Shoppers Hoarding Incandescent Lightbulbs

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dark_lord69

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"For one, they contain mercury which could be problematic at time of disposal. The immediate concern, however, seems to be the energy savings."

Mercury.. sigh.. We may save energy but how many of these will be disposed of improperly? We are just trading 1 form of pollution for another.
 

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[citation][nom]Majine[/nom]crazy how people refuse to adapt or change...[/citation]
It's not about not adapting to change...it's about how CFLs give me headaches and have been proven to cause what is called winter depression, not mention that if one breaks in your house you are, by law, supposed to call the local fire department and poison control center to decontaminate your house and force you to go to a doctor for mercury gas poisoning.
 

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Other than some appliance bulbs, the touch lamps by the beds are the only incandescents I have left in my house. Since those are rarely at full brightness, I've also only had to replace one of those in over five years. I'm hoping cost-effective LED replacements come along for those.
FYI, in the USA, Home Depot now accepts CFLs for recycling.
 
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I prefer CFL bulbs because I don't like incandescent light. CFL light is closer to sunlight, and even those 'full spectrum' incandescent bulbs can't match them. Plus CFL's use less electricity. The only real downside is I have to drive 30 minutes away if I decide to recycle them.

As for flickering, toxic fumes, etc., I haven't experienced any of that - even with the discount brands - and I'm sensitive to that stuff, too. A CRT at 60Hz or strange fumes/smells will give me a headache in a matter of minutes.
 

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[citation][nom]amnotanoobie[/nom]Unfortunately this attitude is what got us into this "climate change" problem. I don't know about you but I am noticing the massive change in rain patterns where I live. Two years ago by October through February rains rarely hit where I live, now it's an all year thing. Also the hot days are now really really hot.[/citation]

While I'm a firm believer in the global climate issue, your counterpoint is flawed. You can't point at a single year and hold that up as irrefutable evidence of the crisis at hand. Two years ago we had X happen in a five month period and now Y is occurring this year, therefore it must be due to global warming. We've had some of the slowest years on record, regarding hurricanes here in S Fl (not that I'm complaining) and some unbearably hot (but not record breaking) days. Yet 4 years back, we had two of the most active years in history. Your opinion may be that the weather patterns, where ever you are, are off kilter due to global warming. Until there's a steady, recognizable pattern you can't reliably state that opinion as fact. Unfortunately, by the time that pattern can be verified, it will be a bit too late.

These changes occur naturally, species die out all the time if they're not suited to their environment. Is man helping this occur faster? Undoubtedly. Would it still occur without us pushing it forward? Undoubtedly.
 

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[citation][nom]Majine[/nom]crazy how people refuse to adapt or change...[/citation]

People are short sighted. A normal light bulb is easy to manufacture and requires less natural resources, therefore pollutes way less. The new low energy light bulbs, CFL's or whatever, use mercury, need more energy to be created and more resources, therefore the manufacturing for them pollutes more.

When trying to save the planet, you need to look at each product from where it's taking resources to when you dispose of it, NOT just from the moment you buy it.
 

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What have we come to... We complain about light bulbs that could give headaches... The planet is eating up people! soon we will be trading headaches for heat strokes. And about the polution, because the planet is heating up we will be using more AC's. Now, which is worste, light bulbs in a land fill, or used AC's? come on people, let's do our part.
 

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I'm all for CFL's, if they didn't have the flaws they have.

A. It's difficult for me to find a 'warm' CFL. Most give off a cold temperature light, which isn't as comforting in the evening.

B. Like others have said, they don't dim. I was told by an electrician that there are "dimable" CFL's, but he said when they start to get real dim they piddle out (he went on with the technical mumbo jumbo as to why..)

C. They can flicker. I have one next to my pc in a lamp and it will occasionally give a slight strobe affect.

Bleh. My kitchen and living room are on dimmers. I want warm, dimable, non-strobe light!
 

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Ignore my above comment; apparently the comment system here is borked, and typing the 'less-than' symbol breaks your comment. Here's the entire thing, edited:

Yeah, this is another bit of regulation that I personally find rather silly. I personally don't feel that climate change is drastic enough to warrant this equally-drastic ban; it's basically like using a whole can of spray to kill a single ant; sure, the ant's gone, but you've done untold damage elsewhere.

