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[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]Watcha, although most of your posts up until "The average iPhone user is more educated than Android users" or "the fastest phone" were helpful or true. The iPhone is not the fastest although does currently have the best gpu.[/citation]
The iPhone, as I said, has the fastest CPU/GPU combination. Since the experience of both Android and iOS is graphics accelerated, that means it has the fastest hardware OVERALL. Exactly as I said. Whereas the graphics on the iPhone 4S are more than double the speed of Android phones, the CPU is comparable even against the very fastest CPU's of Android. Don't think that comparing clock speed is a valid comparison. Even at a slight CPU deficit, the iPhone more than makes up for this with its GPU, making it the fastest phone overall on the market. By a significant margin, by the way.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]Also being smug does not amount to being smarter than an adroid user. Too many people believe they are superior in some way by owning an iPhone or Apple product in general. [/citation]
Lets be clear that what I stated was a fact, not an opinion. The average iPhone user is better educated than Android:
'iPhone users are wealthier and better-educated than owners of other smartphones - and far above owners of mere dumbphones.'
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/12/forrester_iphone_survey/
This fact has nothing to do with anyone feeling 'smug' - and that you interpret in that way is your failing, not mine.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying the iPhone is a bad phone or that apple sucks, just that making a bias judgement against someone's personality or intelligence because they don't own an iPhone is well... opinion, not factual, and pretty ridiculous and rude[/citation]
Lets journey back and be clear exactly WHO was trying to make a judgement against someone for liking a particular product:
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]If you buy that, I have a bridge to sell you-- In the moon! The iPhone 4s is nothing but another drm infested iCrap jail for clueless sheeple who dont know what to do with their freedom and who have not done their tech homework. I admit I would have issues about being seen with that crappy Apple logo now synonymous with clueless morons.[/citation]
Now contrast this to my, now clearly evidenced fact:
[citation][nom]watcha[/nom2 - The average iPhone users are more educated than Android users.[/citation]
Now ask yourself why you chose to ignore the blatant bias, rudeness, opinionated drivel of someone pro Android, and instead chose to accuse a logical, reasoned and evidenced point of doing the same thing?
Now THAT is ridiculous, and rude - you hypocrite.
The iPhone, as I said, has the fastest CPU/GPU combination. Since the experience of both Android and iOS is graphics accelerated, that means it has the fastest hardware OVERALL. Exactly as I said. Whereas the graphics on the iPhone 4S are more than double the speed of Android phones, the CPU is comparable even against the very fastest CPU's of Android. Don't think that comparing clock speed is a valid comparison. Even at a slight CPU deficit, the iPhone more than makes up for this with its GPU, making it the fastest phone overall on the market. By a significant margin, by the way.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]Also being smug does not amount to being smarter than an adroid user. Too many people believe they are superior in some way by owning an iPhone or Apple product in general. [/citation]
Lets be clear that what I stated was a fact, not an opinion. The average iPhone user is better educated than Android:
'iPhone users are wealthier and better-educated than owners of other smartphones - and far above owners of mere dumbphones.'
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/12/forrester_iphone_survey/
This fact has nothing to do with anyone feeling 'smug' - and that you interpret in that way is your failing, not mine.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying the iPhone is a bad phone or that apple sucks, just that making a bias judgement against someone's personality or intelligence because they don't own an iPhone is well... opinion, not factual, and pretty ridiculous and rude[/citation]
Lets journey back and be clear exactly WHO was trying to make a judgement against someone for liking a particular product:
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]If you buy that, I have a bridge to sell you-- In the moon! The iPhone 4s is nothing but another drm infested iCrap jail for clueless sheeple who dont know what to do with their freedom and who have not done their tech homework. I admit I would have issues about being seen with that crappy Apple logo now synonymous with clueless morons.[/citation]
Now contrast this to my, now clearly evidenced fact:
[citation][nom]watcha[/nom2 - The average iPhone users are more educated than Android users.[/citation]
Now ask yourself why you chose to ignore the blatant bias, rudeness, opinionated drivel of someone pro Android, and instead chose to accuse a logical, reasoned and evidenced point of doing the same thing?
Now THAT is ridiculous, and rude - you hypocrite.
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False! I can choose a handful of benchmarks totally irrelevant to the user where any crappy piece of hardware with an el-cheapo 512 meg of ram can outperform superior hardware. My experience with fine adjustments has been superior to anything even imaginable with the iPhone 4s. I agree that the iPhone offers closer integration between hardware and software but you pay a big price because it is also a jailed system being used to defraud the users at every turn. On another note running an android phone in 4g will drain your battery faster. The iPhone 4s doesn't even have 4g. HTC nearly 5 months ago already sported a 2nd gen of 4g EVOs.
http://fwd4.me/0vI6
Fortunately, anyone seeking longer battery live in a Samsung S2 can purchase one of many Extended 3500mAh Li-Ion Battery + Battery Door Cover for something like $30 USD and get a slightly bulkier phone that will match their 10x faster 4g navigation whims. No such options is available in one of those shiny locked-down handyourwallet iPhone jails.
