The iPhone Has Been Tracking Where You Go

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[citation][nom]fastfashn[/nom]Also, unlike the fearful, silly, Tea Party Teathuglicans that hang around everywhere and make comments about President Obama, liberals, Apple users, gays (etc), I know my equipment works. I've had this particular iPhone for more than two years, and it hasn't glitched. If I were using Windows Mobile (bleah), I'd have a paperweight by now. An obsolete, non-functional paperweight.So, again, I don't care if there is a GPS location file. Really. I'm not afraid of the closet of anxiety like some people are.- Dana Curtis Kincaid[/citation]
Sounds to me more like "it's not a bug, it's a feature"... I like better the people that are critical and wish for improvement of buggy tings, intentional "bugs" being worse than by mistake. If it did not ask permission, if in fact it was hidden for this long, then this is all intentional for me, which makes your "it's not a bug, it's a feature" sound so magic-apple :)
 
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fuck steve jobs and his shit apple wastes. I knew something was fishy. have them, go to hell jobs. never trust that psycho!!!
 

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[citation][nom]gdfgds[/nom]fuck steve jobs and his shit apple wastes. I knew something was fishy. have them, go to hell jobs. never trust that psycho!!![/citation]
Do you really wish to fornicate with someone you seem to hate this much? :D :D
 
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The fact that Apple have hidden this in a user contract or EULA counts for nothing in my opinion anyway.
NO-ONE ever reads the 20,000word T&Cs when they click "I accept".
The megacorps who write these 20,000word T&Cs KNOW that no-one ever reads them - and are therefore implicitly part of a system in which people are co-erced (unknowingly) into "agreeing" things.
There have been a number of cases like this in the courts recently and the little guys are winning. Good!
 

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The more I learn about Mr Jobs and his crap encasing company, the more I hate him and Apple.
How could people be so dumb as to wrap themselves in such mediocre technology and with such fanfare. Relinquishing freedom for a little make believe security is a terrifying idea.
 

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[citation][nom]del35[/nom]Owning Apple is a mark of stupidity, on every level. Apple is for dummies.Period.[/citation]
What about Owning Apple? Better recognized in the typonese form, Pwning. :p
 

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[citation][nom]thrasher32[/nom]Show me the money.[/citation]

Go on over to Slashgear. They just posted up an article describing how Android phones do the exact same thing.

Of course, if any of you idiots knew anything about how the industry works you'd already know Android/Google do this without having to read an article about it.

Suck it, haters.
 

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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Ever heard of civil liberties?Tell you what if you are so happy with this let's have the Government implant a GPS chip in every newborn babyThen fingerprint everyone regardless of crimes being committed or notYour DNA being kept on fileAnd a CCTV camera installed in your bedroom...what a 'tard...[/citation]

When you join the military, they get your DNA and fingerprint data.. Wanna know how much that affects me? None. Not in the slightest. And if you really think it does.. then your just down right paranoid. ....Or are you? ;P

"The location data and queries collected by Apple are collected in a form that does not personally identify you.."

That quote alone makes this a mostly un-important issue. If all Apple, or it's affiliates see is.."Oh look, there is an iPhone over here.." Then I fail to see a problem. Now, when you start to use a program that you log into, like the FB app, that could be more intrusive, as logging in and being located at the same time would pin point you.. but the same thing happens(relatively) when you log in from any computer.

[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]Go on over to Slashgear. They just posted up an article describing how Android phones do the exact same thing.Of course, if any of you idiots knew anything about how the industry works you'd already know Android/Google do this without having to read an article about it.Suck it, haters.[/citation]

No!! Don't use logic against the Anti-Apple Troll-Mob! They won't listen anyway!!
 

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It appears the saga of the lost (or stolen) iPhone prototype that the police confiscated so quickly from Gizmo is finally solve. Gizmo you got owned !
 

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Researchers: Police Already Using iPhone Tracking Data
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20110421/tc_zd/263496;_ylt=AkVFceif1oElZuCKGxxt8OpH_rl_;_ylu=X3oDMTE1YXN2dmI2BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1jaGFubmVsBHNsawNyZXNlYXJjaGVyc3A-
Damon Poeter - PC Magazine Damon Poeter - Pc Magazine – Thu Apr 21, 4:18 pm ET
A pair of mobile forensic researchers who independently identified a location tracking system on the iPhone 4 several months before it was publicized by O'Reilly Radar this week say that law enforcement agencies are currently using data from a hidden iOS file called "consolidated.db" in criminal investigations.

Evidence from the location tracking database stored on iPhones "has been used in actual criminal investigations and yes, it's led to convictions," said Alex Levinson, a Rochester Institute of Technology researcher and technical lead for iOS forensics consultant Katana Forensics.