I do agree that CFLs are generally superior lamps; MODERN, non-crappy lamps lack the flicker problem, and still light up in a short enough time that a typical human can't perceive the difference. (less than 250 ms) They DO save a bit of energy, but typically not a huge amount; you're only talking around half as much or so consumed for the light produced.

Some people do have issues, at least in getting used to the different spectrum that flourescents of all types produce; incandescents have a very smoothed curve with a heavy bias in the red/infrared (IR release is a major reason they're less efficient than FL) compared to a much narrower, sharper range with some spikes in the green area. CFLs produce what generally better mimics the sun's spectrum in the visible range, (where the sun likewise is strongest in green) but given the low power, it seems unnaturally to most humans; the red-biased incandescents seem more natural for the dimmer lighting we get from lamps as opposed to the sun.

All told, I don't think that a blanket ban is the right idea. Personally, I favor CFLs, but their strongest point is the one most-oft overlooked: they don't burn out every couple months. You won't really see a CFL readily pay for itself in energy bills, (lights tend to be a tiny fraction of one's electricity consumption) but pretty much anyone WILL see them soon pay for themselves simply by that you won't have to replace them for a few years, saving not just the money of buying more lamps, but also the time and effort to change out the lamps.
 

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I have been 100% CF for quite awhile now and am very pleased with them. They last far longer and, more important to me, they don't get hot. My computer desk area is much much cooler than it was when my desk lamp had incandescent. Even better, if you have a socket that says "60W Maximum", that does NOT mean that the biggest CF you can use is a 60W-equivalent. Because their heat output - the reason for the wattage restriction - is so low, you can put a much much "bigger" CF bulb in its place without overheating the fixture.

 

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If you get headaches around your computer with a CF, make sure your monitor isn't refreshing at 60Hz - raise it to 70 or 85 so that the bulb and the screen aren't synchronized.
 

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LOL @ the whiners who think CF bulbs are toxic. For your information, a single dental filling has about 50 times the mercury as a single CF bulb. How many fillings do you have in your mouth, right now? OH NO!!! GET THEM OUT!!! OH GOD THE MERCURY!!!
 

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BS! The CFL in the USA and in the UK contain mercury because there's no regulation against it. I've lived in Paris for 8 years and always bought CFL bulbs with NO mercury or any other toxic compound in it because I DID have choice.
 

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[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Sigh. Government interfering with more things that would eventually be sorted out by normal free market practices.[/citation]
BS and propaganda! The free market prefers to make and sell mercury based light bulbs because they're cheaper to make and generate more profit. They'd put mercury in your food if it meant more profit for them. Doh!
 

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I agree with AdamB5000, it's hard to find a warm CFL. I just hate that white-bluish light from cold CFLs, my house is not an office, I want my light to be, well, yellow/golden/sunlike!
 

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I'll ask anyone who believes in man-made global warming to answer me this one simple question. What caused the ice age and why did it melt away?

Can't tell me if it is going to rain tomorrow but I'm supposed to believe in "end of the earth" predictions based on a dozen years of the earth very very slightly heating? Okay then.
 

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[citation][nom]svdb[/nom]BS and propaganda! The free market prefers to make and sell mercury based light bulbs because they're cheaper to make and generate more profit. They'd put mercury in your food if it meant more profit for them. Doh![/citation]

And when people stopped buying their food because of the Mercury they would stop putting it in there. That's how the free market works! Why the hell should I be forced to buy a more expensive light bulb on the grounds that it is "more environmentally friendly." I don't give a damn. If at some point I decide I don't want mercury in my bulbs I'll stop buying them and if enough people make the same decision then guess what they will stop putting mercury in the bulbs!
 

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[citation][nom]montezuma[/nom]When will people realize that carbon dioxide emissions will do nothing to hurt the environment? When will some of the idiots in the world realize that people behind this "green" bullshit are only looking to make a quick buck? Climate change is utter bullshit, but people are too stupid to understand this fact.Sure, I am all for saving energy and reducing waste; it will cut down on the money I spend. Past that, I could care less. You have got to love the "snake oil salesmen".[/citation]
Have you heard of the hole in the ozone layer? Do you know how that was caused and what the effects are in the environment? I suppose you think that's a naturally occurring phenomena but it was humans that caused it. Shocking I know.
 
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