They are and you know that. Accept it and move on. Demand more respect. Stop being a crybaby. Embrace freedom and open standards. Yes, you pay a slight price for freedom. Maybe you have to decide when you browse using 4g, or whether you want to keep 4g on all day long or only when you want to see a page really fast. Or maybe you want to get more juice for your hardware. Honestly, that should be your decision and not that of some crooked guru looking down on his congregation and interested only in their wallets.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]False! I can choose a handful of benchmarks totally irrelevant to the user where any crappy piece of hardware with an el-cheapo 512 meg of ram can outperform superior hardware. My experience with fine adjustments has been superior to anything even imaginable with the iPhone 4s. [/citation]
Right, so Anandtech's benchmarks for GPU performance were carefully selected to mislead the viewers...
The PowerVR SGX 543MP2 found in the iPhone 4S is, to anyone who knows anything about hardware, faster than any GPU found in any Android phone. Processor wise, the A5 processor significantly outperforms the Android CPU's clock-for-clock (rendering a clock speed comparison irrelevant). It is true that the very top clocked CPU's on Android run marginally faster (
Right, so Anandtech's benchmarks for GPU performance were carefully selected to mislead the viewers...
The PowerVR SGX 543MP2 found in the iPhone 4S is, to anyone who knows anything about hardware, faster than any GPU found in any Android phone. Processor wise, the A5 processor significantly outperforms the Android CPU's clock-for-clock (rendering a clock speed comparison irrelevant). It is true that the very top clocked CPU's on Android run marginally faster (
OK, I wrote a massive reply but the website ate it, so I'll bullet point it:
1 - Everyone knows that the PowerVR SGX 543 in the iPhone 4S is far faster than any Android phone. CPU wise, the iPhone is only marginally slower than the fastest Android CPU's, so overall (CPU/GPU) it is faster.
2 - Most of the world doesn't have 4G.
3 - For the majority of the world without 4G - the HSDPA+ on the iPhone 4S is faster.
4 - You keep ranting about 'locked down' without offering a single practical benefit it offers to the end user.
5 - You rant on about 'open standards' - again without offering a single practical benefit. You also fail to recognise the lawsuits from Samsung and Motorola which tried to ban products based on the open standards of FRAND patents. Samsung are now under investigation for that.
6 - The source code to the previous version of Android wasn't even released. Open?
7 - The iPhone probably has more variety of battery extending cases and accessories than any other phone. Not only has it got significantly better battery to start with (making the additions less necessary) - it also has more options to extend that battery life. Even the more expensive mophie cases can be bought for 30 EUR or less - there are hundreds of cheaper alternatives. Being 'locked down' has no relevance to this whatsoever.
1 - Everyone knows that the PowerVR SGX 543 in the iPhone 4S is far faster than any Android phone. CPU wise, the iPhone is only marginally slower than the fastest Android CPU's, so overall (CPU/GPU) it is faster.
2 - Most of the world doesn't have 4G.
3 - For the majority of the world without 4G - the HSDPA+ on the iPhone 4S is faster.
4 - You keep ranting about 'locked down' without offering a single practical benefit it offers to the end user.
5 - You rant on about 'open standards' - again without offering a single practical benefit. You also fail to recognise the lawsuits from Samsung and Motorola which tried to ban products based on the open standards of FRAND patents. Samsung are now under investigation for that.
6 - The source code to the previous version of Android wasn't even released. Open?
7 - The iPhone probably has more variety of battery extending cases and accessories than any other phone. Not only has it got significantly better battery to start with (making the additions less necessary) - it also has more options to extend that battery life. Even the more expensive mophie cases can be bought for 30 EUR or less - there are hundreds of cheaper alternatives. Being 'locked down' has no relevance to this whatsoever.
8 - 4G isn't even close to 10x faster than the HSDPA+ on the iPhone, which is plenty fast enough to use navigation.
9 - Everybody is 'free' to do exactly what they want on iPhone exactly as they are on Android. The difference is, people are 'free' to use their devices with the latest software as soon as it comes out for at least 2 years, on iOS. Contrast that to Android, where even year old devices don't always get updates, and even now new phones are being released without the latest versions.
9 - Everybody is 'free' to do exactly what they want on iPhone exactly as they are on Android. The difference is, people are 'free' to use their devices with the latest software as soon as it comes out for at least 2 years, on iOS. Contrast that to Android, where even year old devices don't always get updates, and even now new phones are being released without the latest versions.
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[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]The iPhone, as I said, has the fastest CPU/GPU combination. Since the experience of both Android and iOS is graphics accelerated, that means it has the fastest hardware OVERALL. Exactly as I said. Whereas the graphics on the iPhone 4S are more than double the speed of Android phones, the CPU is comparable even against the very fastest CPU's of Android. Don't think that comparing clock speed is a valid comparison. Even at a slight CPU deficit, the iPhone more than makes up for this with its GPU, making it the fastest phone overall on the market. By a significant margin, by the way.
Lets be clear that what I stated was a fact, not an opinion. The average iPhone user is better educated than Android:'iPhone users are wealthier and better-educated than owners of other smartphones - and far above owners of mere dumbphones.'http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/ [...] ne_survey/This fact has nothing to do with anyone feeling 'smug' - and that you interpret in that way is your failing, not mine.
