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[citation][nom]realorunreal[/nom]A lot people here are stating that "god doesn't exist" or "its just a fairy tale for the adults" then how come this universe exist. I mean I thought in order for something to exist there has to be someone to make it.[/citation]
Nope. You had that wrong. Sorry.
Nope. You had that wrong. Sorry.
The difference between Santa and God/religion? People can admit and come to terms with the fact that Santa isn't real (I know it's hard to sometimes 
). Also, another funny thing about both of them? Children can come to terms with the fact Santa isn't real yet adults can't do the same for religion. Who needs to grow up more?
). Also, another funny thing about both of them? Children can come to terms with the fact Santa isn't real yet adults can't do the same for religion. Who needs to grow up more?
If it takes hundreds of thousands of dollars, hundreds of highly-educated, trained, experienced, electrical engineers and comp sci staff, millions of dollars of high-tech equipment, etc. to produce a single CPU, a single GPU, etc.
Then do we think that, creation, in all of it's utter complexity and coordination, came out of nowhere? How stupid. Even a single human cell is magnitudes greater in complexity than any microprocessor, and no technology can equal it.
"According to calculations by Leonard Adleman of Los Angeles South California University, just 1 gram (0.0022 pounds) of DNA can contain the equivalent amount of data to 1 trillion CDs.38 This shows that data are concealed in a million, million times more efficiently in DNA than in a CD."
Another scientific report tells us that DNA, in it's raw form, contains between "between 2 and 30 TERAbytes" of information.
That's right kids, DNA contains magnitudes more "DATA" than the Linux Kernel, Windows Kernel, etc. COMBINED
Bill Gates once said, "Human DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software we've ever created."
And think, people today are so blind, they BELIEVE that the UNIVERSE, came about by blind "chance"?
Tell me now, what takes more faith?
Then do we think that, creation, in all of it's utter complexity and coordination, came out of nowhere? How stupid. Even a single human cell is magnitudes greater in complexity than any microprocessor, and no technology can equal it.
"According to calculations by Leonard Adleman of Los Angeles South California University, just 1 gram (0.0022 pounds) of DNA can contain the equivalent amount of data to 1 trillion CDs.38 This shows that data are concealed in a million, million times more efficiently in DNA than in a CD."
Another scientific report tells us that DNA, in it's raw form, contains between "between 2 and 30 TERAbytes" of information.
That's right kids, DNA contains magnitudes more "DATA" than the Linux Kernel, Windows Kernel, etc. COMBINED
Bill Gates once said, "Human DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software we've ever created."
And think, people today are so blind, they BELIEVE that the UNIVERSE, came about by blind "chance"?
Tell me now, what takes more faith?
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[citation][nom]realorunreal[/nom]A lot people here are stating that "god doesn't exist" or "its just a fairy tale for the adults" then how come this universe exist. I mean I thought in order for something to exist there has to be someone to make it.[/citation]
So who created God then? I thought that if something were to exist it had to be created by someone. In that regards who created God then?
Oh wait, that was organized religion.
Which came first the chicken (God) or the egg (organized religion)?
So who created God then? I thought that if something were to exist it had to be created by someone. In that regards who created God then?
Oh wait, that was organized religion.
Which came first the chicken (God) or the egg (organized religion)?
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[citation][nom]blubbey[/nom]There's also no proof that he does exist. In fact, I am going to make my own religion and God right now. He says all others aren't real. Btw, can God make something so heavy he can't lift it? If he can't, then he isn't all powerful. If he can, he isn't all powerful. God loses.[/citation]
Oh, but if I say that I can fly, you'd make me prove it. Because proof is on the believer not on the disbeliever. I say "prove i can't fly.. go head, prove it." You can't therefore I stand behind my statement that I can fly...
Those who do not believe do not have to prove that it doesn't, you see, it is up to those who do believe that prove that it does. The funny thing is those who don't believe could care less about proof but those who do believe want ot shove "proof" down the the non-believer throats. Proof is not "the bible". The bible is a book, written by a man. You'd say "it's the word of god written by men who were given that word..." and again, non-believers do not have to prove that it wasn't the word of god, believers have to prove that it was.
Bottom line, the burden of proof is on the owner... period.
