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I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan with a
32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been using with a GSM
Nation plan. After reading some things in this newsgroup about the 64k SIM
being more desirable I was wondering if it was necessary for the GAIT phone
to have a 64k SIM to fully cover all the new AT&T towers that have been
added to Cingular's coverage. Any answers? Thanks

Ben
 
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In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
"Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:

> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan with a
> 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been using with a GSM
> Nation plan. After reading some things in this newsgroup about the 64k SIM
> being more desirable I was wondering if it was necessary for the GAIT phone
> to have a 64k SIM to fully cover all the new AT&T towers that have been
> added to Cingular's coverage. Any answers? Thanks

Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to give
you one, rather than charge you $20
 
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In <jzwick3-0A8432.10433614122004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Tue, 14 Dec
2004 16:44:51 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>
>> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan with a
>> 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been using with a GSM
>> Nation plan. After reading some things in this newsgroup about the 64k SIM
>> being more desirable I was wondering if it was necessary for the GAIT phone
>> to have a 64k SIM to fully cover all the new AT&T towers that have been
>> added to Cingular's coverage. Any answers? Thanks
>
>Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to give
>you one, rather than charge you $20

Actually no -- a standard GAIT SIM will roam on both networks.

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Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>
>> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan
>> with a 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been
>> using with a GSM Nation plan. After reading some things in this
>> newsgroup about the 64k SIM being more desirable I was wondering if
>> it was necessary for the GAIT phone to have a 64k SIM to fully cover
>> all the new AT&T towers that have been added to Cingular's coverage.
>> Any answers? Thanks
>
> Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to
> give you one, rather than charge you $20

Is there an easy way to determine whether one has a 32k or 64k sim?


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In <khFvd.32659$Rf1.24997@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> on Tue, 14 Dec 2004
17:20:16 GMT, "Bill" <spamawayt@spamhere.not> wrote:

>Jack Zwick wrote:
>> In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
>> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan
>>> with a 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been
>>> using with a GSM Nation plan. After reading some things in this
>>> newsgroup about the 64k SIM being more desirable I was wondering if
>>> it was necessary for the GAIT phone to have a 64k SIM to fully cover
>>> all the new AT&T towers that have been added to Cingular's coverage.
>>> Any answers? Thanks
>>
>> Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to
>> give you one, rather than charge you $20
>
>Is there an easy way to determine whether one has a 32k or 64k sim?

It's printed right on the SIM.

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In article <khFvd.32659$Rf1.24997@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"Bill" <spamawayt@spamhere.not> wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
> > "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan
> >> with a 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been
> >> using with a GSM Nation plan. After reading some things in this
> >> newsgroup about the 64k SIM being more desirable I was wondering if
> >> it was necessary for the GAIT phone to have a 64k SIM to fully cover
> >> all the new AT&T towers that have been added to Cingular's coverage.
> >> Any answers? Thanks
> >
> > Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to
> > give you one, rather than charge you $20
>
> Is there an easy way to determine whether one has a 32k or 64k sim?
>
>
> Bill

Open your phone and look at the Sim, it will be appropriately labeled.
 
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> In <jzwick3-0A8432.10433614122004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Tue, 14 Dec
> 2004 16:44:51 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <1103005178.28bfaabe02b127fd1ed14b39556a5d26@teranews>,
>> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Sony T62u GAIT phone and I got it activated on a GAIT plan with
>>> a
>>> 32k SIM that was in my Sony T616 that I had previously been using with a
>>> GSM
>>> Nation plan. After reading some things in this newsgroup about the 64k
>>> SIM
>>> being more desirable I was wondering if it was necessary for the GAIT
>>> phone
>>> to have a 64k SIM to fully cover all the new AT&T towers that have been
>>> added to Cingular's coverage. Any answers? Thanks
>>
>>Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to give
>>you one, rather than charge you $20
>
> Actually no -- a standard GAIT SIM will roam on both networks.

As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then why
does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?

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In <1103150241.5a3e624e9318607f16b703985820659c@teranews> on Wed, 15 Dec 2004
16:37:23 -0600, "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:

>As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
>phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then why
>does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?