Lets journey back and be clear exactly WHO was trying to make a judgement against someone for liking a particular product:
Now contrast this to my, now clearly evidenced fact:[citation][nom]watcha[/nom2 - The average iPhone users are more educated than Android users.[/citation]Now ask yourself why you chose to ignore the blatant bias, rudeness, opinionated drivel of someone pro Android, and instead chose to accuse a logical, reasoned and evidenced point of doing the same thing?Now THAT is ridiculous, and rude - you hypocrite.[/citation]
Actually you just said fastest phone, not CPU/GPU combo. As far as clock speed, you are making an assumption that i'm stupid as you think i compare cpu's by clock speed which is a pointless number for marketing as instructions per cycle or "per core performance" or performance per watt is a much better comparison.
Just because you read something on the internet about someone voicing an opinion does not make it fact. The iPhone has been seen with more kids than I care to count as it's more of a fad. It was/is cool, it's by the company that makes every kids favorite iPod. Saying someone is "more educated" because they were in a "better" school, or went to college vs just high school, and is somehow more intelligent because of it means nothing. I for one have not went to college and still for a fact, know more than most of those I know, who did.
I was not referring to the other's post when saying you were being bias and rude. That was in regards to you saying you are somehow more intelligent because you are an iPhone user, and that somehow on average others are as well for owning one.
Now, I did not chose to comment on del35's post against you as:
1. It was to YOU and not a collective people or user base (like you did however with your statements) I also don't need to defend someone who clearly thinks he is somehow better than me because he own's an iPhone. (as you have already stated, which it's fact because you provided a link :sarcasm: )
2. I don't have a place getting in arguements not directed towards me as I'm not an iPhone user. (although i have used them but never owned one personally) You however directly targeted me in a general statement to all android users.
Once again I wasn't trying to bring your phone down. Just bringing light to the fact that you are not somehow better, everyone is equal. If you still somehow feel that you are better than everyone please fill me in on how you are better than the 6 billion some people that inhabit the earth.
Lets be clear that what I stated was a fact, not an opinion. The average iPhone user is better educated than Android:'iPhone users are wealthier and better-educated than owners of other smartphones - and far above owners of mere dumbphones.'http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/ [...] ne_survey/This fact has nothing to do with anyone feeling 'smug' - and that you interpret in that way is your failing, not mine.
Lets journey back and be clear exactly WHO was trying to make a judgement against someone for liking a particular product:
Now contrast this to my, now clearly evidenced fact:[citation][nom]watcha[/nom2 - The average iPhone users are more educated than Android users.[/citation]Now ask yourself why you chose to ignore the blatant bias, rudeness, opinionated drivel of someone pro Android, and instead chose to accuse a logical, reasoned and evidenced point of doing the same thing?Now THAT is ridiculous, and rude - you hypocrite.[/citation]
Actually you just said fastest phone, not CPU/GPU combo. As far as clock speed, you are making an assumption that i'm stupid as you think i compare cpu's by clock speed which is a pointless number for marketing as instructions per cycle or "per core performance" or performance per watt is a much better comparison.
Just because you read something on the internet about someone voicing an opinion does not make it fact. The iPhone has been seen with more kids than I care to count as it's more of a fad. It was/is cool, it's by the company that makes every kids favorite iPod. Saying someone is "more educated" because they were in a "better" school, or went to college vs just high school, and is somehow more intelligent because of it means nothing. I for one have not went to college and still for a fact, know more than most of those I know, who did.
I was not referring to the other's post when saying you were being bias and rude. That was in regards to you saying you are somehow more intelligent because you are an iPhone user, and that somehow on average others are as well for owning one.
Now, I did not chose to comment on del35's post against you as:
1. It was to YOU and not a collective people or user base (like you did however with your statements) I also don't need to defend someone who clearly thinks he is somehow better than me because he own's an iPhone. (as you have already stated, which it's fact because you provided a link :sarcasm: )
2. I don't have a place getting in arguements not directed towards me as I'm not an iPhone user. (although i have used them but never owned one personally) You however directly targeted me in a general statement to all android users.
Once again I wasn't trying to bring your phone down. Just bringing light to the fact that you are not somehow better, everyone is equal. If you still somehow feel that you are better than everyone please fill me in on how you are better than the 6 billion some people that inhabit the earth.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]Actually you just said fastest phone, not CPU/GPU combo.[/citation]
[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]there is no phone which has the same CPU/GPU performance as the iPhone 4S out right now[/citation]
.... and what else is there to judge performance on? Since the benchmarks for both include memory? The fastest CPU/GPU on benchmarks IS the fastest.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]As far as clock speed, you are making an assumption that i'm stupid as you think i compare cpu's by clock speed which is a pointless number for marketing as instructions per cycle or "per core performance" or performance per watt is a much better comparison.[/citation]
Again, your insecurity surfaces. I didn't 'assume' anything about you. I stated facts. Don't confuse the two.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
Just because you read something on the internet about someone voicing an opinion does not make it fact. The iPhone has been seen with more kids than I care to count as it's more of a fad. It was/is cool, it's by the company that makes every kids favorite iPod. Saying someone is "more educated" because they were in a "better" school, or went to college vs just high school, and is somehow more intelligent because of it means nothing. I for one have not went to college and still for a fact, know more than most of those I know, who did.[/citation]
1 - It's not an opinion that I linked to. It's a survey. Of over 30,000 people. There have been numerous such studies, all reaching the same conclusions. That DOES make it fact.
