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In article <Xns964E96B5632ADLouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>,
SINNER <arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:

> * Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
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> > http://uspirg.org/uspirg.asp?id2=10531&id3=USPIRG&
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> August 2003!
>
> Yeah, nothing has changed since then...
>
> --
> David

and that link correctly says:

"cable rates have skyrocketed; service levels have declined;"
 
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> > Or do you have some evidence showing otherwise that you'd like to
> > share with us?
>
> Plenty, but you can find it yourself

In other words, "No, I don't."
 
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In article <MPG.1ce585329c8c45989d14@news.nabs.net>,
Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

> Even PPV VOD could be downloaded to *every* DVR. You just wouldn't pay
> for it unless you tried to watch it. As far as the user would be concerned,
> the interface would be exactly the same as today...the only difference is
> where the video is stored.

I believe that technology is already patented by TiVo.
 
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Jack Zwick (jzwick3@mindspring.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> In article <MPG.1ce585329c8c45989d14@news.nabs.net>,
> Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
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> > Even PPV VOD could be downloaded to *every* DVR. You just wouldn't pay
> > for it unless you tried to watch it. As far as the user would be concerned,
> > the interface would be exactly the same as today...the only difference is
> > where the video is stored.
>
> I believe that technology is already patented by TiVo.

DirecTV has stated they will use a similar thing with PPV in their NDS
DVR (I know...it's still vaporware).

But, Comcast is already partnered with TiVo. I suspect that they will
use this sort of technology to try and recover bandwidth as they realize
*they* are the ones with the crunch, not the satellite companies.

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* ric wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> SINNER wrote:

>> > Or do you have some evidence showing otherwise that you'd like to
>> > share with us?

>> Plenty, but you can find it yourself

> In other words, "No, I don't."

Funny, when I look those words up in Roget's I dont find those words to
convey the same meaning.

Add something or STFU.
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VOD services in my system lie between 588 & 630MHz, and the bandwidth is
not exclusive to VOD, either. Several other services in the mix. Not
even close to enough bandwidth for 100 channels.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if they took that
> bandwidth and gave you 100 more channels (or 20 more HD channels)?
 
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Ed Nielsen (egnlsn@comcast.net) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> VOD services in my system lie between 588 & 630MHz, and the bandwidth is
> not exclusive to VOD, either. Several other services in the mix. Not
> even close to enough bandwidth for 100 channels.

Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.

Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
users if VOD was popular.

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
>
> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
>
> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

Ed N.
 
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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

Ed N.
 
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Jeff Rife wrote:
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> Well, it's over 250Mbps of available space, which is over 80 channels at
> typical over-compressed cable bitrates, so I wasn't far off.
>
> Still, there has to be more bandwidth than that at the main cable plant,
> since otherwise the first 80 users of VOD would completely tie up the
> system. Even at the "neighborhood" level, it's likely you'd get 80
> users if VOD was popular.
>
There are 33 SD services and 5 HD services in that 48MHz bandwidth.

The thing about VOD is that it is quite popular. It is available to all
subscribers right off the bat. You don't even have to subscribe to
digital services to use it (except premiums )-- just have a DCT. Analog
STBs have not been installed for a few years, which makes that part even
easier. A large percentage of subscribers have upgraded from basic or
expanded basic service to add digital services. Some have gone back
down to basic or expanded basic. But they still have their DCT, which
makes VOD available to them.

Don't have to buy a TiVo (or other DVR) to use it. Don't have to train
that DVR on what to record. As you go through the menu, you may see
something that looks interesting enough to watch but you didn't even
know that it was out there, let alone record it. Perhaps even something
you saw a long time ago. This past season, many of our local high
school football games were available to watch, and there is other local
programming as well. Some of the PPV movies have a High Def version
available.

Too many pros to consider it anything other than a positive.


CIAO!

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Sorry about all the duplicates. My client kept telling me that the
message wasn't sent because of a server problem.

Again, I apologize.


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Sean,

I changed to DTV about three years ago because of several reasons. First of
all the down time for cable was getting out of hand. The second reason was
the cost was getting out of hand. The third reason was because the poor
customer service and attitude was getting out of hand. They all just got
worse as time went on. Cable chased me away!

