The probability of the Earth coming together with conditions supporting life from the supposed imaginable mess told in the Big Bang theory is synonymous with finding a perfectly painted picture laying on the beach after a hurricane.
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God does exist, he exists in the form of 4+ billion people on the planet believing in him in one way or another..... do not underestimate the power of human faith.... it has lead us to wars for centuries, it influences our laws, our cultures..... no, technology cannot replace God as long as people want to believe in God.
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[citation][nom]utgardaloki[/nom]Do you know some people can fly by flapping their arms really fast? It's true because I say so and you can't prove a damned thing on the contrary.Read up on the basics of science. If you can't test something you can neither proove nor disproove anything connected or said about it.Your comment was ignorant at best.[/citation]
Haha, I said the same thing but accidentally quoted the wrong person. Proof is on the sayer, not the naysayer.
A recent news item. Some from Koresh's cult out in Waco still believe to this day he is god. They even have "proof". He told them that people would die in fires if the government came in. Never mind the fact that the government bugged and recorded him commanding his followers to set fires when the attack began. Did that make Koresh god? Not even close. What Koresh was...was a child molesting freak that god what he deserved..
I'm ranting, but I agree with you.
Haha, I said the same thing but accidentally quoted the wrong person. Proof is on the sayer, not the naysayer.
A recent news item. Some from Koresh's cult out in Waco still believe to this day he is god. They even have "proof". He told them that people would die in fires if the government came in. Never mind the fact that the government bugged and recorded him commanding his followers to set fires when the attack began. Did that make Koresh god? Not even close. What Koresh was...was a child molesting freak that god what he deserved..
I'm ranting, but I agree with you.
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[citation][nom]utgardaloki[/nom]Do you know some people can fly by flapping their arms really fast? It's true because I say so and you can't prove a damned thing on the contrary.Read up on the basics of science. If you can't test something you can neither proove nor disproove anything connected or said about it.Your comment was ignorant at best.[/citation]
Different.
We know the mechanisms of flight. The physics are understood. We know that someone flapping their arms really fast won't be able to fly. There are human limits and physical limits involved and so it is disprovable.
Spiritual effects are inherently untestable because there are variables that cannot be controlled for. You can study the sociological and psychological effects of community and spiritual belief or religious practice, but you can't solve the debate with science, especially with believers. Sure, you could set up studies on the effects of long-distance prayer, but if it doesn't show much of an effect, it is easily explained by the fact that it's not magic or a push-button thing... God *can* say "no" and not cooperate the way we would want Him to. And this isn't much of a cop-out because it's actually a fundamental aspect that needs to be understood... thinking that by praying you will automagically get anything and everything is not a good understanding of prayer.
Too many variables. I'm sorry, but science can't test religion. They are two different things.
Different.
We know the mechanisms of flight. The physics are understood. We know that someone flapping their arms really fast won't be able to fly. There are human limits and physical limits involved and so it is disprovable.
Spiritual effects are inherently untestable because there are variables that cannot be controlled for. You can study the sociological and psychological effects of community and spiritual belief or religious practice, but you can't solve the debate with science, especially with believers. Sure, you could set up studies on the effects of long-distance prayer, but if it doesn't show much of an effect, it is easily explained by the fact that it's not magic or a push-button thing... God *can* say "no" and not cooperate the way we would want Him to. And this isn't much of a cop-out because it's actually a fundamental aspect that needs to be understood... thinking that by praying you will automagically get anything and everything is not a good understanding of prayer.
Too many variables. I'm sorry, but science can't test religion. They are two different things.
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[citation][nom]iNiNe5[/nom]God does exist, he exists in the form of 4+ billion people on the planet believing in him in one way or another..... do not underestimate the power of human faith.... it has lead us to wars for centuries, it influences our laws, our cultures..... no, technology cannot replace God as long as people want to believe in God.[/citation]
Mere belief does not make it something that can't be replaced. It still must exist first. Comets bring no gods but a cult killed themselves on the belief that one did. If that belief had been 4 billion strong would the comet still been empty of a god? Yup!
I agree with your context but disagree that belief makes anything "real".
Mere belief does not make it something that can't be replaced. It still must exist first. Comets bring no gods but a cult killed themselves on the belief that one did. If that belief had been 4 billion strong would the comet still been empty of a god? Yup!
I agree with your context but disagree that belief makes anything "real".