2 - Your anecdotal story where YOU believe that YOU are better than people (talk about mistaken smugness?) is just someone's opinion, the exact thing you try to criticise my post of. I may as well tell you that I have a degree from arguably the best university in the world, and own an iPhone, therefore all iPhone users are far, far, more intelligent than you (because I am). But I wont, because (while true) - it would be irrelevant.
3 - If you're trying to suggest there isn't a correlation between education and intelligence, I can happily provide you links to the hundreds of studies which have conclusively linked the two. And again, the claim I made didn't say 'intelligence' anyway - I specifically stated better educated, which holds true regardless of your nonsensical claims about there being no correlation. Again, that you interpreted that wrongly is your own failing, showing your own insecurities.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
I was not referring to the other's post when saying you were being bias and rude. That was in regards to you saying you are somehow more intelligent because you are an iPhone user, and that somehow on average others are as well for owning one.
Now, I did not chose to comment on del35's post against you as: 1. It was to YOU and not a collective people or user base (like you did however with your statements) I also don't need to defend someone who clearly thinks he is somehow better than me because he own's an iPhone. (as you have already stated, which it's fact because you provided a link )2. I don't have a place getting in arguements not directed towards me as I'm not an iPhone user. (although i have used them but never owned one personally) You however directly targeted me in a general statement to all android users.Once again I wasn't trying to bring your phone down. Just bringing light to the fact that you are not somehow better, everyone is equal. If you still somehow feel that you are better than everyone please fill me in on how you are better than the 6 billion some people that inhabit the earth.[/citation]
1 - The fact that you weren't referring to the other rude biased post is exactly my point. That's where you failed to be objective and showed your bias.
2 - The comment from Del was not to me - it specifically referred to all iPhone users. You couldn't have gotten that more wrong if you tried.
3 - Your argument against me was not to judge people based on the phone they own (a false accusation as I have tried, unsuccessfully to educate you of). This is the exact thing the post from Del did, meaning you should have taken exception to it far more than my post (which simply stated FACTS).
4 - I haven't said anything about me being better. Again, that you think I did shows your own insecurity. It remains a fact that iPhone users are, on average, better educated than Android users. That will remain a fact no matter how long you continue this massive rant of 'YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME WAA WAA' - get a grip you complete fool.
Now, as it happens, based on your complete failure to grasp logic, obvious massive insecurity, and failure of objectivity in attacking someone who is presenting facts, I DO think you're a moron.
[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]there is no phone which has the same CPU/GPU performance as the iPhone 4S out right now[/citation]
.... and what else is there to judge performance on? Since the benchmarks for both include memory? The fastest CPU/GPU on benchmarks IS the fastest.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]As far as clock speed, you are making an assumption that i'm stupid as you think i compare cpu's by clock speed which is a pointless number for marketing as instructions per cycle or "per core performance" or performance per watt is a much better comparison.[/citation]
Again, your insecurity surfaces. I didn't 'assume' anything about you. I stated facts. Don't confuse the two.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
Just because you read something on the internet about someone voicing an opinion does not make it fact. The iPhone has been seen with more kids than I care to count as it's more of a fad. It was/is cool, it's by the company that makes every kids favorite iPod. Saying someone is "more educated" because they were in a "better" school, or went to college vs just high school, and is somehow more intelligent because of it means nothing. I for one have not went to college and still for a fact, know more than most of those I know, who did.[/citation]
1 - It's not an opinion that I linked to. It's a survey. Of over 30,000 people. There have been numerous such studies, all reaching the same conclusions. That DOES make it fact.
2 - Your anecdotal story where YOU believe that YOU are better than people (talk about mistaken smugness?) is just someone's opinion, the exact thing you try to criticise my post of. I may as well tell you that I have a degree from arguably the best university in the world, and own an iPhone, therefore all iPhone users are far, far, more intelligent than you (because I am). But I wont, because (while true) - it would be irrelevant.
3 - If you're trying to suggest there isn't a correlation between education and intelligence, I can happily provide you links to the hundreds of studies which have conclusively linked the two. And again, the claim I made didn't say 'intelligence' anyway - I specifically stated better educated, which holds true regardless of your nonsensical claims about there being no correlation. Again, that you interpreted that wrongly is your own failing, showing your own insecurities.
[citation][nom]omega21xx[/nom]
I was not referring to the other's post when saying you were being bias and rude. That was in regards to you saying you are somehow more intelligent because you are an iPhone user, and that somehow on average others are as well for owning one.
