this, but in the long run they will either have
to change the policy or the liability will eat them up.

BTW stock price on 11/08/2002 was $32.16, 11/08/2004 it was $49.18, not
exactly double. More like 1.5 times. In fact, over the past two years it
has underperformed the S&P 500 mostly, other than the past 4 months where it
has surged, likely due to some pretty good earnings. Unfortunately, stock
valuations do not account for a hideous liability such as offering a
lifetime warranty. I'm not betting my retirement on Costco.

Leonard

 

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Closing price on 12/24/02 was 27.24
It hit 50.46 a few days ago
Sounds like an "almost doubled" to me, but 85% ain't bad

2 year return on investment is not exactly the definition of a short term
trade


Underperformed the S&P????
November of 02 saw a low of 872
Yesterday's close of 1164 would make for a 34% return for S&P 500
Even going back 25 months would make for a 51% return

You are a Costco competitor? Right??


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Barry


"Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> news:beokd.2708862$yk.426917@news.easynews.com...
>> The guarantee is for real. I have plenty of friends and neighbors who
> have
>> been returning purchases for several years. One friend returned a
> computer
>> that stopped working after 2 years for a full refund. This was at the
>> "insistence" of a sales rep, when he mentioned he was unhappy that his
> prior
>> purchase broke down.
>>
>> Since other stores have 14- 30 days return policies, Costco doesn't need
> to
>> be around too long for me to have a winning situation.
>>
>> Don't worry about Costco's longevity though. The stock you wouldn't
>> purchase has gone up over 40% this year and almost doubled in the last 2
>> years.
>
> Like I said, a purchase at Costco could be a good deal under this program.
> I am not saying that people should not take advantage of it while it
> lasts.
> But if you rally think it is a lifetime warranty you are not being
> realistic. Their stock is likely overpriced, BTW. It might have been a
> good buy a couple of years ago, but do the numbers now. Do you really
> believe that because a company sees its stock price rise over a couple of
> years that its longevity is assured? If you are a short term trader you
> can
> make money on companies like this, but in the long run they will either
> have
> to change the policy or the liability will eat them up.
>
> BTW stock price on 11/08/2002 was $32.16, 11/08/2004 it was $49.18, not
> exactly double. More like 1.5 times. In fact, over the past two years
> it
> has underperformed the S&P 500 mostly, other than the past 4 months where
> it
> has surged, likely due to some pretty good earnings. Unfortunately, stock
> valuations do not account for a hideous liability such as offering a
> lifetime warranty. I'm not betting my retirement on Costco.
>
> Leonard
>
>

 

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"Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
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> Closing price on 12/24/02 was 27.24
> It hit 50.46 a few days ago
> Sounds like an "almost doubled" to me, but 85% ain't bad
>
> 2 year return on investment is not exactly the definition of a short term
> trade
>
>
> Underperformed the S&P????
> November of 02 saw a low of 872
> Yesterday's close of 1164 would make for a 34% return for S&P 500
> Even going back 25 months would make for a 51% return
>
> You are a Costco competitor? Right??

No. In fact I have suggested that it is likely a good place to buy, for
now. If you look at the charts of the price of the stock over the past two
years you will see that for most of that period it clearly underperformed
the S&P until about 4-5 months ago. During that year and a half most people
would have considered the return to be rather poor. You make the mistake of
looking at performance based on start-end comparisons. I can make lots of
things look more attractive with limited info.

Regardless, you miss the point. Virtually no lifetime warranty is
sustainable in the long run, and Costco and its investors will find that out
eventually. When growth levels off, the earnings will suffer. At a PE
ratio of about 26 now, the stock is overpriced for a long term investment,
knowing that they have a large off-the-books liability hanging out there.

Leonard

 

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Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message news:E8nkd.28$_q1.1@lakeread08...
>
> "Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
> > >
> > > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> > > Check out Costco
> > > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
> > >
> > > ...and you really believe that?
> > >
> > > Leonard
> >
> > How simple is this?
> >
> > "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
> > if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
> > even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
> > because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
> >
> > Do you see a problem?
>
> I have not explored the Costco guarantee, but it is obvious that any company
> that offers a lifetime warranty on anything is most likely to be unable to
> provide this in the long term. Many examples of companies with lifetime
> warranties have come and gone over the years. Remember the (original)
> Advent Louspeaker? Now you may get a good value in the short term by
> exchanging a defective product or two and save a lot of money, but I would
> not consider it a lifetime warranty. Nor would I buy stock in Costco. You
> can't grow revenues beyond this kind of liability forever.

I have investigated Costco and their return policy, and have returned a couple
of items when I felt that I did not get value for money, although I do not and will not
abuse the policy. Costco plays fair by me, and that's good enough for me.

The point that you are missing is that Costco is an 800 pound gorilla.

Consequently, Costco does not assume the liability.
The product manufacturers do, and sign a contract to that effect,
to ensure that Costco does not get stuck if a manufacturer happens to market
a product with a design flaw or manufacturing defect.

