Verizon: We'll Push Windows Phone Like We Push Android

[NewbieTechGodII]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]And every guy that likes to get his balls stomped on by a dominatrix says it's the best feeling ever. There's only one thing Microsoft needs to know about the Metro-skinned Windows Phone 7... after 18 months it barely has 1.5% usage share. It couldn't have failed harder. So a few people that have Windows phones say they are great, which makes sense, otherwise why buy them?The market has spoken and Microsoft needs to let go of its ridiculous dream of doing on the mobile what it had done on the desktop. They fixation is hurting the future of desktop Windows and it's hurting Microsoft.[/citation]

I believe this lack of market share is because Verizon does not offer a competitive WP7 product. It would probably be more accurate to ask, "If given the opportunity, how many Verizon customers would switch to a WP7/WP8 product IF said phone was modern, up-to-date, and had the screen real estate of other phones?".

Personally, I am totally ready to buy two new WP8 when they come out, and will probably get a WT8 as well. I am confident that there are a lot of other Verizon customers ready to do the same.

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Do you intentionally ignore what people say that you don't want to hear? This DOES affect me. I am getting tired of using only a very few apps, but because several other apps I have no opened are taking up RAM, Android decides "Hey let's close your launcher replacement" which then makes me go back in and kill tasks and restart the things I do want running because things I don't want running are running against my wishes.I told you before in the other articles comments, which you totally ignored, that while yes, Android does start closing programs, it does NOT close programs based on what the user has not started. Instead, some things it closes are things I do not want closed and that does indeed affect me negatively.And that's why Windows phones will be something I will seriously consider and give a chance.[/citation]
Exactly what apps do you require to be running in the background?

Btw, there are some utilities that allow you to have programs loaded or unloaded based on other events.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]And every guy that likes to get his balls stomped on by a dominatrix says it's the best feeling ever. There's only one thing Microsoft needs to know about the Metro-skinned Windows Phone 7... after 18 months it barely has 1.5% usage share. It couldn't have failed harder. So a few people that have Windows phones say they are great, which makes sense, otherwise why buy them?The market has spoken and Microsoft needs to let go of its ridiculous dream of doing on the mobile what it had done on the desktop. They fixation is hurting the future of desktop Windows and it's hurting Microsoft.[/citation]
And if people that have them like them, they must not suck.

And 7.5 hasn't been out as long as you try to make it sound. It was just released in Spetember which is not 18 months ago. And the Lumia 900 which is the top phone between Nokia and Microsoft was just released 12 days ago. Hardly time to say whether or not it's failed.

Now I have no idea what OS you are a fan kiddie of, iOS or Android. But your comments reek of being a fan kiddie of one of them because an intelligent consumer wants competition. The stupidity of the typical fan kiddie really shows when they want something else to fail, because if the competition fails, your favorite product will begin to stagnate and not really offer much new because they don't really have to.

And no, wanting to do a mobile phone is not hurting Microsoft on the desktop. Yes, I personally feel they are making missteps with Windows 8, but it has nothing to do with them wanting to sell a mobile OS as well. And considering all the positive reviews over the new Windows phones, I don't see Microsoft being hurt by it.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]NewbieTechGodII[/nom]I believe this lack of market share is because Verizon does not offer a competitive WP7 product.[/citation]

Verizon? What the hell is Verizon? Windows Phone failed everywhere in the world. Everyone who wants one can get one. HTC, Samsung and Nokia offer a bunch of well-specced models. Apple offered only one model and it grabbed a huge chunk of the mobile market, so availability of products is not the deciding factor.

The reason Windows Phone failed is that it's a bad product. The manufacturers know it, the carriers know it and 98.5% of customers know it. Granted, it probably deserves more than the 1.5% it managed to grab, but not much more. Microsoft knows it too, that's why they're using Windows 8 to force as many users as possible to use their PCs as mobile phones so that they could at least get into the double digits market share.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Exactly what apps do you require to be running in the background? Btw, there are some utilities that allow you to have programs loaded or unloaded based on other events.[/citation]
See, you are one of these Android groupies that are just as bad as Apple groupies because you intentionally miss someones point.