Now, I did not chose to comment on del35's post against you as: 1. It was to YOU and not a collective people or user base (like you did however with your statements) I also don't need to defend someone who clearly thinks he is somehow better than me because he own's an iPhone. (as you have already stated, which it's fact because you provided a link )2. I don't have a place getting in arguements not directed towards me as I'm not an iPhone user. (although i have used them but never owned one personally) You however directly targeted me in a general statement to all android users.Once again I wasn't trying to bring your phone down. Just bringing light to the fact that you are not somehow better, everyone is equal. If you still somehow feel that you are better than everyone please fill me in on how you are better than the 6 billion some people that inhabit the earth.[/citation]
1 - The fact that you weren't referring to the other rude biased post is exactly my point. That's where you failed to be objective and showed your bias.
2 - The comment from Del was not to me - it specifically referred to all iPhone users. You couldn't have gotten that more wrong if you tried.
3 - Your argument against me was not to judge people based on the phone they own (a false accusation as I have tried, unsuccessfully to educate you of). This is the exact thing the post from Del did, meaning you should have taken exception to it far more than my post (which simply stated FACTS).
4 - I haven't said anything about me being better. Again, that you think I did shows your own insecurity. It remains a fact that iPhone users are, on average, better educated than Android users. That will remain a fact no matter how long you continue this massive rant of 'YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME WAA WAA' - get a grip you complete fool.
Now, as it happens, based on your complete failure to grasp logic, obvious massive insecurity, and failure of objectivity in attacking someone who is presenting facts, I DO think you're a moron.
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On average in 19th century America the better educated Southerners had salves since they were wealthier. Does that make owning slaves good?
On average better educated people pollute more than less educated ones since they consume more. Does that mean pollution is good?
On average better educated people are more likely to be banksters. Does that mean being a bansksters is good?
In America on average better educated people tend to consume more beef products because it is more expensive than chicken and better educated people in general have better salaries. Does that mean that eating beef is better for you?
Honestly fanboys, come to your senses. Let me also add that after spending time with really brilliant technology students, I am *not of the opinion* that they choose iPhones over Androids. What seems to be the tendency is that sporting Apple logos is on average synonymous with being frivolous clueless and wishywashy. I once cited an informal statistic presented to me by one of my friends who teaches at one of Americas top colleges. According to him he observed that students that used Apple devices were more likely to do poorly in math classes, especially men. His observation could have been confounded by the fact that iCrappies are usually just trying to be cool at any cost, and choose Apple in response to the billions and billions of dollars that Apple, after collecting an almost endless cash flow from its happygolucky fans, spends on bestowing its clueless congregation of zombies with a sense of coolness and embolden
"till-death-do-us-apart" brand loyalty.
On average better educated people pollute more than less educated ones since they consume more. Does that mean pollution is good?
On average better educated people are more likely to be banksters. Does that mean being a bansksters is good?
In America on average better educated people tend to consume more beef products because it is more expensive than chicken and better educated people in general have better salaries. Does that mean that eating beef is better for you?
Honestly fanboys, come to your senses. Let me also add that after spending time with really brilliant technology students, I am *not of the opinion* that they choose iPhones over Androids. What seems to be the tendency is that sporting Apple logos is on average synonymous with being frivolous clueless and wishywashy. I once cited an informal statistic presented to me by one of my friends who teaches at one of Americas top colleges. According to him he observed that students that used Apple devices were more likely to do poorly in math classes, especially men. His observation could have been confounded by the fact that iCrappies are usually just trying to be cool at any cost, and choose Apple in response to the billions and billions of dollars that Apple, after collecting an almost endless cash flow from its happygolucky fans, spends on bestowing its clueless congregation of zombies with a sense of coolness and embolden
"till-death-do-us-apart" brand loyalty.
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Can you drag and drop your MP3 collection from your PC to your iPhone without using iTunes? Just asking. This feature matters a lot to me.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]On average in 19th century America the better educated Southerners had salves since they were wealthier. Does that make owning slaves good?[/citation]
If your argument therefore that education isn't good? I didn't think that would be in question, but then maybe I overestimated you.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
On average better educated people pollute more than less educated ones since they consume more. Does that mean pollution is good?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who pollutes a lot, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
On average better educated people are more likely to be banksters. Does that mean being a bansksters is good?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who is a banker, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
In America on average better educated people tend to consume more beef products because it is more expensive than chicken and better educated people in general have better salaries. Does that mean that eating beef is better for you?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who eats a lot of beef, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
You clearly miss the point in all of this. Take all of your examples. What YOU'RE doing is saying, THAT PERSON EATS BEEF, THEY MUST BE LESS EDUCATED. Clearly wrong. You're lack of intelligence means that you haven't grasped that a correlation exists regardless of whether the item there is a correlation with is desirable or not.
In other words, (to dumb it down for you) - whether owning an iPhone is 'good' (like not polluting) or 'bad' (like not polluting) in your opinion, is irrelevant. It is STILL TRUE that people who own iPhones are, on average better educated.
Now, where I come from being better educated is a good thing...
