ReplayTV activation hacks

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NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
lifetime on the 2020?

I know that some are going to bitch and moan about my request. If so,
save it for someone who cares.

thx
lmpk
 
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The 2020 was sold with a lifetime sub as they didn't unbundle the subs
back then. The 2020 activation isn't transferable to a new unit from
what I understand but if it is please let us know. Has anyone at DNNA
actually told you they'll do a transfer from a 2020?

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> NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
> activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
> lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
> to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
> FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
> completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
> lifetime on the 2020?
>
> I know that some are going to bitch and moan about my request. If so,
> save it for someone who cares.
>
> thx
> lmpk
 
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> NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
> activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
> lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
> to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
> FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
> completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
> lifetime on the 2020?

Wow. I was about to ask almost the same question. I have a 4500 with a
failed drive. So, I bought a larger drive, downloaded rtvpatch and the
image file for the 4500.

After a bit of messing around (the directions out there for doing this on a
Mac are rather shabby), I got rtvpatch to run. It said everything was
good. I plugged the new disk into the RTV. RTV booted without a problem.
But now when I try to do anything, it complains that I need to activate it.
If I go to the web site to activate it, I get an error that the machine is
already activated (which it is). How can I get past this?

If no one has an answer, I'll call support, but I suspect they won't help
since it wasn't an authorized drive switch.

The old disk wasn't completely dead. It was just acting really flaky. So
I figured it was safer to download a clean image than to try to save the
old OS from my disk. I did go back after the activiation page came up and
put the old disk on my computer. The drive seems to have died in the mean
time. I can't even get my machien to recognize that it's attached. If
this is the only way to get past this, I'll play some more and see if I can
get anything off the old drive.

Thanks.

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"BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote in message news:<dcoad.4715$Aa1.2120@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> The 2020 was sold with a lifetime sub as they didn't unbundle the subs
> back then. The 2020 activation isn't transferable to a new unit from
> what I understand but if it is please let us know. Has anyone at DNNA
> actually told you they'll do a transfer from a 2020?
>
I talked to a fellow who said they would do it, but didn't get his
name. He gave me a case # to reference my call with his notes in it
so that I could call back when I got my replacement box and get it
transferred. I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't transfer
the activation to the new box given that information.
 
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Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote in message news:<e1pad.292598$bp1.11875@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
> > NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
> > activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
> > lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
> > to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
> > FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
> > completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
> > lifetime on the 2020?
>
> Wow. I was about to ask almost the same question. I have a 4500 with a
> failed drive. So, I bought a larger drive, downloaded rtvpatch and the
> image file for the 4500.
>
> After a bit of messing around (the directions out there for doing this on a
> Mac are rather shabby), I got rtvpatch to run. It said everything was
> good. I plugged the new disk into the RTV. RTV booted without a problem.
> But now when I try to do anything, it complains that I need to activate it.
> If I go to the web site to activate it, I get an error that the machine is
> already activated (which it is). How can I get past this?
>
> If no one has an answer, I'll call support, but I suspect they won't help
> since it wasn't an authorized drive switch.
>
> The old disk wasn't completely dead. It was just acting really flaky. So
> I figured it was safer to download a clean image than to try to save the
> old OS from my disk. I did go back after the activiation page came up and
> put the old disk on my computer. The drive seems to have died in the mean
> time. I can't even get my machien to recognize that it's attached. If
> this is the only way to get past this, I'll play some more and see if I can
> get anything off the old drive.
>
> Thanks.


Was it a monthly sub before? If so, the activation message may be
because it's activation has expired and it needs to dial in to update.
You shouldn't loose lifetime activation from a disk change since the
activation is kept on an eeprom in the machine separate from the
drive.

Have you tried 243 zones to force it to net connect and update it's
activation? If you can stand being on hold for an eternity, call DNNA
tell them that your unit says it's not activated and ask them how to
get past that error - don't bother them with details of the drive
change, as it shouldn't be relevant to the problem.

