Triggering PC Samples with audio inputs

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I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with my
PC.

I want to trigger with a piezo element or simular pressure sensitive
device that will give me levels of signal with how hard I hit it. I
have seen people doing this with Remo Practice pads and mounting the
Piezo underneath and hooking the phone jack into trigger inputs on a
sampler.

I can do what I want with a Roland TCM6, which converts drum triggers
to MIDI and then run into my computer and trigger with MIDI compatable
PC samplers like Fruity Loops. This would get a little expensive since
I need 10 or so samples and the TCM6 does only 6 for $250.00. So if
anyone knows a cheaper external device that converts to midi, let me
know.

What I would like to do is run the piezo outputs into a mixer like a
Mackie onyx 1620 and run the 16 firewire independant audio tracks into
the computer and trigger from picking those. This wouldn't be cheaper,
but I need a good mixer anyways.
If anyone has some ideas, I would love to hear them.
 
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"blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
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>I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with my
> PC.
>
> I want to trigger with a piezo element or simular pressure sensitive
> device that will give me levels of signal with how hard I hit it. I
> have seen people doing this with Remo Practice pads and mounting the
> Piezo underneath and hooking the phone jack into trigger inputs on a
> sampler.
>
> I can do what I want with a Roland TCM6, which converts drum triggers
> to MIDI and then run into my computer and trigger with MIDI compatable
> PC samplers like Fruity Loops. This would get a little expensive since
> I need 10 or so samples and the TCM6 does only 6 for $250.00. So if
> anyone knows a cheaper external device that converts to midi, let me
> know.


You may want to consider picking up a used Alesis DM-5. There's one on eBay
right now for $225. That will give you 12 configurable trigger inputs in a rack
mount unit. Run a MIDI cable from it to your computer and you're set. You'll
save $25 on a trigger-to-MIDI box, and pick up a nice drum sound module for
"free."

Check out the Alesis web site support section, download the DM-5 manual, and
decide if that suits your purposes.

John LeBlanc
Houston, TX
 
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John_LeBlanc wrote:
> "blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
> news:1107369018.204250.206250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with
my
> > PC.
> >
> > I want to trigger with a piezo element or simular pressure
sensitive
> > device that will give me levels of signal with how hard I hit it.
I
> > have seen people doing this with Remo Practice pads and mounting
the
> > Piezo underneath and hooking the phone jack into trigger inputs on
a
> > sampler.
> >
> > I can do what I want with a Roland TCM6, which converts drum
triggers
> > to MIDI and then run into my computer and trigger with MIDI
compatable
> > PC samplers like Fruity Loops. This would get a little expensive
since
> > I need 10 or so samples and the TCM6 does only 6 for $250.00. So if
> > anyone knows a cheaper external device that converts to midi, let
me
> > know.
>
>
> You may want to consider picking up a used Alesis DM-5. There's one
on eBay
> right now for $225. That will give you 12 configurable trigger inputs
in a rack
> mount unit. Run a MIDI cable from it to your computer and you're set.
You'll
> save $25 on a trigger-to-MIDI box, and pick up a nice drum sound
module for
> "free."
>
> Check out the Alesis web site support section, download the DM-5
manual, and
> decide if that suits your purposes.
>
> John LeBlanc
> Houston, TX
 

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"John_LeBlanc" <john__leblanc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
> news:1107369018.204250.206250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with my
> > PC.
> >
> > I want to trigger with a piezo element or simular pressure sensitive
> > device that will give me levels of signal with how hard I hit it. I
> > have seen people doing this with Remo Practice pads and mounting the
> > Piezo underneath and hooking the phone jack into trigger inputs on a
> > sampler.
> >
> > I can do what I want with a Roland TCM6, which converts drum triggers
> > to MIDI and then run into my computer and trigger with MIDI compatable
> > PC samplers like Fruity Loops. This would get a little expensive since
> > I need 10 or so samples and the TCM6 does only 6 for $250.00. So if
> > anyone knows a cheaper external device that converts to midi, let me
> > know.
>
>
> You may want to consider picking up a used Alesis DM-5. There's one on
eBay
> right now for $225. That will give you 12 configurable trigger inputs in a
rack
> mount unit. Run a MIDI cable from it to your computer and you're set.
You'll
> save $25 on a trigger-to-MIDI box, and pick up a nice drum sound module
for
> "free."
>
> Check out the Alesis web site support section, download the DM-5 manual,
and
> decide if that suits your purposes.
>
> John LeBlanc
> Houston, TX

Yes, I use the DM-5 for this purpose and it works very nicely

Doug






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Even an Alesis D4 (same trigger inputs) at about $100-125 would do this.