It's needed for ENS, which treats both networks as one big virtual network,
rather than a Home network and a roaming network, which can give better
performance where a Home network signal that's weak but still "usable" would
otherwise prevent roaming on a better signal.

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> In <1103150241.5a3e624e9318607f16b703985820659c@teranews> on Wed, 15 Dec
> 2004
> 16:37:23 -0600, "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>
>>As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
>>phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then
>>why
>>does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?
>
> It's needed for ENS, which treats both networks as one big virtual
> network,
> rather than a Home network and a roaming network, which can give better
> performance where a Home network signal that's weak but still "usable"
> would
> otherwise prevent roaming on a better signal.

So having a 64k chip would be advantageous for my T62u to give it the best
possible signal strength at all times?

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In <1103159989.1f571020f0cda106966ade553b796463@teranews> on Wed, 15 Dec 2004
19:19:52 -0600, "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:qr3wd.12297$_3.136138@typhoon.sonic.net...
>>
>> In <1103150241.5a3e624e9318607f16b703985820659c@teranews> on Wed, 15 Dec
>> 2004
>> 16:37:23 -0600, "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>>
>>>As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
>>>phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then
>>>why
>>>does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?
>>
>> It's needed for ENS, which treats both networks as one big virtual
>> network,
>> rather than a Home network and a roaming network, which can give better
>> performance where a Home network signal that's weak but still "usable"
>> would
>> otherwise prevent roaming on a better signal.
>
>So having a 64k chip would be advantageous for my T62u to give it the best
>possible signal strength at all times?

No, it only matters if the phone supports ENS.

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In article <1103150241.5a3e624e9318607f16b703985820659c@teranews>,
"Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:

> >>Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to give
> >>you one, rather than charge you $20
> >
> > Actually no -- a standard GAIT SIM will roam on both networks.
>
> As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
> phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then why
> does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?

Cause it now has more to keep track of the Cingular Netowrk, and the
AT&T Wireless Network.
 
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In article <1103159989.1f571020f0cda106966ade553b796463@teranews>,
"Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:

> So having a 64k chip would be advantageous for my T62u to give it the best
> possible signal strength at all times?

Yes. Its very helpful in some areas, makes little or no difference in
other areas, but Cingular wont ever tell you the truth, cause if they
tell you you should have it, then you might (rightly) expect it for
free, and they'd rather sell it to you for $20.
 
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:10:16 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>Yes. Its very helpful in some areas, makes little or no difference in
>other areas, but Cingular wont ever tell you the truth, cause if they
>tell you you should have it, then you might (rightly) expect it for
>free, and they'd rather sell it to you for $20.

I don't know what company stores are doing, Jack, but I put 64k SIMS
in all the cingular phones I sell. If I need one in my store I can't
give my customers less.
 
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In <jzwick3-57EE57.20101015122004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 16 Dec
2004 02:10:16 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <1103159989.1f571020f0cda106966ade553b796463@teranews>,
> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>
>> So having a 64k chip would be advantageous for my T62u to give it the best
>> possible signal strength at all times?
>
>Yes. Its very helpful in some areas, makes little or no difference in
>other areas, but Cingular wont ever tell you the truth, cause if they
>tell you you should have it, then you might (rightly) expect it for
>free, and they'd rather sell it to you for $20.

Total nonsense from Chicken Little.

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In <jzwick3-81C835.20084915122004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 16 Dec
2004 02:08:55 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <1103150241.5a3e624e9318607f16b703985820659c@teranews>,
> "Ben in TN" <sea-doo@wolfplayer.us> wrote:
>
>> >>Yes, but Cingular may not tell you that, or they'd be obligated to give
>> >>you one, rather than charge you $20
>> >
>> > Actually no -- a standard GAIT SIM will roam on both networks.
>>
>> As I stated above, the SIM actually came with my T616 which is a GSM only
>> phone and was a 32k chip. If my GAIT phone doesn't need a 64k chip then why
>> does any Cingular phone need a 64k chip?
>
>Cause it now has more to keep track of the Cingular Netowrk, and the
>AT&T Wireless Network.