But Levinson and Christopher Vance, a Marshall University digital forensics specialist, also contend that Apple probably included the technology in its iOS operating system to deliver location-based services like iAds rather than to create dossiers on the whereabouts of iPhone users.

A great deal of buzz has surrounded a Wednesday O'Reilly Radar blog post by researchers Pete Warden and Alasdair Allan that highlighted a hidden file on iOS devices like the iPhone and iPad which includes latitude-longitude coordinates and a timestamp to track where such devices have been geographically and when. (PCMag.com's Sascha Segan recently documented how his iPhone tracked his summer vacation without his knowledge.)

But Warden and Allan apparently weren't the first to discover the file.

Vance told PCMag.com Thursday that he came across the location tracking database shortly after running some forensics software on the iPhone 4 he purchased in the summer of 2010.

"I just happened to get an early release of a forensic product in beta and all of a sudden it pulled out this database," Vance said. He wrote about his discovery in a September 2010 blog post that erroneously stated that GPS data was being stored in the consolidated.db file.

Instead, the database collects location data on iOS devices by tracking connections to cell towers. Vance corrected his earlier post in a February update on his blog.

While he has gone back and forth over Apple's purpose in storing the location tracking data, Vance now says it's likely done to deliver the location-based services that Apple defended in a letter sent to Congress last year.

And the reason Apple uses cell tower connections rather than more precise location tracking data that could be delivered by a built-in GPS?

"If I had to guess, it's probably a matter of OS efficiency," Vance said. "The database is probably there to decrease the amount of time needed to generate GPS information for the location services or iAds built into the apps on iOS. Using assisted GPS is much faster and less of a strain on your battery life."

Vance, who is also a forensics consultant to the West Virginia State Police, said he has checked the consolidated.db file at the request of law enforcement officers but that so far no iPhone's location tracking database he has examined has produced a "smoking gun" that broke open an investigation.

"But it's been helpful," he added. "And that's not to say that we haven't found a 'smoking gun' in our forensics on iPhones or other phones, just not anything directly connected to the [location tracking] database."

The fact that the consolidated.db files have created such an uproar is a bit confusing to Vance and Levinson, who also discovered the database shortly after the iPhone's release in 2010.

(Click "Next" below to learn what mobile device data is invaluable to police in criminal investigations.)

Vance said all manner of data found on mobile devices like smartphones are already used as evidence in criminal investigations—much of it more useful to law enforcement than the consolidated.db files on iPhones.

"These people are carrying around basically computers in their pockets. Analyzing an iPhone is pretty much the same as analyzing an [Apple Mac] OS X computer. You can use browser history, cache data, what you can determine from Google Maps, keyboard logs, call history, etc.," he said.

Levinson said law enforcement agencies that Katana Forensics has worked with have conducted all of their searches on iPhones in a legal manner, either getting warrants or permission from a device's owner to perform a search.

And singling out Apple would be a mistake, Levinson said.

"Third-party applications also use location tracking," he said. "Other OSes do it. From a security standpoint, the OS is not necessarily the biggest vulnerability. The third-party apps are. That's also true from a forensics standpoint. And if you're going to hold Apple accountable, you have to hold the third-party app developers accountable. And you have to hold Android and the other OSes accountable."

But do Google's Android and other mobile OSes like Symbian, WebOS, Windows Phone and the Blackberry OS include something similar to the location tracking and data storage done on iOS devices? Levinson wouldn't say, but mentioned that he is currently researching a number of non-iOS mobile devices and would be presenting his findings soon.

Levinson also said that in the past several months, Katana has collaborated with local, state, national and even international law enforcement agencies on consolidated.db forensics. He wouldn't name any such agencies or identify specific investigations where the iPhone's location tracking file had come into play, but said the number is large, though "not in the hundreds."

Law enforcement agencies including the FBI, Interpol and the New York Police Department had not responded to PCMag.com inquiries about their use of consolidated.db data in investigations as of Thursday afternoon.

Levinson and Vance are also somewhat miffed that Warden and Allan have received credit for "discovering" the iPhone's location tracking technology. Vance seemed more bemused than offended—calling the rush to lionize the two researchers "a bit of a letdown."

Levinson said he feels "a little bit professionally disrespected." He said he'd pointed out the existence of the file at forensics conferences and that it was even included in a book written by Katana Forensics managing director Sean Morrissey that was published last December.

"I don't want to accuse [Warden and Allan] of being malicious. But if I was going into a new field that was a bit uncharted, I'd feel obligated to learn more about what was going on," he said, contending that the researchers or O'Reilly Radar could have learned of his work in the area fairly easily before publishing a claim to their "discovery."

Will Apple remove location tracking in future versions of iOS? Levinson said there's "no technical reason why they'd have to do so," but said public relations concerns over what could become a cause célèbre for privacy advocates were a different matter.