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
Honestly fanboys, come to your senses. Let me also add that after spending time with really brilliant technology students, I am *not of the opinion* that they choose iPhones over Androids.[/citation]
Your opinion is of little to no relevance. The studies don't lie. I could tell you my own story about my own university (a worldwide top institution) where most people chose iPhones. Equally irrelevant. The studies are impartial.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
What seems to be the tendency is that sporting Apple logos is on average synonymous with being frivolous clueless and wishywashy. I once cited an informal statistic presented to me by one of my friends who teaches at one of Americas top colleges. According to him he observed that students that used Apple devices were more likely to do poorly in math classes, especially men. His observation could have been confounded by the fact that iCrappies are usually just trying to be cool at any cost, and choose Apple in response to the billions and billions of dollars that Apple, after collecting an almost endless cash flow from its happygolucky fans, spends on bestowing its clueless congregation of zombies with a sense of coolness and embolden "till-death-do-us-apart" brand loyalty.[/citation]
This is all one big made up story which means nothing when faced with the overwhelming body of evidence proving otherwise. You're essentially trying to tell a story to disprove a survey of thousands.
If your argument therefore that education isn't good? I didn't think that would be in question, but then maybe I overestimated you.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
On average better educated people pollute more than less educated ones since they consume more. Does that mean pollution is good?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who pollutes a lot, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
On average better educated people are more likely to be banksters. Does that mean being a bansksters is good?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who is a banker, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
In America on average better educated people tend to consume more beef products because it is more expensive than chicken and better educated people in general have better salaries. Does that mean that eating beef is better for you?[/citation]
What it does mean, is that if you find someone who eats a lot of beef, they are, on average, likely to be better educated. Which IS good.
You clearly miss the point in all of this. Take all of your examples. What YOU'RE doing is saying, THAT PERSON EATS BEEF, THEY MUST BE LESS EDUCATED. Clearly wrong. You're lack of intelligence means that you haven't grasped that a correlation exists regardless of whether the item there is a correlation with is desirable or not.
In other words, (to dumb it down for you) - whether owning an iPhone is 'good' (like not polluting) or 'bad' (like not polluting) in your opinion, is irrelevant. It is STILL TRUE that people who own iPhones are, on average better educated.
Now, where I come from being better educated is a good thing...
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
Honestly fanboys, come to your senses. Let me also add that after spending time with really brilliant technology students, I am *not of the opinion* that they choose iPhones over Androids.[/citation]
Your opinion is of little to no relevance. The studies don't lie. I could tell you my own story about my own university (a worldwide top institution) where most people chose iPhones. Equally irrelevant. The studies are impartial.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]
What seems to be the tendency is that sporting Apple logos is on average synonymous with being frivolous clueless and wishywashy. I once cited an informal statistic presented to me by one of my friends who teaches at one of Americas top colleges. According to him he observed that students that used Apple devices were more likely to do poorly in math classes, especially men. His observation could have been confounded by the fact that iCrappies are usually just trying to be cool at any cost, and choose Apple in response to the billions and billions of dollars that Apple, after collecting an almost endless cash flow from its happygolucky fans, spends on bestowing its clueless congregation of zombies with a sense of coolness and embolden "till-death-do-us-apart" brand loyalty.[/citation]
This is all one big made up story which means nothing when faced with the overwhelming body of evidence proving otherwise. You're essentially trying to tell a story to disprove a survey of thousands.
[citation][nom]frankbough[/nom]Can you drag and drop your MP3 collection from your PC to your iPhone without using iTunes? Just asking. This feature matters a lot to me.[/citation]
Yes, you can. You can even do it wirelessly.
You could do this even on iPods from years and years ago.
Yes, you can. You can even do it wirelessly.
You could do this even on iPods from years and years ago.
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I agree with that, but that is no reason for me to embrace the minuscule iPhone 4s screen and jump into a drm infested handyourwallet iPhone jail that cant even run 4g. Any advantages earned with the GPU are more than lost in numerous other ways.... Sorry but I want micromanage my devices and choose what and how I run them. I also want a big screen so that I don't have to read from my tablet when commuting or when on the thread-mil . Reading from the iPhone 4s tiny screen is painful, too painful.
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]I agree with that, but that is no reason for me to embrace the minuscule iPhone 4s screen and jump into a drm infested handyourwallet iPhone jail that cant even run 4g. Any advantages earned with the GPU are more than lost in numerous other ways.... Sorry but I want micromanage my devices and choose what and how I run them. I also want a big screen so that I don't have to read from my tablet when commuting or when on the thread-mil . Reading from the iPhone 4s tiny screen is painful, too painful.[/citation]
Again, Del35 - you miss the points being made entirely.
This wasn't even a discussion on whether to buy iPhone 4S or Android phones. It was a statement of fact that the iPhone 4S has the fastest CPU/GPU, because you tried to say that anybody who bought the iPhone 4S hadn't done their technical homework. The fact is, hardware wise, the iPhone 4S is the fastest overall (CPU/GPU).
Once again, you said 'DRM' - I don't know how many times you have to be told that there is NO DRM on iPhones. Try reading that a few times.
Again, you have not given any advantage to an 'open' operating system with even just one practical benefit. You keep saying 'locked down' like it means anything, at all. It doesn't.
And regarding screen size, some people prefer a screen they can reach all sides of using just one hand - and isn't a brick in their pocket. It's also higher resolution than the larger SG2 screen.