Nope. Roaming works fine on 32K SIMs.

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In article <b612s0prjukm8trig5uvf6mci16n61096t@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:10:16 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
>
> >Yes. Its very helpful in some areas, makes little or no difference in
> >other areas, but Cingular wont ever tell you the truth, cause if they
> >tell you you should have it, then you might (rightly) expect it for
> >free, and they'd rather sell it to you for $20.
>
> I don't know what company stores are doing, Jack, but I put 64k SIMS
> in all the cingular phones I sell. If I need one in my store I can't
> give my customers less.

Yes, but what do you do for someone who bought a phone a few months ago,
got a 32K sim, and now would greatly benefit from a 64K sim.

Do you give them the 64K sim, or sell it to them ? ?

If they complain of poorer coverage do you even mention sim to them ?
 
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In <jzwick3-27F89E.03561416122004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 16 Dec
2004 09:57:30 GMT, Jack "CHICKEN LITTLE" Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <b612s0prjukm8trig5uvf6mci16n61096t@4ax.com>,
> Al Klein <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote:

>> I don't know what company stores are doing, Jack, but I put 64k SIMS
>> in all the cingular phones I sell. If I need one in my store I can't
>> give my customers less.
>
>Yes, but what do you do for someone who bought a phone a few months ago,
>got a 32K sim, and now would greatly benefit from a 64K sim.

No one will "greatly benefit" from a 64K SIM -- the benefits are relatively
small.

>Do you give them the 64K sim, or sell it to them ? ?

TANSTAAFL

>If they complain of poorer coverage do you even mention sim to them ?

The SIM has no bearing on coverage.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:57:30 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>Yes, but what do you do for someone who bought a phone a few months ago,
>got a 32K sim, and now would greatly benefit from a 64K sim.

>Do you give them the 64K sim, or sell it to them ? ?

I sell it to them. I can't give everyone free upgrades and stay in
business.

>If they complain of poorer coverage do you even mention sim to them ?

You mean that the coverage got poorer due to the merger? How does
that come about? If they had poor coverage when they first signed up,
and it was a few months ago, I would have told them to return the
phone and cancel the contract. I've done that even after the merger -
Cingular has holes, the same as any other carrier and, if 2 of those
holes happen to be your home and your office, Cingular isn't for you.

(That's why dealers get demo accounts - so that we can get familiar
with where the holes are, and not sell a carrier to someone who's
probably going to cancel.)
 
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Are there any disadvantages to the 64k SIM from a customer's
perspective? For example, I was able to use my PDA with my T616 to
connect to GPRS and the internet (with the 32k SIM). Now with the 64k
SIM my T616 says "GPRS parameter not supported". Did Cingular simply
plugged this hole on the network, or did my SIM get "smarter"? Can
Cingular "plug this hole" without the 64k SIM? (I bought the Cingular
data service because I could use my PDA with the phone. Now Cingular
has changed that, i.e. changed what I bought when I signed the
contract.)


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In article <Daniel.Y.1iktwb@WiFi-Forum_dot_com>,
Daniel Y <Daniel.Y.1iktwb@WiFi-Forum_dot_com> wrote:

>
> Are there any disadvantages to the 64k SIM from a customer's
> perspective? For example, I was able to use my PDA with my T616 to
> connect to GPRS and the internet (with the 32k SIM). Now with the 64k
> SIM my T616 says "GPRS parameter not supported". Did Cingular simply
> plugged this hole on the network, or did my SIM get "smarter"? Can
> Cingular "plug this hole" without the 64k SIM? (I bought the Cingular
> data service because I could use my PDA with the phone. Now Cingular
> has changed that, i.e. changed what I bought when I signed the
> contract.)
>
>
> Thanks.

Main disadvantage is that Cingular will charge you $20 for one, when
they should provide it for free, so you can take advantage of the new
network they brag about in commercials.