When I started with cable I took down my big expensive antenna and had them
hook me up. Cable was 25 cents per month for limited basic and that was not
a special offer either. That went to $0.50 in a year. Next to $5.00 in
just over a year.. next it went to something like $14.00 and so on. In a
period of about 10 years it got up to where I was spending about $50.00 a
month or so before the charges for HBO. I ask you, what other business can
raise rates that aggressively and still remain in business? With this past
history, how long do you thing it will be before cable springs the trap on
VOD? You have to know they must be planning to hook as many people as they
can for a period of time and then will most likely charge for it. And if
(when) they do, I bet the rates will clime rapidly! This is cable's history.
Why would they change now?

I lived on a cul-de-sac up until about a month ago. There were 13 houses on
that street and all started with cable. There was only one that was still on
Comcast when I left. When you looked at the surrounding neighborhoods,
dishes were popping up every where. I actually changed because I kept
hearing from my neighbors how much better the DBS was then the cable and I
was becoming more and more frustrated with cables problems and poor service.

The one exception is that I do miss the higher speed internet, but my DSL is
half the price or less and it works fine... and I use it a lot... which is
why I was so pissed off at Comcast when they went down so often, and for a
period of over a day on several occasions.

Then there is TiVo.. that indeed has me hooked. I find I don't sit in front
of the TV and channel surf any where near as much as before. I do the time
shift like everyone else.. and although it does cost $4.99 a month.. it's
worth it! I love my TiVo!

Craig


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> On Fri, 06 May 2005 18:39:52 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <Xns964E7922E5136Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>,
>> SINNER <arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:
>>
>>> * Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>>
>>> > Please let us
>>> > all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
>>> > Sailing" on our DVR's.
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet that one gets viewed 2x a week. If you have to watch a 11 minute
>>> instructional video on how to sail in Heavy Weather I am sure the Coast
>>> Guard would rather you kept your fat ass on the couch.
>>>
>>> And I am sure that Golf instructional has you becoming a regualr Jack
>>> Nicholas in 9 minutes. Just becasue it has something that Tivo/Sat
>>> doesnt, dosent make it better or even useful which is why they turned
>>> to Tivo, so they would program what the consumer wants instead of
>>> usless garbage. My friend was bragging all about VOD....until he got a
>>> DVR.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David
>>
>>50 million viewers of Satellite cant be wrong.
>
> I guess that means 154 million (as of 2003) viewers of cable are
> wrong.
>
> Rather than take a Tivo/Sat rumpswab dolt like Jackies word for this,
> let's look at some official data from
>
> http://uspirg.org/uspirg.asp?id2=10531&id3=USPIRG&
>
>
> Although cable operators argue that they face serious competition from
> the nation's two Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) providers, data
> compiled by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) also confirm
> that DBS, while growing in subscribers, appeals primarily to limited
> subsets of consumers, and is unable to restrain cable's prices charged
> to consumers at large.
>
> ...
>
> This failure of DBS to restrain cable prices also reflects the fact
> that DBS is popular primarily at two edges of the market - in rural
> areas where there is no cable service at all, and among the minority
> of consumers that are willing to pay stiff premiums to receive large
> numbers of sports channels. DBS also has serious shortcomings that
> limit its appeal to many cable subscribers. DBS cannot reach many
> urban customers who lack a direct line of sight to the southern sky,
> and dishes are often difficult to install in the multifamily dwelling
> units that house approximately 30 percent of the U.S. population. DBS
> is still not able to offer local broadcast channels in many markets.
> Surveys indicate that 47 percent of cable subscribers would not
> subscribe to satellite service for that reason alone. DBS is also
> unable to offer customers the same bundles as cable operators,
> including telephone services, and has been extremely slow in offering
> efficient two-way high-speed Internet access services. Making matters
> worse, as the major cable operators have completed their nationwide
> upgrades to digital facilities, DBS loses the quality advantage it
> previously could offer to lure high-end subscribers.
>
>
> Lots more good real data instead of gibberish from Jackie the moron.
>
> Sean
 
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In article <427E5298.30406@comcast.net>,
Ed Nielsen <egnlsn@comcast.net> wrote:

> Sorry about all the duplicates. My client kept telling me that the
> message wasn't sent because of a server problem.
>
> Again, I apologize.
>
>
> CIAO!
>
> Ed N.

Sorry, Cable has zero credibility.
 
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