Teen Jailed for Refusing to Give Up His Password

[cmartin011]

encryption = cpu or gpu time a man should not be held for unproven crime why waiting on results that there case needs to win the case that a judge would have to through out due to lack of hard evidence like that hard drive and lack of 15-20 years for quantum computers to catch up and crack it lol

 

[aje21]

And they know his password is 50 characters how?
"Hey, tell me your password!"
"No, it's 50 characters and you'll never guess it!"
(Actually it's only 5 characters, but how are you guys going to know?)

 

[rhino13]

password = rm -f *

 

[wawa sxm]

[citation][nom]bunga28[/nom]How did you know that he's a pedophile? That is a blatant charge! This is a typical bush-league, crazy, stupid, mob mentality (when are you going to be a leader?). Whatever happens to innocent until proven guilty. Even the police can't prove that. This proves that you are the arm chair, lazy ass. Lord knows, and I hope to God not, you will be innocently charged with something similar and your rights are not protected. How do you feel?I think that he deserves a jail time for braking the UK law that he should cough up his password (though, I personally think it's a stupid law that should be repealed - 2 judges in the US & Canada ruled that kind of laws are unconstitutional in the US & Canada). We & Scotland Yard don't know anything of what is he's storing in his HDD so I think we shouldn't be speculating and honor his human rights.[/citation]

so then you will side with someone who could be a pedophile rather then just let the authorities look at his hdd and have it done with....i wonder how the kids, victim of this thinks of your protection of privacy above all else....its sadder that you dont even realises what your encouraging

 

[qquizz]

why doesn't he just say he "FORGOT" his password...is that a crime too?

 

[waxdart]

[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]I have a 64 character password.[/citation]

Judging by the immensely immature posts on the /us/ board. That sort of password means you are: Guilty, hiding something and a pedo terrorist.
I’m sorry your civil liberties and display of common sense means nothing to others.

The UK teens crimes committed so far are: withholding passwords and obstruction of justice etc..
The guy is not guilty of anything else, until proven otherwise. In X years time when they have the power to brut force open that file, they’ll be back knocking on his door.

You may be right about his guilt, but until you can prove it, and convicted in court. He remain innocent.

I like all the other posts about the police, using quantum computers and getting the NSA to crack the password. That sounds like a lot of money. They don't have it and I don't want to pay tax for it.

 

[chick0n]

[citation][nom]waxdart[/nom]Judging by the immensely immature posts on the /us/ board. That sort of password means you are: Guilty, hiding something and a pedo terrorist.I’m sorry your civil liberties and display of common sense means nothing to others.The UK teens crimes committed so far are: withholding passwords and obstruction of justice etc..The guy is not guilty of anything else, until proven otherwise. In X years time when they have the power to brut force open that file, they’ll be back knocking on his door.You may be right about his guilt, but until you can prove it, and convicted in court. He remain innocent.I like all the other posts about the police, using quantum computers and getting the NSA to crack the password. That sounds like a lot of money. They don't have it and I don't want to pay tax for it.[/citation]

that simply means you don't know me, nor you know where I work and how I deal with things at work.

You guys make it sound like our country is the only place that can crack passwords cuz oh man NSA wow. UK has pretty sophisticated system setups. The authorities there got so pissed off cuz they know they will not be able to do shit about it at least for another 10-20 years from now. its like a slap in their face. yea throw him in jail cuz we're(the UK cops) f-ing useless.

 

[Camikazi]

[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]yeah lets pat him on back. Let the NSA at it...use a super computer or two..be cracked in no time.[/citation]
Then they find out he has nothing bad on there at all, wonder how that will play out

 

[garyshome]

Should have buried it in the back yard.

 

[nexus9113]

[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]you sir are inccorect , the US does NOT have teh alrgest military , we have the most technologically advanced military yes , but china currently holds the record for largest with over 2 million chinese serving their armed forces oh but youa re right aboutt eh patriot act , i'veehard of them abuse and use that act for a larg number of things that had nothign to do with terrorist.[/citation]

Actually YOU are incorrect, we DO have the world's largest military, our Navy alone has more ships than the next 16 largest navies combined. I should know, I was a submariner. And we DON'T have the most technologically advanced (considering our firecontrol system was the Mark I Mod 0 that came installed with the boat in 1984), that would be China, but they're not a huge threat because they're like a bunch of kindergartners with fully automatic's, more of a threat to themselves because there aren't enough people trained to use the tech.

Now to the topic at hand, I disagree with demanding a password from someone using the "law" as an excuse to do so, as he could incriminate himself for other "victimless" cyber crimes if he did so, because I'm assuming if he knew where to find CP he knows where to find ripped movies/games/music. I by no means condone the CP, at all, but I don't just assume he's guilty of it because he's suspected by law enforcement for having it. They have been wrong before in a lot of different cases for different crimes, and as they have no evidence they are probably just going on a hunch due to something like "trail of breadcrumb" logic: well this guy had a bunch of CP that we caught and convicted, now lets go find anyone and everyone he ever connected with, and everyone they connected with. They haven't stated why they thought he had CP, they've just said that they suspect him. If they honestly had solid cause they wouldn't need to investigate his PC, they would have logs and records and testimonies from other sources.