It does not matter what apps I want running, what matters is Android allows apps I don't want running to magically start up whenever they want. I shouldn't have to get yet another app to control apps that start up on their own. That by the way is something from what I have been told requires rooting of the phone, to be able to freeze apps.

And I don't want some event to open an app. The only event I want to open an app is when I choose to open the app. How is that so hard for Android fans to understand?

It's very posisble for this to be done. Some very good devs for apps such as Tunein and Weather Channel have on their menu and Exit option. When you choose Exit, the app doesn't start back until the user starts its. There is no reason for an app not to have an Exit button. When I take a picture, I have to either hit Back or Home to get out of the camera app, but it's still running. It doesn't need to run and take up memory when I'm not using it. It also doesn't need to open up the Gallery and the replacement gallery app I use, Quickpix when I don't want those open. If I want to open Quickpix or the Gallery, I will open them, I don't need Android assuming that because I took a picture I want 2 more apps taking up memory, neither of which have Exit buttons either.

If I put my phone in the cardock, Marketplace, Mobile Hotspot, Slacker (bloatware I do not even want but can't uninstall), the built in browser, all start. That's not needed. I am getting tired of this attitude that some people have that Android knows better than I do what I want running when.

And if RAM does run out, yes, you're right, it does start closing apps. You know what app it closes first? Go Launcher EX. Now, obviously if I use a replacement launcher, I must want this running. But does it close Slacker or the built in Music app I don't want running or Play Music or Play Books? No, doesn't close any of the apps I didn't choose nor want to be open.

That's why Windows phone seems like a very attractive option.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Verizon? What the hell is Verizon? Windows Phone failed everywhere in the world. Everyone who wants one can get one. HTC, Samsung and Nokia offer a bunch of well-specced models. Apple offered only one model and it grabbed a huge chunk of the mobile market, so availability of products is not the deciding factor.The reason Windows Phone failed is that it's a bad product. The manufacturers know it, the carriers know it and 98.5% of customers know it. Granted, it probably deserves more than the 1.5% it managed to grab, but not much more. Microsoft knows it too, that's why they're using Windows 8 to force as many users as possible to use their PCs as mobile phones so that they could at least get into the double digits market share.[/citation]
No, someone who is an area only Verizon has good reception can not get a Windows phone if they want one can they? Someone who is an area who wants 4G and Verizon is the only 4G provider in the area can't get one can they?

And if it's such a bad product, tell us exactly why it's a bad product, don't just make blanket statements. Reviews contradict you as do users of the new Windows phone (which has not been out for 18 months as you claim).

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And if people that have them like them, they must not suck.[/citation]

So if even one person likes something, that think does not suck?

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And 7.5 hasn't been out as long as you try to make it sound. It was just released in Spetember which is not 18 months ago. And the Lumia 900 which is the top phone between Nokia and Microsoft was just released 12 days ago. Hardly time to say whether or not it's failed.[/citation]

I'm talking about the Metroized Windows Phone 7, not some latest update that Microbots are creaming their pants about. It's been out for 18 months and it failed as hard as a Microsoft product could fail.


[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And no, wanting to do a mobile phone is not hurting Microsoft on the desktop.[/citation]

They are so desperate to get users to use their mobile OS (and get that 30% cut from app sales) that they want it installed on desktop machines and force you to use it, if you want the latest version of Windows that is. How is that not hurting the entire, 20 year old, billions strong Windows ecosystem?

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]No, someone who is an area only Verizon has good reception can not get a Windows phone if they want one can they? Someone who is an area who wants 4G and Verizon is the only 4G provider in the area can't get one can they?[/citation]

There's a whole world out there beyond those little straw-hat wearing hick towns with one carrier(!), and Windows Phone is failing everywhere.


[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Reviews contradict you as do users of the new Windows phone (which has not been out for 18 months as you claim).[/citation]

Windows Phone devices went on sale in October 2010, so... ok, 15 months. You're right, it's too early to tell. I mean, it could go to 5% in another 15 months, who knows?