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The Roman Catholic leader said that those who wish to have relationship with God must "abandon the pride of wanting to become God."
But wait...in the Bible it says that man is created in the image of God, and so we must all be God's in our own right.
Too bad about the technology rap...I have always considered God to be the "Big Computer in the Sky", and thought it was our duty to try and interface with it and gain access to the cosmic database. All the Pope is doing is putting a theological firewall in place--too bad.
But wait...in the Bible it says that man is created in the image of God, and so we must all be God's in our own right.
Too bad about the technology rap...I have always considered God to be the "Big Computer in the Sky", and thought it was our duty to try and interface with it and gain access to the cosmic database. All the Pope is doing is putting a theological firewall in place--too bad.
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[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]But wait...in the Bible it says that man is created in the image of God, and so we must all be God's in our own right..[/citation]
Keyword, "image" not powers of God.
Keyword, "image" not powers of God.
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[citation][nom]jimsmith59[/nom]oh so he stands by scientific theory now? i thought religion didn't believe in scientific theories like the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution[/citation] As much as i dislike that child raping nazi goon...i have to say that the Catholic Church believes in evolution. They just think the pink unicorn in the sky "created" evolution. BTW i cant help but see the irony in this speech, he needs to take his own advice, and stop telling people what do think and do. I tend to not take advice from Hitler Youth.
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[citation][nom]realorunreal[/nom]A lot people here are stating that "god doesn't exist" or "its just a fairy tale for the adults" then how come this universe exist. I mean I thought in order for something to exist there has to be someone to make it.[/citation]
Well, you THOUGHT wrong....go back to rotting your brain and let the big kids talk.
Well, you THOUGHT wrong....go back to rotting your brain and let the big kids talk.
[citation][nom]Theomega[/nom]The probability of the Earth coming together with conditions supporting life from the supposed imaginable mess told in the Big Bang theory is synonymous with finding a perfectly painted picture laying on the beach after a hurricane.[/citation]
Actually, it's synonymous with finding a perfectly painted picture laying on the beach after a billion billion hurricanes on a billion billion beaches over billions and billions of years.
If an event has a one in a trillion chance of happening in any given moment at any given place, and you have billions or trillions of places and unlimited moments, it will very likely happen at some point.
Actually, it's synonymous with finding a perfectly painted picture laying on the beach after a billion billion hurricanes on a billion billion beaches over billions and billions of years.
If an event has a one in a trillion chance of happening in any given moment at any given place, and you have billions or trillions of places and unlimited moments, it will very likely happen at some point.
The pope's definition of religion is all screwy...
Isn't delving in the sciences and finding out the way nature, physics, chemistry and philosophy work essentially the definition of a true religion? To find the way our world works is in my opinion the only religion. Everything else is simply an unfounded belief and mindless drivel. The pope has it ass-backwards.
Isn't delving in the sciences and finding out the way nature, physics, chemistry and philosophy work essentially the definition of a true religion? To find the way our world works is in my opinion the only religion. Everything else is simply an unfounded belief and mindless drivel. The pope has it ass-backwards.
I understand why most of us dont believe in God.
People uses its brain to understand and if they don't understand they don't believe.
The problem is human brain cant understand God and to be able to understand God you have to believe.
Well My brain cant understand God. But I believe in him.
People uses its brain to understand and if they don't understand they don't believe.
The problem is human brain cant understand God and to be able to understand God you have to believe.
Well My brain cant understand God. But I believe in him.
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[citation][nom]sykozis[/nom]Can you prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that god does not exist? No reason to make this about religion....but, some people actually do believe God does exist as there's absolutely zero proof to the contrary.[/citation]This old run around is just silly...there is more proof that the universe was random then there is proof it was created. While your quote of "there is zero proof" is wrong, you are right, there is not 100% proof that I'm right. Gravity is also not 100% provable. Theory that our bodies take in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide...also not 100% provable. What is provable is the universe does not NEED a creator to exist(ty Steven). And you have LESS then 0% proof that god is real.
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[citation][nom]coupe[/nom]The Humanization of god is just attempts to understand forces we do not.If you really think about it, the singularity before the big bang is god as we understand today.[/citation]
EHHH WRONG!
EHHH WRONG!
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So many atheists on here.
I hope you all find the salvation and peace of mind that only God and Jesus can give.
I hope you all find the salvation and peace of mind that only God and Jesus can give.
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