It is the acknowledged price of doing high-volume business with the Costcos
and Wal*Marts of the world.

That's not to say that such companies are the only beneficiaries of my business.
If I need an "education" regarding a new product or service, or am likely
to require after-sale service or "hand-holding", I am more than happy
to patronize a smaller, local business.

So, I see a place in this world for both types of business.
I realize that you have your own agenda, and I do support that,
but Costco's guarantee of satisfaction is a proven fact.

 

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Lola <hoppie_2k3@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9508a051.0411100703.32151f6c@posting.google.com...
> "Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
> > >
> > > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> > > Check out Costco
> > > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
> > >
> > > ...and you really believe that?
> > >
> > > Leonard
> >
> > How simple is this?
> >
> > "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
> > if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
> > even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
> > because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
> >
> > Do you see a problem?
>
> I see what you mean.

I didn't say or mean "Do you see THE problem".

My question was meant in good faith. "Do you see A problem".

> I would stick to a place like Sears that has good
> deals and really honors their warranties.

I shop at Sears, and have recommended them a number of times
in various posts, so I do agree with you about Sears.
A couple of times, I have attempted to buy floor model items at Sears,
only to have them haul out a brand new sealed box at the same price.

> You know what they say about
> "if it's too good to be true..."

I do indeed, and I also know that there is a difference between
"if it IS too good to be true..."
and
"if it SOUNDS too good to be true...".

 

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It was the guaranty that convinced me to buy a 56" DLP w/ what looked to me
to be an extremely clear image
It had all the right stats and sold for a half to a 3rd of comparable name
brand displays. I also checked out the "decent" reviews.

It was a "no name" set, but I had nothing to lose to try it. I didn't need
to rely on a questionable company's service and/or warrantee.

So far it's solid and sharp.

--
Barry


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>
> Lola <hoppie_2k3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9508a051.0411100703.32151f6c@posting.google.com...
>> "Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:<ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> > Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message
>> > news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
>> > >
>> > > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
>> > > Check out Costco
>> > > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
>> > >
>> > > ...and you really believe that?
>> > >
>> > > Leonard
>> >
>> > How simple is this?
>> >
>> > "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase
>> > price
>> > if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
>> > even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's
>> > warranty,
>> > because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
>> >
>> > Do you see a problem?
>>
>> I see what you mean.
>
> I didn't say or mean "Do you see THE problem".
>
> My question was meant in good faith. "Do you see A problem".
>
>> I would stick to a place like Sears that has good
>> deals and really honors their warranties.
>
> I shop at Sears, and have recommended them a number of times
> in various posts, so I do agree with you about Sears.
> A couple of times, I have attempted to buy floor model items at Sears,
> only to have them haul out a brand new sealed box at the same price.
>
>> You know what they say about
>> "if it's too good to be true..."
>
> I do indeed, and I also know that there is a difference between
> "if it IS too good to be true..."
> and
> "if it SOUNDS too good to be true...".
>
>

 

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Uh... Leonard........ not only did I use your limits, but I even expanded
them to be more fair to you

And as to your "Musings" on how long they'll last, it's one of the fastest
growing companies, at the top of their performance and you assume the only
course now is dissolution???

I don't need to have Costco survive more than 6-12 months. After that time
any problems w/ the TV will not be because they sold me a lousy product.

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I can make lots of
> things look more attractive with limited info.
>

 

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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:43:20 -0500, "Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com>
wrote:

>... Nor would I buy stock in Costco. You
>can't grow revenues beyond this kind of liability forever.
>
>Leonard
>

Smart investors would have noticed the Price family got into the REIT
business after selling off Price Club/Costco.

 

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In article <donkd.30$_q1.27@lakeread08>,
"Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com> wrote:

> "SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:nospam-249A85.00510210112004@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <G3Sjd.44616$T_.28811@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > RicSeyler <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm in the market for a new home theater since Hurricane Ivan.
> > > From what I've been reading in some groups that the
> > > absolute best pic going in the 50" range is the Panasonic
> > > 7UY series... I'm looking into the TH-50 PHD7UY..
> > >
> > > And comments pro or con? And are they best?
> >
> > The 6uy's were very unreliable, but other than that had a great picture.
> > I had to get mine serviced 3 times before they actually fixed it
> > correctly and the tech guy (who worked for Panny) who finally fixed it
> > said it was a design flaw (AND, almost all of the units in the back of
> > the shop were 6uy's, and I had to drive it almost 100 miles away, since
> > the local guys who would come out didn't seem to know what they were
> > doing). Anyway, the first time it broke was 31 days after I got it. Now
> > it is about 14 months old and I would not be surprised if it screws me
> > over soon and it is out of warranty. So I would not recommend a Panny
> > without an in home service contract. But since that will cost $500, you
> > might as well buy a Sony.
>
> So what you mean is the YOUR Panasonic PDP broke and getting it serviced was
> inconvenient. Experience with many brands by many techs and many dealers
> indicates that most PDPs have been pretty reliable, and the Panasonic sets
> have been among the best, other than the problem with the auto format mode,
> for which there is apparently no fix. We have sold quite a few of both the
> Panasonics and the Sonys and have had exactly one failure in each line. We
> also have sold many of the Yamaha units that are largely the same as the
> Panasonic models and have had no problems with them. I'd take the Pan with
> a service contract over a Sony without anytime, in PDP products. My
> preference would be not to buy a PDP at all.
>
> What was the problem that you had to have serviced repeatedly? What was
> done the first two times and what was different about the third time? What
> was the design flaw that you mentioned and how did the tech solve it? If
> you want to be helpful give some specific information.
>
> I would recommend considering an extended warranty on any PDP purchase
> because average OOW repairs will be much more expensive than conventional
> televisions. The incidence of repair does seem rather lower, however.
>