Peoples personal preference on phone size, however, is completely irrelevant - they vote with their money - the iPhone 4S is the best selling phone of all time. Again, though, this is irrelevant, since the FACT being put forward to you was that the iPhone 4S has the fastest CPU/GPU. Given it doesn't command much of a price premium over Android, and given that iOS can do absolutely anything Android can, plus lots more (where apps for Android aren't out yet) - your 'technical homework' argument becomes completely invalidated.
Again, Del35 - you miss the points being made entirely.
This wasn't even a discussion on whether to buy iPhone 4S or Android phones. It was a statement of fact that the iPhone 4S has the fastest CPU/GPU, because you tried to say that anybody who bought the iPhone 4S hadn't done their technical homework. The fact is, hardware wise, the iPhone 4S is the fastest overall (CPU/GPU).
Once again, you said 'DRM' - I don't know how many times you have to be told that there is NO DRM on iPhones. Try reading that a few times.
Again, you have not given any advantage to an 'open' operating system with even just one practical benefit. You keep saying 'locked down' like it means anything, at all. It doesn't.
And regarding screen size, some people prefer a screen they can reach all sides of using just one hand - and isn't a brick in their pocket. It's also higher resolution than the larger SG2 screen.
Peoples personal preference on phone size, however, is completely irrelevant - they vote with their money - the iPhone 4S is the best selling phone of all time. Again, though, this is irrelevant, since the FACT being put forward to you was that the iPhone 4S has the fastest CPU/GPU. Given it doesn't command much of a price premium over Android, and given that iOS can do absolutely anything Android can, plus lots more (where apps for Android aren't out yet) - your 'technical homework' argument becomes completely invalidated.
What is with all these comments about droping the thing? If you are that careless and clumsy you cant hold a small phone without droping it then perhaps you should by a $10 tracphone from wal-mart and call it a day.
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[citation][nom]watcha[/nom].... and what else is there to judge performance on? Since the benchmarks for both include memory? The fastest CPU/GPU on benchmarks IS the fastest.
Again, your insecurity surfaces. I didn't 'assume' anything about you. I stated facts. Don't confuse the two.
1 - It's not an opinion that I linked to. It's a survey. Of over 30,000 people. There have been numerous such studies, all reaching the same conclusions. That DOES make it fact.2 - Your anecdotal story where YOU believe that YOU are better than people (talk about mistaken smugness?) is just someone's opinion, the exact thing you try to criticise my post of. I may as well tell you that I have a degree from arguably the best university in the world, and own an iPhone, therefore all iPhone users are far, far, more intelligent than you (because I am). But I wont, because (while true) - it would be irrelevant.3 - If you're trying to suggest there isn't a correlation between education and intelligence, I can happily provide you links to the hundreds of studies which have conclusively linked the two. And again, the claim I made didn't say 'intelligence' anyway - I specifically stated better educated, which holds true regardless of your nonsensical claims about there being no correlation. Again, that you interpreted that wrongly is your own failing, showing your own insecurities.
1 - The fact that you weren't referring to the other rude biased post is exactly my point. That's where you failed to be objective and showed your bias.2 - The comment from Del was not to me - it specifically referred to all iPhone users. You couldn't have gotten that more wrong if you tried.3 - Your argument against me was not to judge people based on the phone they own (a false accusation as I have tried, unsuccessfully to educate you of). This is the exact thing the post from Del did, meaning you should have taken exception to it far more than my post (which simply stated FACTS).4 - I haven't said anything about me being better. Again, that you think I did shows your own insecurity. It remains a fact that iPhone users are, on average, better educated than Android users. That will remain a fact no matter how long you continue this massive rant of 'YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME WAA WAA' - get a grip you complete fool.Now, as it happens, based on your complete failure to grasp logic, obvious massive insecurity, and failure of objectivity in attacking someone who is presenting facts, I DO think you're a moron.[/citation]
The qoute you provided, was after i had already posted, so it's not logical to say "no i said this" and show a qoute of a later comment.
I mentioned GPU in a different note as it is currently the fastest on the market, but CPU and GPU are two different things and my comment only pointed to CPU.
By you assuming that I compare based on clock speed is one in the same as saying I am uninformed or like I said, stupid. It has nothing to do with insecurity.
1. Since when do surveys make things fact? Yes, maybe that survey is factual based on the provided groups used. That however does not make it true for the whole user base of both platforms.
2. You can't assume it's opinion because you don't know the full story. Yes if I were just saying that i'm more intelligent than others I know that did go to college just out of my own opinion, but it's based on tests, IQ, experience, and largely being able to solve the same problem/question faster or more accurately than them, even if they majored in the subject. This however is pointless to explain. I should however point out, that you did just now, point out how you feel you are better than others.
3. Please explain how someone book feeding you information is better than just teaching oneself? Being educated is always linked to going to college, however people are completely capable of educating themselves. In most cases faster or better as they can learn at their pace and not that of the class.
1. Like I said, their comments against you or the Apple users has nothing to do with me, and I can't comment from a neutral point as that would mean I would be siding with you or him. Neither of which I was doing.
2. It was directed toward you as he was calling you in general out on those statements, also like I said, I have no place saying otherwise as I don't own an iPhone, if i were to defend you without owning one, would that not make me bias or purely not out of experience for the claims provided?