 

[wild9]

[citation][nom]Lewis57[/nom]This is old now, but anyway; He obviously has illegal content on his drives, and I'm not condoning whatever he has on those drives, but 16 weeks imprisonment is hell of a lot better than whatever he could get for said illegal content.[/citation]

Lewis, I agree with you about the relative nature of the sentence for not disclosing the unknown data data. It's just that the case as part of an investigation into child sexual exploitation (as far as I can establish and correct me if I am wrong), is still pending. In the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty.

I am not an authority of data encryption or security, but it is my opinion that the technology is there to crack the password. What's to stop them using backup technology to at least mirror what's on the drive, process it [citation][nom]millerm84[/nom]thats one of the many reasons we fought a war against them in the 1770s[/citation]

Remember the Alamo. It looks like America has it's hands full and this time it isn't just a bunch of English people. I'm English but I wasn't part of that, I wouldn't support. We have our problems here with the greedy and the corrupt and I think there's always been a bond between our two countries that is stronger than anything that could divide it.

It's the reconquesta's, the gangs, the bent politicians and the power-mad globalists who want nothing more than to drive us apart.

 

[Trueno07]

[citation][nom]aznguy0028[/nom]lol, that totally reminded me of the Chapelle skit where he pleads the fizziiiith. http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=rissm5YHJQg for anyone who wants to see it[/citation]

I have document you need to see. FIF

 

[pale paladin]

unless he wrote the encryption algorithm himself there is a master key that whomever created the password protection software or functionality has at their disposal. Find what software he used, contact the maker of said software, get the key and crack that shit.

 

[kewlx]

[citation][nom]jacobdrj[/nom]Should have used a Solid State Drive...[/citation]
exactly what i was thinking. A loop hole.

 

[shanky887614]

heard about this last week on bus back from college

ive been putting encryption on my files for years (im 17)

i use a very powerfull encrytion that is a more secure version of aes-256 which is used by goverments for top secret documentation

 

[Guest]

@pale paladin

If such a master key does exit (and most probably does), it would be a secured and restrictively controlled document (for lack of a better description) that would only be divulged to secured personnel for the protection of and the prevention of act of violence against the denizens of a nation

but holy smokes a 50 char password, now that is determined, chances are this damn thing is not just 50 random char, it would have to be some kind of phrase (corrupted or otherwise) and chances are his going have to enter it very regularly, so why don't they cart of his keyboard and find the keys that have excessive wear on them and try and narrow their brute force from there

of course it would be a pretty flimsy case if they were going to just prosecute him just based upon the content of his hard drive, chances are they probably have logs of his internet activities from the ISP, they only going after the stuff because possession of said material carries the harshest penalty, now saying that a person who knows to encrypt his hard drive with a 50 char password is probably going be using an IP anonymizer....

 

[whiteodian]

Washington Washington, He'll save the children, but not the british children.

Go to Youtube and search for George Washington if you want to laugh.

 

[ericburnby]

Why do people believe this guys personal freedoms are being violated? He was picked up as part of a lengthy, on-going investigation into child porn. Some other kid at school didn't call the police with a prank call and say "Oliver Drage is a pedophile" just to get him into trouble.

The police obviously have other evidence that led them to his residence (most likely specific traffic to his computers IP address). They could have proof of child porn traffic to his residence, but that still could mean that another person or a visitor with a laptop was the one sending (or receiving) the pics. The police want to search his computer to verify that traffic they had monitored actually originated (or ended up) on his computer.

It's like drug possession. The police find drugs in a house but don't know which person they belong to. Examining his computer would allow them to prove that the illegal content was in fact related to him and not someoney else.

The guys a pedo, plain and simple. The best part about this case is his picture and name are all over the world now. I wonder if UK prisons treat pedophiles the same as other prisons around the world and if he's in protective custody to keep him away from the other inmates who will undoubtedly beat the living s^#t out of him (or worse).

I think the best thing about this is that with so much publicity that other people will now be coming forward with "tips" and information that will allow the police end up completing their case anyway.

 

[jgiron]

I was told over and over again at work to NEVER divulge your password. Not to friends, especially not to family members. Why in the hell would I EVER give it up to law enforcement? It is privileged information.

If it is required by law in pursuant to a crime that information that is being willfully withheld is unlawful. From the article this person is under investigation for Child Porn. Just like your bank records, medical records or other personal information can be required through the courts if you are being charged with a crime.

 

[mattclary]

[citation][nom]bunga28[/nom]How did you know that he's a pedophile? That is a blatant charge! This is a typical bush-league, crazy, stupid, mob mentality (when are you going to be a leader?).[/citation]

It sounds like you are more in line with the "mob" here. "Yay for the hella-cool techno geek!!11! SCREW the cops!"

If the authorities have a WARRANT, he should have to divulge the password. If it is some random stop on the highway, yeah, I agree, screw the cops.

Here in the states, a judicial decision was made that forcing the surrender of a password was the equivalent of self incrimination because the key is stored in your head. By that same logic, if I have a mechanical safe with a combination lock, the same rule should apply.

Perhaps I should ditch my house key and put a combination lock on my house so those jack-booted thugs can't find the dungeon I keep my kidnap victims... I mean "guests"... in.