Your issue is somewhat different than mine, in that my unit will still
know that it's activated (since the lifetime will still be on the
EEPROM) until it tries to connect to DNNA. Once it connects, their
system should say "oops, you're no longer a lifetime", and deactivate
it.

What I want to do should not be considered theft since I want to sever
my ties completely from their service and simply use the replay unit
(if I can repair it) with my own guide data (via wirns and fresco).
The problem is, I am not sure if I can effectively block all
communications with the RTV servers to keep it from trying to access
their network (thus causing theft of services?) and getting the
deactivation message. I need to know how to effectively block all
communicatins with the RTV server AND automatically create the correct
communications on my internal network to emulate what my RTV unit
expects so that it will continue to run correctly.

TIA for your help.
lmpk
 
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Larry Moss wrote:
>>NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
>>activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
>>lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
>>to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
>>FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
>>completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
>>lifetime on the 2020?
>
>
> Wow. I was about to ask almost the same question. I have a 4500 with a
> failed drive. So, I bought a larger drive, downloaded rtvpatch and the
> image file for the 4500.
>
> After a bit of messing around (the directions out there for doing this on a
> Mac are rather shabby), I got rtvpatch to run. It said everything was
> good. I plugged the new disk into the RTV. RTV booted without a problem.
> But now when I try to do anything, it complains that I need to activate it.
> If I go to the web site to activate it, I get an error that the machine is
> already activated (which it is). How can I get past this?

You don't activate it. You just do a net connect for the guide and the
machine is reset.
 
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Greg wrote:
> A 2020 can only connect by phone ... don't plug in a phone cord. If you think
> it can leap across the room and connect itself, put in a bogus zip code.
> A lifetime machine should be able to do manual records forever but I am not
> sure what else it is good for without a network connection.
>
> BTW I have thought about this too .. with a 45xx/5xxx. Buy a non-activated
> machine cheap, switch the lifetime over to it and just use the old, still
> activated, machine for a streamer.
> Set it to phone connect and don't plug in the phone line.
>

I understand that concept (rtv can run as a standalone forever).
However, I would LIKE to use the scheduling features using MY OWN
schedule as derived from sources other than DNNA. You can do this by
using a linux box to emulate the local dialup connection and pass the
requests to a WiRNS server, which then, in turn proxies your requests
to the DNNA server and allows you to push your own schedule instead of
theirs. Unfortunately, WiRNS still requires communication with the
DNNA server to provide the appropriate hand-shaking information,
activation, and such. What I was hoping is that someone had
documented how one might create their own handshaking mechanisms and
avoid any connection to the DNNA server.

I do believe that in order to load the schedule information onto your
computer, the replay device expects certain information that is only
currently supplied by DNNA. I really don't care what that information
is, but it needs to be valid enough to allow the 2020 to get through
the schedule upload process.
 
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In article <b44b3d69.0410110624.349725c8@posting.google.com>,
lumpkin666@hotmail.com (Lump Kin) wrote:

> What I want to do should not be considered theft since I want to sever
> my ties completely from their service and simply use the replay unit
> (if I can repair it) with my own guide data (via wirns and fresco).

No, that is theft.

Your license to use the software on their box is tied to your activation
with them. If you're not paid up, you can't use their software on their
box.
 

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>The problem is, I am not sure if I can effectively block all
>communications with the RTV servers

A 2020 can only connect by phone ... don't plug in a phone cord. If you think
it can leap across the room and connect itself, put in a bogus zip code.
A lifetime machine should be able to do manual records forever but I am not
sure what else it is good for without a network connection.

BTW I have thought about this too .. with a 45xx/5xxx. Buy a non-activated
machine cheap, switch the lifetime over to it and just use the old, still
activated, machine for a streamer.
Set it to phone connect and don't plug in the phone line.
 
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On 11 Oct 2004 16:27:35 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:

>>The problem is, I am not sure if I can effectively block all
>>communications with the RTV servers
>
>A 2020 can only connect by phone ... don't plug in a phone cord. If you think
>it can leap across the room and connect itself, put in a bogus zip code.