David


"John_LeBlanc" <john__leblanc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
> news:1107369018.204250.206250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with my
>> PC.
>>
>> I want to trigger with a piezo element or simular pressure sensitive
>> device that will give me levels of signal with how hard I hit it. I
>> have seen people doing this with Remo Practice pads and mounting the
>> Piezo underneath and hooking the phone jack into trigger inputs on a
>> sampler.
>>
>> I can do what I want with a Roland TCM6, which converts drum triggers
>> to MIDI and then run into my computer and trigger with MIDI compatable
>> PC samplers like Fruity Loops. This would get a little expensive since
>> I need 10 or so samples and the TCM6 does only 6 for $250.00. So if
>> anyone knows a cheaper external device that converts to midi, let me
>> know.
>
>
> You may want to consider picking up a used Alesis DM-5. There's one on
> eBay right now for $225. That will give you 12 configurable trigger inputs
> in a rack mount unit. Run a MIDI cable from it to your computer and you're
> set. You'll save $25 on a trigger-to-MIDI box, and pick up a nice drum
> sound module for "free."
>
> Check out the Alesis web site support section, download the DM-5 manual,
> and decide if that suits your purposes.
>
> John LeBlanc
> Houston, TX
>
>
 
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Oh, I'm glad to see people using the DM-5 for this, because I went and
read up on it before; and I though that you could control it from a
computer, but you could not control the computer from the DM-5. Some
MIDI units are only IN, and not OUT I think?

If anyone has used both the TMC-6 from Roland and the DM-5 from Alesis,
can you tell a noticable difference in how good they trigger, such as
quick response and the how well it picks up different levels of hits.
Also, I was wondering the difference between the TMC-6, which says that
it has the ability to do ...

Supports separate head/rim shot triggering of PD-120/80R V-Pads
Supports 3-way triggering of CY-15R and CY-12R/C V-Cymbals
Works with FD-7 hi-hat control pedal

I am interested in knowing how the separate triggering works, Is this
for one input? And how does the hi-hat control? Does the Alesis do
all this? Can you set up an Alesis for a hi-hat type setup?

Well, that is a lot. Maybe someone should just recommend a book for me?
 
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blisspikle wrote:
> I am looking for a cost effective way to trigger audio samples with
my
> PC.

Me too, I already have an Alesis D-4 and would like to get rid of it,
as I use SONAR 3 I've gotten more into the entire soft-sampler approach
to drum tracks. Certainly an audio track could record signals from a
piezo trigger, any plug-in or even external program that would scan a
WAV file for impulses and do a replace of course with velocity too?

Hmmm the ideal would be an audio plug-in that you could route to the
virtual MIDI in of a soft sampler, all within SONAR, in order to enable
real time triggering. This is all pipe dream as 2 year old twins
effectively erase all free time, the rest is spent passed out from
exhaustion - but that will pass eventually.
 
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"blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, I'm glad to see people using the DM-5 for this, because I went and
> read up on it before; and I though that you could control it from a
> computer, but you could not control the computer from the DM-5. Some
> MIDI units are only IN, and not OUT I think?
>
> If anyone has used both the TMC-6 from Roland and the DM-5 from Alesis,
> can you tell a noticable difference in how good they trigger, such as
> quick response and the how well it picks up different levels of hits.
> Also, I was wondering the difference between the TMC-6, which says that
> it has the ability to do ...
>
> Supports separate head/rim shot triggering of PD-120/80R V-Pads
> Supports 3-way triggering of CY-15R and CY-12R/C V-Cymbals
> Works with FD-7 hi-hat control pedal
>
> I am interested in knowing how the separate triggering works, Is this
> for one input? And how does the hi-hat control? Does the Alesis do
> all this? Can you set up an Alesis for a hi-hat type setup?
>
> Well, that is a lot. Maybe someone should just recommend a book for me?


