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On 3 Sep 2005 06:20:12 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>
>dave weil discovers the "nano-nit" and sets to picking it:
>>
>>
><snipped to spare poor defenseless nits>
>>
>>
>> Porsche still have 3 more RATED HP
>>
>>
>Good grief!!! :-O

Therefore, it's not the same specs. what has happened is that IN THIS
LATEST MODEL YEAR ONLY, VW added another 20 some-odd horsepower.
Porsche might very well decide to up the ante again, or they might be
ssatisfied with having a nominal difference. Since they added a 50HP
boost option to the Turbo, they might be happy with that and might
decide not to bother with a HP race on this particular motor.

Got any pictures of the Cayenne Turbo S that Stewart was prattering on
about? Any proof of the earlier 247 HP VW V6? Maybe you could tweak my
Cannondale while you're at it. I could use a higher-end cantilever
brake system, if you please.

BTW, are you sending this from a Cracker Barrel wi-fi?

 

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On 3 Sep 2005 06:20:12 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>
>dave weil discovers the "nano-nit" and sets to picking it:
>>
>>
><snipped to spare poor defenseless nits>
>>
>>
>> Porsche still have 3 more RATED HP
>>
>>
>Good grief!!! :-O

Actually I screwed up the "nit". That should read "7 more RATED HP".

Sorry about that.

This 7 more HP translates to about a second faster 0-60, 9.4 vs. 8.5.
Hardly a "nit". Plus, the VW is limited to 122 mph, whereas the
Porsche runs 133. If the VW were unlocked, it's pretty plain that the
Porsche would STILL be a little faster, unless you want to unlock the
laws of physics.

 

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On 3 Sep 2005 07:17:25 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>> Therefore, it's not the same specs.
>>
>>
>Yeah, a 1.2% diff in *rated* HP will lead to a completely different
>level of performance. Ever hear of production tolerances, dave?

As it turns out, your figure is wrong. By about 100%. <chuckle>.

I'd say that another second in 0-60 is a "different level of
performance". I'd also say that another 11 mph on the top end is the
same.

BTW, you DO know that "production tolerances" work for Porsche as
well, right?

Finally, have you found any proof that the only thing Porsche did was
put on a "Porsche-sound exhaust system" on the motor? That's what
Stewart is claiming.

Didn't think so.

 

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On 3 Sep 2005 08:03:04 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>
>dave weil wrote:
>> On 3 Sep 2005 06:20:12 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >dave weil discovers the "nano-nit" and sets to picking it:
>> >>
>> >>
>> ><snipped to spare poor defenseless nits>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Porsche still have 3 more RATED HP
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Good grief!!! :-O
>>
>> Actually I screwed up the "nit". That should read "7 more RATED HP".
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>>
>Now it's grown to micro-nit.....
>>
>>
><additional nit-picking>

I can't help it if you're infested with lice there in the backwoods.
Try some Nix, if you can borrow it from someone in the trailer park.

 

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"dave weil" writes to dickhead Malesweski:
>
> I can't help it if you're infested with lice there in the backwoods.
> Try some Nix, if you can borrow it from someone in the trailer park.

He don't live in no trailer park. He lives with his ol' pa is his pa's
house. Now they might live real close to a trailer park, so yur
advice is prolly still good.

 

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> Would it really improve audio if "The
> Stereophile" mistaken as it can be at times were hounded
> out of
> existence?

I have always been thinking about hounding it into practical
competence at meeting audiophile needs.

 

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On 3 Sep 2005 08:33:39 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>> As it turns out, your figure is wrong. By about 100%. <chuckle>.
>>
>>
>>
>My figure of 1.2% was based on your claim of "3 more RATED HP".

Yep. apparently you didn't do YOUR due dilligence. Nice work. I hope
you do better work on bicycles.

>Now that you have corrected your error and revised the
>figure to 7 HP, the diff is 2.8%- still a nit in terms of rated HP.

It's like the difference between a Civic and a Porsche SUV.

BTW, how about Stewart's claims about the power output of that motor?
is a nit to claim a former difference of *27 HP*. Is it a nit to
demand that Stewart retract his statement that the VW motor has ALWAYS
had 240 HP? Is it a nit to ask where the evidence of an upcoming
diesel Cayenne (or even to say that Stewart can't even say the words,
"I was wrong" about there being a current diesel Cayenne)? Is it a nit
for me to point out that I claimed responsibility directly when I was
incorrect and that Stewart can't being himself to do anything but
employ weasel phrases to avoid saying that he was wrong?

The truthful answer to all of the above posits is a resounding NO. The
fact that you are now slinking away supports that resounding NO.

