[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]Dear r3t4rd,You are incorrect on so many levels.Let me give you some quotes you can search for."The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada""In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678,; in the U.S., US$6,714"[/citation]
Thats because its everyone is paying for everyones' HealthCare in Canada. Its all Government paid, which you did not mention, since everyone has healthcare regardless of stature, the wait time for most people in Canada is weeks, months, to yrs. Unlike the US its all done by the private sector. Our companies we work for pay for our Healthcare therefore we choose where and when to go get our medical treatment.
Great argument there. Fail.
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]"Studies suggest that 40% of US citizens do not have adequate health insurance, if any and that as many as 5% of Canadian citizens have not been able to find a regular doctor"[/citation]
Source?
5%? I doubt thats correct because most of Canadians flock to the US because they have to wait such a long time just for some type of medical surgery and some of Canadians have US Doctors. I betcha these stats are even included.
Again, fail.
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]"In the World Health Organization's ratings of health care system performance among 191 member nations published in 2000, Canada ranked 30th and the U.S. 37th, while the overall health of Canadians was ranked 35th and Americans 72nd"Do you need more?[/citation]
If you read what others have posted perhaps I wouldn't have to re-iterate what Jellico stated.
[citation][nom]jellico[/nom]You do not know what you're talking about. Consider this: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries (and that's the dirty little secret of single-payer care: rationing). Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the UK. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed (just look at the controvery in Canada over private clinics that have sprung up in defiance of the law, and how people are flocking to them). Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians (the dissatisfaction comes from the insurance companies... that comes from lack of competition... that is the fault of government regulation). Americans have much better access to important new technologies (like medical imaging) that patients in Canada or the UK. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of ALL health care innovations.Had enough yet? Or are you going to bring up the often quoted infant mortality rate? Just in case you were thinking about it, I will point out that the US has a significant problem with illegal immigration. They come into the country, they don't get prenatal care, and then go to the emergency room when it's time to have their babies. Furthermore, our infant mortality stats are compiled by CMS and they include ALL infant deaths from preterm through 1 year of age. Most of the other countries who report infant mortality statistics do NOT include pre-term infant mortality where the baby was below a certain weight. They also have a much shorter period of include post-term (like several weeks or months). So they also fail to capture many post-term deaths that CMS includes in our statistics.[/citation]
Fail again!!...
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]""Again you fail to prove your point. Enough. I could go on and on about this. JUST GOOGLE WHAT IS STATED ABOVE. Peace."[/citation]
Apparently you didn't google what I stated. And then to use my quote against me? *shakes heead*
Just answer one question. "Why do Canadians have three to four times the average wait time for medical treatment than the US?" If you actually did your homework in that question...you will see the light.
Thats because its everyone is paying for everyones' HealthCare in Canada. Its all Government paid, which you did not mention, since everyone has healthcare regardless of stature, the wait time for most people in Canada is weeks, months, to yrs. Unlike the US its all done by the private sector. Our companies we work for pay for our Healthcare therefore we choose where and when to go get our medical treatment.
Great argument there. Fail.
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]"Studies suggest that 40% of US citizens do not have adequate health insurance, if any and that as many as 5% of Canadian citizens have not been able to find a regular doctor"[/citation]
Source?
5%? I doubt thats correct because most of Canadians flock to the US because they have to wait such a long time just for some type of medical surgery and some of Canadians have US Doctors. I betcha these stats are even included.
Again, fail.
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]"In the World Health Organization's ratings of health care system performance among 191 member nations published in 2000, Canada ranked 30th and the U.S. 37th, while the overall health of Canadians was ranked 35th and Americans 72nd"Do you need more?[/citation]
If you read what others have posted perhaps I wouldn't have to re-iterate what Jellico stated.
[citation][nom]jellico[/nom]You do not know what you're talking about. Consider this: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries (and that's the dirty little secret of single-payer care: rationing). Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the UK. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed (just look at the controvery in Canada over private clinics that have sprung up in defiance of the law, and how people are flocking to them). Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians (the dissatisfaction comes from the insurance companies... that comes from lack of competition... that is the fault of government regulation). Americans have much better access to important new technologies (like medical imaging) that patients in Canada or the UK. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of ALL health care innovations.Had enough yet? Or are you going to bring up the often quoted infant mortality rate? Just in case you were thinking about it, I will point out that the US has a significant problem with illegal immigration. They come into the country, they don't get prenatal care, and then go to the emergency room when it's time to have their babies. Furthermore, our infant mortality stats are compiled by CMS and they include ALL infant deaths from preterm through 1 year of age. Most of the other countries who report infant mortality statistics do NOT include pre-term infant mortality where the baby was below a certain weight. They also have a much shorter period of include post-term (like several weeks or months). So they also fail to capture many post-term deaths that CMS includes in our statistics.[/citation]
Fail again!!...
[citation][nom]Fresc[/nom]""Again you fail to prove your point. Enough. I could go on and on about this. JUST GOOGLE WHAT IS STATED ABOVE. Peace."[/citation]
Apparently you didn't google what I stated. And then to use my quote against me? *shakes heead*
Just answer one question. "Why do Canadians have three to four times the average wait time for medical treatment than the US?" If you actually did your homework in that question...you will see the light.
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