Philips' LED Lightbulb Uses 17-watts as 75-watt Replacement

[Onus]

I started using fluorescents (originally the smallest circlines) years before people started talking about being "green" or even saving money, because I was tired of changing certain incandescents every few weeks. Having realized the cost savings, I gradually switched all my lamps to CFLs (except touch lamps and appliance bulbs, but including my ceiling fan). In seven years, maybe I've replace half a dozen of them, most in the last few months. Like a previous poster said, I put them in a baggie and recycle them at Home Depot.
Some are better than others, for example in speed to full brightness or color tone. In general, I am satisfied with them, and will continue using them until LED lamps (which also interest me) come down a little in price, and go up more than a little in brightness.

 

[Guest]

My house is being warmed by the 98% efficient incandescent lightbulbs at night and during the winter. If I replace them with LED, it will certainly incur higher heating bills.

 

[happyballz]

I believe I read that LED ligthing might be stressful to the eyes/brain from a study a while back. Some kind of problems with the way human eyes interpret the light and it being too "sharp/monotoned". Waiting on more test before I use this.

 

[wiyosaya]

[citation][nom]xenophorge[/nom]I'm a Phillips distributor as well as a lighting specialist. And these things are the way to go.[/citation]
Perhaps your advice is good, perhaps not. IMHO, it sounds like you would profit from this if these were to take off. To me, that makes you too close to the revenue stream to be unbiased.'

Personally, I think these will be overtaken in a few years by OLED.

 

[xenophorge]

[citation][nom]sebaaa[/nom]@xenophorge for a lighting specialist, you talk like a potato seller from the mid-west (wherever that is).Still incandescent light bulbs for me. 1. The light is very good2. It's the only bulb that emits warmth and infrared, and it's really good for the skin.3. Price[/citation]

Funny, because I am in the mid west. If you don't know where that is, then I'm sorry for you.

 

[wiyosaya]

[citation][nom]masterbinky[/nom]I’m sorry if you’ve been misinformed about the risks. I've had the damn CFL bulb explode, nice little arc blast, melted, kinda scary really. [/citation]
I am sorry to hear that happened to you, however, it is not the norm. I've been running CFLs for a long time - over 10 years - and have never had one explode. One exploding CFL does not make a general trait.

 

[opmopadop]

Running this bulb has a lesser impact on carbon emmisions...
So what about the amount of energy required to manufacture the bulb?
Can Toms follow this up please. I dont want to invest in technology that seems to save the planet but really doesnt (Solar Panels, Hybrid Cars, etc)

 

[computertech82]

I have leds as night lights that cost...GASP!....a dollar or 2. I can even get LED flashlights that admit more then 85watts of light for less then $50.

It's called RIP the public off, NOT cost + some profit added. Sad how the capitalist system works these days. I bet many would be surprise how much it REALLY cost to make these bulbs (far less then $10 bucks each). My night lights or led flash lights would be perfect examples of it (1 watt to over 75 watts worth of light).

 

[Guest]

I have had 26 CFLs in this house for 15 years and several in the previous house for 2-3 years. In all that time I've never had a bulb explode. In all that time I've had maybe a dozen or so failures but some of the replacements are just because they get dimmer over time.

Exploding CFL bulbs is not normal but I do remember an incandescent exploding once. Thankfully I'll not extrapolate a single explosion into "all incandescents explode".

 

[xenophorge]

[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Perhaps your advice is good, perhaps not. IMHO, it sounds like you would profit from this if these were to take off. To me, that makes you too close to the revenue stream to be unbiased.'Personally, I think these will be overtaken in a few years by OLED.[/citation]

Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. Although I'm only recently a Phillips distributer, I've been a lighting guy for over a decade. I just wanted to get my two cents in to the rest of the Toms reading public. LED's are the way to go, no doubt about it. OLED looked good for a while, but is much further behind in R&D. By the time OLED hits the retail market, regular LED's will be the norm.

 

[shin0bi272]

yaaay for more government control ... all the sheep shall now queue up for slaughter er um free lightbulbs.