Apple has not commented publicly on the existence of the location tracking database in its iOS devices.
 

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[citation][nom]scuba dave[/nom]No!! Don't use logic against the Anti-Apple Troll-Mob! They won't listen anyway!![/citation]
Here is how I see it: Android fans know Android is not perfect. In fact point out to the imperfections and wish for something better, some even do something about it. Apple fans know their device is perfect already and has no imperfections of any sort.
Yes, Android tracks and sends info to Google and app providers, worse than Apple. That does not mean it's a good thing or that is accepted.
http://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&q=apple+vs.+stone&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1132&bih=808
 

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@everyone who flamed me.

Try reading the info before insulting people commenting on it, this isn't a case of some company logging all your details and keeping track of you, its just stored on your iPhone/PC which means you get a free tracker to show where you were at X o'clock on [date], the only people who wouldn't find that useful are criminals....
 

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[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]Go on over to Slashgear. They just posted up an article describing how Android phones do the exact same thing.Of course, if any of you idiots knew anything about how the industry works you'd already know Android/Google do this without having to read an article about it.Suck it, haters.[/citation]

You're not gonna fall on the ground and throw a tantrum are ya?
 

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[citation][nom]virtualban[/nom]Here is how I see it: Android fans know Android is not perfect. In fact point out to the imperfections and wish for something better, some even do something about it. Apple fans know their device is perfect already and has no imperfections of any sort.Yes, Android tracks and sends info to Google and app providers, worse than Apple. That does not mean it's a good thing or that is accepted.http://www.google.com/search?num=1 [...] 32&bih=808[/citation]

Um... My iPhone is hardly perfect, however it fits me well enough.. Better than any phone I've seen to date. The real problem, from my perspective at least, is that all the android fans out there see all the same flaws I do, and think that they are Earth-Shattering-Deal-Breakers, while I see them as very minor.. a passing nuisance. And for me not agreeing with the android fans.. I am flamed, along with Apple, for liking something they don't like, for having views they don't have, and just generally being different.

Now, as for wishing for something better, and doing something about it... That applies to both sides, friend. Android and iOS have been changing.. iOS at Apples will, and Andoid at Google's. Neither of which is controllable by me or you. They decide what direction the platform is going, and what issues to deal with along the way.

Everything else is propaganda.
[citation][nom]thrasher32[/nom]You're not gonna fall on the ground and throw a tantrum are ya?[/citation]

Oh, how mature are we.. Sarcastic remarks to someone we don't like.. Sooo.. Original. ;P At least he made a point. Yours is just worthless babble.


 

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@scuba dave
Agreed. The dumb phones were fine too, had little to no freedom, and it did not stop me from having one when needed. For what I use the phone for, an iPhone could be doing what I need. But when I have a choice between them, I would rather have the Android freedom as the way it is developing currently. Battery life is fine as it is now in my Android. As long as there is choice, there will always be preference, and nobody can argue whether one preference is better or worse. I only begin worry when people say something like "why do I need to choose what apps make it to the app store?" (and I don't mean the quality control, I mean just the obvious pulling of apps that go against freedom. If they pull a buggy or underperforming app it's fine by me, even if I would rather have a mark from the officials running the app store that the app is underperforming, ugly, or buggy despite what the app producer might say).
 

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To me, this "why do I need to choose what apps make it to the app store?" sounds similar to "why do I need a phone that can go 3 months with a single charge?". Tech is not here yet for that, but if it comes, I would rather have it, especially if the difference in price would be in the 10%.
So, weighting benefits and drawbacks we vote with our money and the companies should be satisfying us in order to get our votes. And even if they got the votes, they need to keep satisfying us, because we would be influencing other potential voters. I vote for Android currently, but am happy when I see an Apple customer wanting something different and better, even if they purposely want even more controlled experience in the iOS.
 

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Don't know if somebody mentioned it , but tracking is also working on IPODs !
Anyone/anyApp reading the unencrypted data directly on the device or from the PC where the IPod has been backuped can track you...
Making great products is not an excuse for fooling customers, who have anyway no choice (who is actually not tracking ? why is Chrome setting up an encrypted link to its servers everytime you are surfing, even if you are not searching anything... ?)
 
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It's pointless to get upset about this. You're already being tracked by at least a dozen other devices that you own. How do you think your GPS in your car tells you where to go. Any other phone made in the last 5 years has GPS tracking too, and every time you get online with your computer big brother knows where you are. If you are really this concerned with being "tracked" then your only option is trash pretty much all of your electronic devices, quit your job, stop paying taxes, and move to the mountains of Afghanistan with the rest of al-qaeda. Other wise, quit complaining and enjoy your iphone.
 
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