3. Sorry, apparently I misunderstood you. You so strongly believe that a survey makes this fact, that you imply others are lower than you unintentionally.
4. You, within the same post, have already stated that you are better than me, which is largely not fact. Implying, saying, or otherwise, that you are better than anyone is you being smug, arrogant, and cocky beyond your worth.
Your opinion on me is pointless. How you feel can't be changed, nor do I have any care to change it. However, your posts largely point to you being a troll by definition. (Someone that comments/posts/replies with the sole intent to get an emotional rise out of someone) Sadly you have not gotten anything out of this except the fact that you are no better than anyone, of which you probably will never accept. I should have just ignored you since you were largely claimed to be, on here at least, "the overly ignorant Apple user that only believes they are correct on every subject and won't believe anything otherwise unless it's in their favor."
Thanks for falling true to the claims others make of you as it means I don't have any reason to converse with you.
Again, your insecurity surfaces. I didn't 'assume' anything about you. I stated facts. Don't confuse the two.
1 - It's not an opinion that I linked to. It's a survey. Of over 30,000 people. There have been numerous such studies, all reaching the same conclusions. That DOES make it fact.2 - Your anecdotal story where YOU believe that YOU are better than people (talk about mistaken smugness?) is just someone's opinion, the exact thing you try to criticise my post of. I may as well tell you that I have a degree from arguably the best university in the world, and own an iPhone, therefore all iPhone users are far, far, more intelligent than you (because I am). But I wont, because (while true) - it would be irrelevant.3 - If you're trying to suggest there isn't a correlation between education and intelligence, I can happily provide you links to the hundreds of studies which have conclusively linked the two. And again, the claim I made didn't say 'intelligence' anyway - I specifically stated better educated, which holds true regardless of your nonsensical claims about there being no correlation. Again, that you interpreted that wrongly is your own failing, showing your own insecurities.
1 - The fact that you weren't referring to the other rude biased post is exactly my point. That's where you failed to be objective and showed your bias.2 - The comment from Del was not to me - it specifically referred to all iPhone users. You couldn't have gotten that more wrong if you tried.3 - Your argument against me was not to judge people based on the phone they own (a false accusation as I have tried, unsuccessfully to educate you of). This is the exact thing the post from Del did, meaning you should have taken exception to it far more than my post (which simply stated FACTS).4 - I haven't said anything about me being better. Again, that you think I did shows your own insecurity. It remains a fact that iPhone users are, on average, better educated than Android users. That will remain a fact no matter how long you continue this massive rant of 'YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME WAA WAA' - get a grip you complete fool.Now, as it happens, based on your complete failure to grasp logic, obvious massive insecurity, and failure of objectivity in attacking someone who is presenting facts, I DO think you're a moron.[/citation]
The qoute you provided, was after i had already posted, so it's not logical to say "no i said this" and show a qoute of a later comment.
I mentioned GPU in a different note as it is currently the fastest on the market, but CPU and GPU are two different things and my comment only pointed to CPU.
By you assuming that I compare based on clock speed is one in the same as saying I am uninformed or like I said, stupid. It has nothing to do with insecurity.
1. Since when do surveys make things fact? Yes, maybe that survey is factual based on the provided groups used. That however does not make it true for the whole user base of both platforms.
2. You can't assume it's opinion because you don't know the full story. Yes if I were just saying that i'm more intelligent than others I know that did go to college just out of my own opinion, but it's based on tests, IQ, experience, and largely being able to solve the same problem/question faster or more accurately than them, even if they majored in the subject. This however is pointless to explain. I should however point out, that you did just now, point out how you feel you are better than others.
3. Please explain how someone book feeding you information is better than just teaching oneself? Being educated is always linked to going to college, however people are completely capable of educating themselves. In most cases faster or better as they can learn at their pace and not that of the class.
1. Like I said, their comments against you or the Apple users has nothing to do with me, and I can't comment from a neutral point as that would mean I would be siding with you or him. Neither of which I was doing.
2. It was directed toward you as he was calling you in general out on those statements, also like I said, I have no place saying otherwise as I don't own an iPhone, if i were to defend you without owning one, would that not make me bias or purely not out of experience for the claims provided?
3. Sorry, apparently I misunderstood you. You so strongly believe that a survey makes this fact, that you imply others are lower than you unintentionally.
4. You, within the same post, have already stated that you are better than me, which is largely not fact. Implying, saying, or otherwise, that you are better than anyone is you being smug, arrogant, and cocky beyond your worth.
Your opinion on me is pointless. How you feel can't be changed, nor do I have any care to change it. However, your posts largely point to you being a troll by definition. (Someone that comments/posts/replies with the sole intent to get an emotional rise out of someone) Sadly you have not gotten anything out of this except the fact that you are no better than anyone, of which you probably will never accept. I should have just ignored you since you were largely claimed to be, on here at least, "the overly ignorant Apple user that only believes they are correct on every subject and won't believe anything otherwise unless it's in their favor."
Thanks for falling true to the claims others make of you as it means I don't have any reason to converse with you.
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