 

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"nyob123@peoplepc.com" <NYOB123@peoplepc.com> wrote in
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> "dave weil" <dweil2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:8ajgh1plrcf1h1sm1bf9mtfua9fq262au7@4ax.com...
>>>> :-D

>> Hey, unlike you, Lionel, and Stewart, I don't mind
>> admitting when I'm wrong.

> What a crock!

As self-unaware as Weil has proven himself to be over the
years...

 

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
wrote:

>"nyob123@peoplepc.com" <NYOB123@peoplepc.com> wrote in
>message
>news:AV5Se.5780$_84.4443@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net
>> "dave weil" <dweil2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:8ajgh1plrcf1h1sm1bf9mtfua9fq262au7@4ax.com...
>>>>> :-D
>
>>> Hey, unlike you, Lionel, and Stewart, I don't mind
>>> admitting when I'm wrong.
>
>> What a crock!
>
>As self-unaware as Weil has proven himself to be over the
>years...

Failure to follow thread noted.

You're wrong.

Again.

 

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In article <iciih11uri8qhjo8q1pn8askeuqf5gbvue@4ax.com>,
Stewart Pinkerton <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:16:10 GMT, MINe 109 <smcatut@mail.utexas.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <n6u5t7ek5nry.1dzky1anq98o2.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > Don Pearce <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > And a Volvo S-40 is a Mazda 3, or a Lincoln LS and a Jaguar S-type are
> >> > the same cars. Cool.
> >>
> >> Anybody know what he's talking about?
> >
> >Yes. And the European Ford Focus, too.
>
> However, the difference is that the Touareg and Cayenne basically just
> have noses and badges switched, however much smoke and mirrors Porsche
> would like to employ to conceal that fact.

We're used to VW/Porsche similarities in the US. Remember the 914 and
944 'Porsches'? We also like avoiding the Porsche 'options' list.

However, you seem to find small differences unimportant in
distinguishing these cars. A different buyer might find the superficial
differences (interior, gauging, etc) and the different driving setup
(suspension, steering, tires, etc) to be compelling enough to make a
real choice.

> Sensible folks buy the V-10
> diesel Touareg and get awesome pulling power, with more real-world
> overtaking thrust than even the Cayenne Turbo can muster.

That's right, the engines are different, too.

> Serously sensible folks buy a Ford pickup and a 'Vette Z06 for the
> same cash......

I didn't know Jeff Foxworthy was published in the UK.

Stephen

 

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:24:44 GMT, MINe 109 <smcatut@mail.utexas.edu>
wrote:

>In article <iciih11uri8qhjo8q1pn8askeuqf5gbvue@4ax.com>,
> Stewart Pinkerton <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:16:10 GMT, MINe 109 <smcatut@mail.utexas.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <n6u5t7ek5nry.1dzky1anq98o2.dlg@40tude.net>,
>> > Don Pearce <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > And a Volvo S-40 is a Mazda 3, or a Lincoln LS and a Jaguar S-type are
>> >> > the same cars. Cool.
>> >>
>> >> Anybody know what he's talking about?
>> >
>> >Yes. And the European Ford Focus, too.
>>
>> However, the difference is that the Touareg and Cayenne basically just
>> have noses and badges switched, however much smoke and mirrors Porsche
>> would like to employ to conceal that fact.
>
>We're used to VW/Porsche similarities in the US. Remember the 914 and
>944 'Porsches'?

Indeed, I recall VW saying that the proposed new Audi Coupe was far
too upmarket for the brand - of course it went on from the 924 to
become the iconic 968 Club Sport in its final incarnation - probably
the best allround chassis they ever built.........

However, while the 914 was badged as a 'VW/Porsche', there was only
one model, and the 924 was never sold as anything but a Porsche. Not
so with Cayenne and Touareg.

>We also like avoiding the Porsche 'options' list.

Especially the ceramic brakes option - OUCH!

>However, you seem to find small differences unimportant in
>distinguishing these cars. A different buyer might find the superficial
>differences (interior, gauging, etc) and the different driving setup
>(suspension, steering, tires, etc) to be compelling enough to make a
>real choice.

Unlikely - 99% will be down to the badge.

>> Sensible folks buy the V-10
>> diesel Touareg and get awesome pulling power, with more real-world
>> overtaking thrust than even the Cayenne Turbo can muster.
>
>That's right, the engines are different, too.

Some of them........

>> Serously sensible folks buy a Ford pickup and a 'Vette Z06 for the
>> same cash......
>
>I didn't know Jeff Foxworthy was published in the UK.

Never heard of him!

OK, Google says he's a stand-up guy. I didn't realise he coined the
'you might be a redneck' tagline, which I really loved during my time
in Houston. BTW, the Ford pickup doesn't *have* to have a rifle rack,
just 4WD and a king cab. A coonhound is optional.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

 

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:15:42 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
<patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote:

>BTW, the Ford pickup doesn't *have* to have a rifle rack

But it *does* have to have a little cartoon of Calvin (of Calvin and
Hobbes fame) pissing on a ram's head (or a Chevy bowtie).