The ZIP has no effect on the ability to connect. The error from a
bogus ZIP wouldn't be detected until AFTER the connection is made,
Perhaps you mean a bogus PHONE NUMBER. These are completely
independant. I often used different phone/ZIP combinations (such as a
number for Texas, where I am and a ZIP for New York, where I was
checking on listings for) when testing.

>A lifetime machine should be able to do manual records forever but I am not
>sure what else it is good for without a network connection.
>
>BTW I have thought about this too .. with a 45xx/5xxx. Buy a non-activated
>machine cheap, switch the lifetime over to it and just use the old, still
>activated, machine for a streamer.
>Set it to phone connect and don't plug in the phone line.
>

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You are dialing with the PC modem?
Since this is a garden variety async connection, why not trace the line and see
what it sends?

I never tried the RNS server but I thought it could operate standalone.
 

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>Perhaps you mean a bogus PHONE NUMBER. These are completely
>independant.

My mistake sorry. I never used the dial up on my 4500. I just guessed it picked
up the number from the zip code. How do you know what a good number is when you
are starting from scratch?
 
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On 11 Oct 2004 20:57:47 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:

>>Perhaps you mean a bogus PHONE NUMBER. These are completely
>>independant.
>
>My mistake sorry. I never used the dial up on my 4500.

I now have 3 5xxx units (one a year and a half old), and have never
used phone with any of them (it's ethernet and a cable modem). My
information comes from using a 2020 (one of the first, it was a
substitution for a $700 2001), 3060, and a 30-hr Showstopper. BTW, I
still have the 2020 and 3060. The Showstopper is the only one that
failed.

> I just guessed it picked
>up the number from the zip code.

It doesn't (at least the older ones don't). There's no phone number
unless you're using the phoneline.

> How do you know what a good number is when you
>are starting from scratch?

Irrelevant for ethernet, it uses your existing internet connection.
For dial-up, it asks you to enter 6 digits of your number (as in
(903)657-xxxx), then dials a national toll-free number (built in to
the software) and gives you a list of applicable local numbers (check
on which are local to you). You might have to try 1-3 from the list.

I have several times used an older Replay to check on the guides for
other areas. I'd leave the number at 903-657 (correct for my area) and
enter the ZIP for the area I want to check on (like 10001 for New
York). It would dial the already set up number for my area (which is a
long way from NY) and get the guides for NY.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <b44b3d69.0410110624.349725c8@posting.google.com>,
> lumpkin666@hotmail.com (Lump Kin) wrote:
>
>
>>What I want to do should not be considered theft since I want to sever
>>my ties completely from their service and simply use the replay unit
>>(if I can repair it) with my own guide data (via wirns and fresco).
>
>
> No, that is theft.
>
> Your license to use the software on their box is tied to your activation
> with them. If you're not paid up, you can't use their software on their
> box.
>

I'd be interested where the license states this "fact" in an enforceable
manner.
 

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This is the best site I've found for doing what you are describing.

http://www.molehill.org/twiki/bin/view/Replay/


Because you have a lifetime activation, the cryptographic signing
should never be an issue for you.




On 11 Oct 2004 10:45:27 -0700, lumpkin666@hotmail.com (Lump Kin)
wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> A 2020 can only connect by phone ... don't plug in a phone cord. If you think
>> it can leap across the room and connect itself, put in a bogus zip code.
>> A lifetime machine should be able to do manual records forever but I am not
>> sure what else it is good for without a network connection.
>>
>> BTW I have thought about this too .. with a 45xx/5xxx. Buy a non-activated
>> machine cheap, switch the lifetime over to it and just use the old, still
>> activated, machine for a streamer.
>> Set it to phone connect and don't plug in the phone line.
>>
>
>I understand that concept (rtv can run as a standalone forever).
>However, I would LIKE to use the scheduling features using MY OWN
>schedule as derived from sources other than DNNA. You can do this by
>using a linux box to emulate the local dialup connection and pass the
>requests to a WiRNS server, which then, in turn proxies your requests
>to the DNNA server and allows you to push your own schedule instead of
>theirs. Unfortunately, WiRNS still requires communication with the
>DNNA server to provide the appropriate hand-shaking information,
>activation, and such. What I was hoping is that someone had
>documented how one might create their own handshaking mechanisms and
>avoid any connection to the DNNA server.
>
>I do believe that in order to load the schedule information onto your
>computer, the replay device expects certain information that is only
>currently supplied by DNNA. I really don't care what that information
>is, but it needs to be valid enough to allow the 2020 to get through
>the schedule upload process.
 