And this last statement seems absurd to me, everything I have heard is
that Plasmas are pretty unreliable. I have owned a lot of TVs (mostly
Sonys) and none of them have ever failed. I even have a Sony from 1984
that still has a nice picture.

> Leonard

 

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"SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> > I would recommend considering an extended warranty on any PDP purchase
> > because average OOW repairs will be much more expensive than
conventional
> > televisions. The incidence of repair does seem rather lower, however.
> >
>
> And this last statement seems absurd to me, everything I have heard is
> that Plasmas are pretty unreliable. I have owned a lot of TVs (mostly
> Sonys) and none of them have ever failed. I even have a Sony from 1984
> that still has a nice picture.

Seems absurd because your limited experience differs, perhaps? Many
servicers and dealers who service the sets would express exactly the
experience we have had. PDPs have been surprisingly reliable, but when they
do break they are very expensive to repair. Your Panasonic experience is
atypical. Also, had you purchased the set from a quality dealer who
services what he sells, your service experience would have been much easier.
BTW, we have sold dozens of the Panasonic PDPs and had exactly one failure,
which did happen to be the power supply, but that would be the part that is
most likely to fail in any product. There has been no need for a recall
because there have not been widespread failures.

There have been lots of posters who feel the same way about Sony because
they had a problem with THEIR purchase and had lousy service from the
servicer that they chose. There are people with similar stories about all
brands. Still, Panasonic and Sony are typically the among best built and
are supported relatively well compared to other brands, though this varies
among their individual products. Any particular market area may have good
servicers or lousy ones. You need to check that out before you buy. For
instance, there is no one who is an ASC for JVC within 90 miles of our area.
In other markets there are some really good servicers for JVC.

Leonard

Leonard

 

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In article <beokd.2708862$yk.426917@news.easynews.com>,
"Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote:

> The guarantee is for real. I have plenty of friends and neighbors who have
> been returning purchases for several years. One friend returned a computer
> that stopped working after 2 years for a full refund. This was at the
> "insistence" of a sales rep, when he mentioned he was unhappy that his prior
> purchase broke down.
>
> Since other stores have 14- 30 days return policies, Costco doesn't need to
> be around too long for me to have a winning situation.
>
> Don't worry about Costco's longevity though. The stock you wouldn't
> purchase has gone up over 40% this year and almost doubled in the last 2
> years.
>
> --
> Barry

Costco is doing fine. The warranty is good, but they don't really have
great prices on Plasmas (esp when you factor in tax) and don't have many
nice plasmas to offer.

Why not go to Sears and price match? They have just as good a return
policy.


>
>
> "Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:E8nkd.28$_q1.1@lakeread08...
> >
> > "Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
> > news:ilhkd.2562$7i4.544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> Leonard Caillouet <no@no.com> wrote in message
> > news:t5ekd.5$_q1.3@lakeread08...
> >> >
> >> > "Brynk" <Brnk@NoDirecpc.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:Eg9kd.4766665$6p.780517@news.easynews.com...
> >> > Check out Costco
> >> > 100% Lifetime warranty-no add'l charge
> >> >
> >> > ...and you really believe that?
> >> >
> >> > Leonard
> >>
> >> How simple is this?
> >>
> >> "This item is covered by Costco's guarantee to refund your purchase price
> >> if you are not completely satisfied. Costco's guarantee applies,
> >> even though this item may not be covered by the manufacturer's
> >> warranty,
> >> because Costco is not an "authorized" dealer of the merchandise."
> >>
> >> Do you see a problem?
> >
> > I have not explored the Costco guarantee, but it is obvious that any
> > company
> > that offers a lifetime warranty on anything is most likely to be unable to
> > provide this in the long term. Many examples of companies with lifetime
> > warranties have come and gone over the years. Remember the (original)
> > Advent Louspeaker? Now you may get a good value in the short term by
> > exchanging a defective product or two and save a lot of money, but I would
> > not consider it a lifetime warranty. Nor would I buy stock in Costco.
> > You
> > can't grow revenues beyond this kind of liability forever.
> >
> > Leonard
> >
> >