Oh, but if I say that I can fly, you'd make me prove it. Because proof is on the believer not on the disbeliever. I say "prove i can't fly.. go head, prove it." You can't therefore I stand behind my statement that I can fly...
Those who do not believe do not have to prove that it doesn't, you see, it is up to those who do believe that prove that it does. The funny thing is those who don't believe could care less about proof but those who do believe want ot shove "proof" down the the non-believer throats. Proof is not "the bible". The bible is a book, written by a man. You'd say "it's the word of god written by men who were given that word..." and again, non-believers do not have to prove that it wasn't the word of god, believers have to prove that it was.
Bottom line, the burden of proof is on the owner... period.
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[citation][nom]Nicodemus144[/nom]Jesus loves each and every one of us more than we'll ever understand.[/citation]
But not enough to cure our cancer, replace our lost limbs or provide us with a cure to malaria! Not much kop as a saviour is he? Maybe he saves coupons to get 2 for 1 offers. Preying to God is as effective as preying to a carton of milk, extensive scientific tests have proved this.
But not enough to cure our cancer, replace our lost limbs or provide us with a cure to malaria! Not much kop as a saviour is he? Maybe he saves coupons to get 2 for 1 offers. Preying to God is as effective as preying to a carton of milk, extensive scientific tests have proved this.
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[citation][nom]JamesSneed[/nom]Interesting but the Pope is wrong. The non-religious growth rate is increasing faster than ever. The information provided by Technology is providing the means to truth which opens the eyes of many to see religion as the red tape that it is. I'm not saying it is replacing god in the technical since but instead replacing religion which is what I think the pope really meant.[/citation]
Hm... I'd agree with you there... Far as I'm concerned, organized religion can be replaced by anything less harmful to us... Not saying one shouldn't believe in powers beyond us puny mortals, but getting a bunch of puny mortals in one big building to talk about it and waste energy/time/resources is just... wrong... lol
Hm... I'd agree with you there... Far as I'm concerned, organized religion can be replaced by anything less harmful to us... Not saying one shouldn't believe in powers beyond us puny mortals, but getting a bunch of puny mortals in one big building to talk about it and waste energy/time/resources is just... wrong... lol
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[citation][nom]700_31337[/nom]If it takes hundreds of thousands of dollars, hundreds of highly-educated, trained, experienced, electrical engineers and comp sci staff, millions of dollars of high-tech equipment, etc. to produce a single CPU, a single GPU, etc.Then do we think that, creation, in all of it's utter complexity and coordination, came out of nowhere? ...[/citation]
The difference is that regardless of HOW we were created the answer to a WHO created is cannot be proven. We can prove HOW a computer chip is manufactured and WHO did it. PROOF. Cold hard facts. You can have your own theories but you can't have your own facts. And there is no FACT that god exists. There is fact in the manufacturing process.
So, you see, citing all these things about complexity means nothing to prove a god exists. It merely says it's unlikely that none exists. Also, you compare all those people to god indirectly but you failed to realize that once those engineers and techs and all make that chip they have absolutely no knowledge, control or anything else over that chip as a god would have. And btw, we can prove that too.
The difference is that regardless of HOW we were created the answer to a WHO created is cannot be proven. We can prove HOW a computer chip is manufactured and WHO did it. PROOF. Cold hard facts. You can have your own theories but you can't have your own facts. And there is no FACT that god exists. There is fact in the manufacturing process.
So, you see, citing all these things about complexity means nothing to prove a god exists. It merely says it's unlikely that none exists. Also, you compare all those people to god indirectly but you failed to realize that once those engineers and techs and all make that chip they have absolutely no knowledge, control or anything else over that chip as a god would have. And btw, we can prove that too.
[citation][nom]700_31337[/nom]...Then do we think that, creation, in all of it's utter complexity and coordination, came out of nowhere? How stupid...[/citation]
Not quite. Stupidity is to think, given the billions of years involved and the billions of places they were taking place, that it would not occur.
Not quite. Stupidity is to think, given the billions of years involved and the billions of places they were taking place, that it would not occur.
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[citation][nom]dread_cthulhu[/nom]Hm... I'd agree with you there... Far as I'm concerned, organized religion can be replaced by anything less harmful to us... Not saying one shouldn't believe in powers beyond us puny mortals, but getting a bunch of puny mortals in one big building to talk about it and waste energy/time/resources is just... wrong... lol[/citation]
Completely agreed. It might be a slow process but technology does continue to point out the extreme unlikeliness that any god would exist.