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Lump Kin wrote:

> NO BS - anybody have any real info they can share about bypassing the
> activation process??? I have a 2020 that I'm transferring the
> lifetime because it's having drive troubles.... would like the option
> to try to fix and use the 2020 sometime - maybe using WIRNS via a
> FRESCO setup. Are there any documented/working processes to
> completely avoid connecting to DNNA and thereby retain the existing
> lifetime on the 2020?
>
> I know that some are going to bitch and moan about my request. If so,
> save it for someone who cares.
>
> thx
> lmpk

No..... Not complaining. But it may be easier to do than you think.

I've no presonal expierence doing this but from other posts in this
newsgroup I gather that the uint's ID for registration/activation
purposes is stored on a chip, not on the Hard Drive, The chip dontains
NO info on the hard drive. So if you change/upgrade/add your hard drive
(add a 2nd drive) the activation registration does not change.

Thus, it remains activted.. In short. No problem

Or so they say
 

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>I gather that the uint's ID for registration/activation
>purposes is stored on a chip, not on the Hard Drive,

The serial number is on the chip, the software load on the drive gets selected
by what RTV thinks that S/N's activation status is when you load it.
They don't have a clue whether you are going to be lifetime or monthly when
they made that machine.
You can also upgrade a monthly to a lifetime without sending it in for a chip
transplant. There may be something "flashed" into the chip on activation but
whether that is on the chip or the drive is purely semantic. If you start with
a factory reset it should do that again.
I bet it is really just in the software load.
 
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Greg wrote:

>>I gather that the uint's ID for registration/activation
>>purposes is stored on a chip, not on the Hard Drive,
>
>
> The serial number is on the chip, the software load on the drive gets selected
> by what RTV thinks that S/N's activation status is when you load it.
> They don't have a clue whether you are going to be lifetime or monthly when
> they made that machine.
> You can also upgrade a monthly to a lifetime without sending it in for a chip
> transplant. There may be something "flashed" into the chip on activation but
> whether that is on the chip or the drive is purely semantic. If you start with
> a factory reset it should do that again.
> I bet it is really just in the software load.

Some series were sold only activated 2ks, 3ks. ALL units check
activation status upon connecting.
 

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>Some series were sold only activated 2ks, 3ks. ALL units check
>activation status upon connecting.
>

Actually the RTV seems to check activation status every time you do anything
(based on my experience with my 45**) but I suppose you are talking about the
host server checking the S/N vs the database before it sends anything down the
pipe.
Some day I may buy another one to play with but I am just leaving mine alone
right now. I don't want any more complication in my life.
 
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Greg wrote:
>>Some series were sold only activated 2ks, 3ks. ALL units check
>>activation status upon connecting.
>>
>
>
> Actually the RTV seems to check activation status every time you do anything
> (based on my experience with my 45**) but I suppose you are talking about the
> host server checking the S/N vs the database before it sends anything down the
> pipe.
> Some day I may buy another one to play with but I am just leaving mine alone
> right now. I don't want any more complication in my life.

There are many reasons why they check.

Your credit card might have expired so your monthly has run out.

Somebody could clone a drive every 10 days to get a new "grace period".

The unit might be stolen.

You may have transferred life activation and then tried to keep using
the other unit.