I haven't seen a rifle rack in a pickup for years. They keep them in
stainless steel bed boxes now.

 

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:15:42 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
<patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote:

>>However, you seem to find small differences unimportant in
>>distinguishing these cars. A different buyer might find the superficial
>>differences (interior, gauging, etc) and the different driving setup
>>(suspension, steering, tires, etc) to be compelling enough to make a
>>real choice.
>
>Unlikely - 99% will be down to the badge.

Which is why Porsche insists on having the edge in specs (read
performance difference). Hell, in 2004, those differences equated to
the VW being over 2 seconds slower 0-60. Obviously VW closed the gap
to one second in 2005 by getting within 7 HP. Since they still have a
second over the VW, they probably don't feel the need to up the ante
yet again, since they're more concerned about bringing a hybrid on
board. Still, it wouldn't surprise me at all for them to tweak another
3 HP in 2006 to get to the magic 250 HP level now that VW is at 240.
It wouldn't be hard at all. whether they think it's worth their effort
is another matter. What they *need* to do is get their interior as
nice as the Touareg. Spend some R/D money there.

PS, got any spy photos of that Cayenne diesel that you claim Porsche
will be coming out in 2006?

 

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paul packer a écrit :
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:29:02 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
> wrote:
>
>
>>George Middius a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>I like your analysis.
>>
>>LOL !
>
>
> You laugh at the strangest things.

Agreed Sir, your analysis was really a "strange thing".
Thank you for that. ;-)

 

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dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:15:17 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:04:56 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Try to get your urges under control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, back to your hoppy swill.
>>>>
>>>Good, game set and match. ;-)
>>>
>>>Hard to believe that you concede.
>>>
>>>Well done!
>>
>>Seems that when I said that you are a presumptuous pathetic
>>baggart it was a kind euphemism.
>>
>>)
>
> Uh oh, the Frenchman's "vexed".

You are pathetic Dave, I start to feel a lot of pity for you.

 

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:38:44 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
wrote:

>> Uh oh, the Frenchman's "vexed".
>
>You are pathetic Dave, I start to feel a lot of pity for you.

Uh oh, more "vexation". I guess I should be "having fun" right about
now, right?

 

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paul packer a écrit :
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:58:38 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
> wrote:
>
>
>>. in one word you are
>>lovely ridiculous.
>
>
> Now this is indeed a serious attack on the English language.

You are too basically cartesian to appreciate my poetry.
I start to feel sorry for you.

 

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Lionel wrote:
> dave weil a écrit :
> > On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:38:44 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Uh oh, the Frenchman's "vexed".
> >>
> >>You are pathetic Dave, I start to feel a lot of pity for you.
> >
> >
> > Uh oh, more "vexation". I guess I should be "having fun" right about
> > now, right?
>
> No, no, but please continue to make an ass of yourself
> publicly, all the pleasure will be for me.
> We already know that you are an audio-clown now we see that
> you are also an auto-clown...
>
>
But dave teaches us valuable facts, Lionel. Just in the past few days,
we have learned that a 0.3 second difference in 0-100kph (0-62 mph) can
be a difference of life or death. And, we also learned that a
difference of 3 RATED HP (or 1.2%, in this case) can make a significant
difference in performance. :-D

 

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On 3 Sep 2005 13:16:30 -0700, torresists@aol.com wrote:

>
>Lionel wrote:
>> dave weil a écrit :
>> > On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:38:44 +0200, Lionel <rf.eerf@siupahc.lenoil>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Uh oh, the Frenchman's "vexed".
>> >>
>> >>You are pathetic Dave, I start to feel a lot of pity for you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Uh oh, more "vexation". I guess I should be "having fun" right about
>> > now, right?
>>
>> No, no, but please continue to make an ass of yourself
>> publicly, all the pleasure will be for me.
>> We already know that you are an audio-clown now we see that
>> you are also an auto-clown...
>>
>>
>But dave teaches us valuable facts, Lionel. Just in the past few days,
>we have learned that a 0.3 second difference in 0-100kph (0-62 mph) can
>be a difference of life or death. And, we also learned that a
>difference of 3 RATED HP (or 1.2%, in this case) can make a significant
>difference in performance. :-D

Glad that you've been paying attention. You must be back on your meds.

 

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> <elmir2m@pacificcoast.net> wrote in message
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>> Would it really improve audio if "The
>> Stereophile" mistaken as it can be at times were hounded out of
>> existence?
>
> I have always been thinking about hounding it into practical competence at
> meeting audiophile needs.

Correction. It is doing that quite well right now as judging from its
circulation and financial health. What you really mean is you want to hound
it into doing what *YOU* think audiophiles need.