Yes, as I suggested, go to the Alesis web site, to the Support section, and
download the manual for the DM-5. Everything you need to know is in there.

Before I responded to your question yesterday, I not only downloaded the DM-5
manual, but also went to the Roland site and endured their convoluted process to
obtain a PDF of their manual. After comparing it to the Alesis, I can't imagine
why you'd want the Roland over the Alesis, but YMMV.

BTW, I just saw an ad for an Alesis DM-5 for $125.

John LeBlanc
Houston, TX
 
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"Tim A" <nodamnspam@sansspam.com> wrote in message
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> Once you track your acoustic drums, you can replace them with your own samples
> using Drumagog http://www.drumagog.com/
> It's good tool for layering drum samples too. Check it out.

And if you want to play with the concept, KTDrumTrigger is pretty cool, and it's
free:
http://www.koen.smartelectronix.com/KTDrumTrigger/

I recently used it to replace a horrible sounding snare recorded from --
ironically enough -- a drum module.

John LeBlanc
Houston, tx
 
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I was reading a little on the DM Pro. Does anyone know why this was
discontinued? It looks like such a great product. I bit a little
giddy when I see bits go up, and all the 6 indivual audio outputs look
nice. They are selling higher on ebay then the DM5, so someone must
still want them.
 
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The entity known as Tim A, posted:

> Hopefully it'll be handy, for those sessions where the drummer insists
> that his 15 year old snare head is not getting changed.

15 years old? It's just getting broken in, isn't it? <g>



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John,

Do you happen to have some literature on how to do the choke mod on the
2.0 alesis. I decided to buy a DM pro on ebay and I just got the 1.x
version because they were running cheaper and thought that I could just
replace the eprom and no big deal. Plus, I could just use it the way
it was for awhile.

I emailed one of the people on ebay about the 2.0 upgrade and this is
what Ruth Fischler from advancedmusical replied...

"2.0 is more than an eprom change. It also involves a hardware mod
called the
cymbal choke mod. It takes a skilled technician around an hour and 1/2
to
perform the hardware mods."

Would some one know how to do this?

Thanks.
 
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"blisspikle" <eklassen@metforming.com> wrote in message
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> John,
>
> Do you happen to have some literature on how to do the choke mod on the
> 2.0 alesis. I decided to buy a DM pro on ebay and I just got the 1.x
> version because they were running cheaper and thought that I could just
> replace the eprom and no big deal. Plus, I could just use it the way
> it was for awhile.
>
> I emailed one of the people on ebay about the 2.0 upgrade and this is
> what Ruth Fischler from advancedmusical replied...
>
> "2.0 is more than an eprom change. It also involves a hardware mod
> called the
> cymbal choke mod. It takes a skilled technician around an hour and 1/2
> to
> perform the hardware mods."
>
> Would some one know how to do this?

Not sure which way you want the mod to go. If memory serves, this has to do with
using Hart triggers in a drum kit that was marketed. There was a daughterboard
and a few other components that had to be swapped out because of the way the
Hart triggers worked.

$50 and shipping gets you the 2.0 EPROM upgrade kit. Pop the old ones out, pop
the new ones in, and reset the unit. Relatively painless, depending upon how
well you weild a screwdriver.

As to the choke issue: one of the things version 2.0 does (besides fix a lot of
iritating, inconsistent triggering issues) is force TRS input 7/8 to be
chokable -- input 8 chokes input 7. This didn't make everyone happy, though.
Version 1.x allowed you to easily configure 7/8 as two separate triggers. You
could also configure the software to use the Aux to choke an input trigger. I
guess someone figured 7/8 needed to be this way, and that's the way the trigger
EPROM was upgraded.

If you've already gone through the manuals, I think you'd find a lot of benefit
from joining the DMPro group at Yahoo! Groups. There's several years of messages
filled with lots of valuable advice. Not a terribly busy group, but it's the
archives you want to read through first. Give it a shot if you like:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmpro

Also, you can always call Alesis tech support. It's been my experience over the
last few years that they are perfectly happy to help you through things over the
phone. This unit's been around the block enough times they have an adequate
knowledge base on which to pull. I've had nothing but excellent customer service
from them.

Finally, if you still get stumped, send me a note and I'm happy to help if I
can.

John LeBlanc
Houston, TX
 

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