 

[alextheblue]

[citation][nom]cookoy[/nom]i'll wait a little longer for the Chinese to figure out something cheaper that doesn't last nearly as long as its rated life due to poor quality parts and even worse quality controls.[/citation]There I fixed that for you.

 

[Thunderfox]

CFL's are a good compromise for normal people for the time being. When LED bulbs get to be much cheaper, and when more is known about their real reliability instead of the speculation about them lasting 20+ years if only used for 3 hours a day (which no one does), then they may eventually be viable. For right now, it's still an emerging market, it's just that with bigger companies involved it might begin to mature faster than having small time operators gluing together bulbs from off the shelf LED's.

 

[deecrutch]

When will these people understand that while most of us would LOVE to have bulbs that are more energy efficient and last longer and all of that, the average joe isn't going to spend $40 on A SINGLE BULB. That just ain't happening, people. If you want this thing to have a REAL impact, not only does it have to do all of the things you say, but it also has to be at a price point that most of us won't balk at.

Figure out a way to bring that price down to somewhere near what normal bulbs cost. Then AND ONLY THEN, will stuff like this gain any kind of wide acceptance.

 

[hajila]

It puts out 130 lumens for those interested. This is compared to the 1300 lumens a 100 watt incandescent bulb puts out and the 400 lumens a 40 watt incandescent puts out. 20 times the price for 1/10 the light. I understand why the government is pushing this now. Makes sense...

 

[Guest]

@hajila you sound like a lighting specialist, not like that guy that is bragging @ here.

exactly my point. All this energy efficiency stuff is just not worth it. It says on the box 7w=45w and you get a big lie. Personally I've tried CFLs but the most annoying thing is that you have to wait at least 10 minutes until it gets warmed up and the lighting is good. try to read with a 7w CFL and in 3 months you will need glasses.

until they develop something similar to incandescent (warm light) I'm not switching to CFL or LED bulbs.

@xenophorge learn from the specialist like hajila. I'm sorry for you that in 10 years of working in the industry you are not able to say what are lumens and which bulb has more or less, because these are the facts, not what you read on the box. p.s. I have no clue where the mid-west is because I'm not from that continent, and with a bit of luck I'll never get there.

 

[xenophorge]

@xenophorge learn from the specialist like hajila. I'm sorry for you that in 10 years of working in the industry you are not able to say what are lumens and which bulb has more or less, because these are the facts, not what you read on the box. p.s. I have no clue where the mid-west is because I'm not from that continent, and with a bit of luck I'll never get there.[/citation]

Trolls will be trolls I guess. I like the way you keep making fresh accounts to try to ridicule people. Very classy. And if you want to try and compare my knowledge to the nonsence numbers that this other guy is spouting, be my guest, you're only proving your own ignorance. Don't let facts get in the way of your information, just troll on, troll on.

 

[hajila]

Umm, I got those nonsense numbers from the spec sheet at philips... You know the people that make this LED bulb. Look it up. It's very easy to check lumens for a specific bulb.

 

[xenophorge]

[citation][nom]hajila[/nom]Umm, I got those nonsense numbers from the spec sheet at philips... You know the people that make this LED bulb. Look it up. It's very easy to check lumens for a specific bulb.[/citation]

Yes, I know how easy it is. That's why I wondered how you got it so wrong (hence nonsense). Considering the 12W model is rated for 800+ lumens, I find it hard to see where you get 130 out of this one. No, I never found any specs sheets for this 17w model yet, I don't have to, I already know the line. 130 lumens is about what you get out of a cheapo depot 4W LED MR16. Even the ones I sell here put out just under 400, and that's a 7w (MR16 again).

Here's a link to the spec sheet of the family http://download.p4c.philips.com/l4bt/3/335424/enduraled_a19_335424_ffs_aen.pdf it doesn't have the 17w model in there yet but you can plainly see the 12w.

Please link to where you see this 17w giving out a mere 130 lumens/luminous flux.

 

[xenophorge]

Hmm, the link didn't take.

http://download.p4c.philips.com/l4bt/3/335424/enduraled_a19_335424_ffs_aen.pdf