And when a belief becomes unlikely to an individual that individual is likely to give it up.
An omniscient god removes all other possibilities preached upon anyway. Free will? Can't be. A choice to believe in a god? Not your choice. If there is a god and he is omniscient then he knew a billion earth years ago in time as even we measure it that when baby A was born that baby A would NEVER have a belief in him. Is that baby A's fault? Should baby A fry in hell? God KNEW.
My theory is that god is self cancelling. He can't possibly be omniscient and have any other ability. It's a vicious circle for him. He knows that the World Trade Center will be destroyed by terrorists, he performs a "miracle" and diverts those terrorists to dying in a flaming single car accident. How? He can't. He's omniscient. Therefore he knew forever ago, literally, that the event would happen and knew forever ago that he himself would change it and make it not happen therefore. So would it have happened if he wouldn't have changed it? No choice because the path is the path and to change the path would mean that god didn't have omniscience even if the path was changed by himself.
Completely agreed. It might be a slow process but technology does continue to point out the extreme unlikeliness that any god would exist.
And when a belief becomes unlikely to an individual that individual is likely to give it up.
An omniscient god removes all other possibilities preached upon anyway. Free will? Can't be. A choice to believe in a god? Not your choice. If there is a god and he is omniscient then he knew a billion earth years ago in time as even we measure it that when baby A was born that baby A would NEVER have a belief in him. Is that baby A's fault? Should baby A fry in hell? God KNEW.
My theory is that god is self cancelling. He can't possibly be omniscient and have any other ability. It's a vicious circle for him. He knows that the World Trade Center will be destroyed by terrorists, he performs a "miracle" and diverts those terrorists to dying in a flaming single car accident. How? He can't. He's omniscient. Therefore he knew forever ago, literally, that the event would happen and knew forever ago that he himself would change it and make it not happen therefore. So would it have happened if he wouldn't have changed it? No choice because the path is the path and to change the path would mean that god didn't have omniscience even if the path was changed by himself.
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[citation][nom]sykozis[/nom]Can you prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that god does not exist? No reason to make this about religion....but, some people actually do believe God does exist as there's absolutely zero proof to the contrary.[/citation]
Do you know some people can fly by flapping their arms really fast? It's true because I say so and you can't prove a damned thing on the contrary.
Read up on the basics of science. If you can't test something you can neither proove nor disproove anything connected or said about it.
Your comment was ignorant at best.
Do you know some people can fly by flapping their arms really fast? It's true because I say so and you can't prove a damned thing on the contrary.
Read up on the basics of science. If you can't test something you can neither proove nor disproove anything connected or said about it.
Your comment was ignorant at best.
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[citation][nom]jimsmith59[/nom]oh so he stands by scientific theory now? i thought religion didn't believe in scientific theories like the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution[/citation]
Can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, but the Catholic Church isn't opposed to science (including evolution).
Can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, but the Catholic Church isn't opposed to science (including evolution).
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Funny that if the Pope says it, then it become some big controversy.
The point is that if we focus on technology too much (as in, it effectively becomes a god to us, whether you consciously consider it a god or not), then our lives will be unbalanced and unhealthy. For believers especially, focusing on God is more healthy because it encourages correct thought. For non-believers, I suppose you'd encourage them to focus on others and your relationships. Technology can't solve every problem, and every advance brings new struggles and problems that we have to fix or deal with. It's a self-feeding cycle.
There's more to what he said under the surface if you decide to look at it with seriousness.
The point is that if we focus on technology too much (as in, it effectively becomes a god to us, whether you consciously consider it a god or not), then our lives will be unbalanced and unhealthy. For believers especially, focusing on God is more healthy because it encourages correct thought. For non-believers, I suppose you'd encourage them to focus on others and your relationships. Technology can't solve every problem, and every advance brings new struggles and problems that we have to fix or deal with. It's a self-feeding cycle.
There's more to what he said under the surface if you decide to look at it with seriousness.
The probability of the Earth coming together with conditions supporting life from the supposed imaginable mess told in the Big Bang theory is synonymous with finding a perfectly painted picture laying on the beach after a hurricane.
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