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Verizon? What the hell is Verizon? Windows Phone failed everywhere in the world. Everyone who wants one can get one. HTC, Samsung and Nokia offer a bunch of well-specced models. Apple offered only one model and it grabbed a huge chunk of the mobile market, so availability of products is not the deciding factor.The reason Windows Phone failed is that it's a bad product. The manufacturers know it, the carriers know it and 98.5% of customers know it. Granted, it probably deserves more than the 1.5% it managed to grab, but not much more. Microsoft knows it too, that's why they're using Windows 8 to force as many users as possible to use their PCs as mobile phones so that they could at least get into the double digits market share.[/citation]

And that first sentence displays your lack if intelligence.

Verizon is like the LARGEST carrier in the US and the only WP7 it offers is the equivalent to a clamshell phone. AT&T is also huge, but let's face it, their network is nowhere near as good as Verizon's is, so it doesn't matter if AT&T is rocking a great phone on a crappy network.

You say WP7 is a failure...really? Based on...? What is the deficiency of the OS that prevents it from taking off? Every review I've seen gives the interface high marks and some say it's better than iOS and android.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]NewbieTechGodII[/nom]And that first sentence displays your lack if intelligence.Verizon is like the LARGEST carrier in the US and the only WP7 it offers is the equivalent to a clamshell phone.[/citation]

How many carriers did iPhone have? Let me help you, until 14 months ago, AT&T was the only authorized carrier for the iPhone. They also offered only one or two models. I think they still managed to get more than 1.5% usage share.

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]See, you are one of these Android groupies that are just as bad as Apple groupies because you intentionally miss someones point.It does not matter what apps I want running, what matters is Android allows apps I don't want running to magically start up whenever they want. I shouldn't have to get yet another app to control apps that start up on their own. That by the way is something from what I have been told requires rooting of the phone, to be able to freeze apps.And I don't want some event to open an app. The only event I want to open an app is when I choose to open the app. How is that so hard for Android fans to understand?It's very posisble for this to be done. Some very good devs for apps such as Tunein and Weather Channel have on their menu and Exit option. When you choose Exit, the app doesn't start back until the user starts its. There is no reason for an app not to have an Exit button. When I take a picture, I have to either hit Back or Home to get out of the camera app, but it's still running. It doesn't need to run and take up memory when I'm not using it. It also doesn't need to open up the Gallery and the replacement gallery app I use, Quickpix when I don't want those open. If I want to open Quickpix or the Gallery, I will open them, I don't need Android assuming that because I took a picture I want 2 more apps taking up memory, neither of which have Exit buttons either.If I put my phone in the cardock, Marketplace, Mobile Hotspot, Slacker (bloatware I do not even want but can't uninstall), the built in browser, all start. That's not needed. I am getting tired of this attitude that some people have that Android knows better than I do what I want running when.And if RAM does run out, yes, you're right, it does start closing apps. You know what app it closes first? Go Launcher EX. Now, obviously if I use a replacement launcher, I must want this running. But does it close Slacker or the built in Music app I don't want running or Play Music or Play Books? No, doesn't close any of the apps I didn't choose nor want to be open.That's why Windows phone seems like a very attractive option.[/citation]

I don't care what phone you use, I am just baffled that you have written what looks to be books worth of posts about a loading technique Android phones use that has pretty much no impact on your use of the phone. Because it loads a program, in the background, it pisses you off to no end. I have a solution for you, IGNORE IT. If you didn't look at your tasks list, you wouldn't know it was running, so why exert so much energy about how much you hate it.

It preloads programs into RAM, so what. It doesn't lock out of of using the RAM. It doesn't stop you from using the apps you want to use. And by your own testimony, it doesn't make a program faster to be preloaded. So why on earth is this so bothersome? Ignore that it's loaded.

Just ignore the preloaded programs.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]How many carriers did iPhone have? Let me help you, until 14 months ago, AT&T was the only authorized carrier for the iPhone. They also offered only one or two models. I think they still managed to get more than 1.5% usage share.[/citation]

The reason the iPhone did what it did was because it beat the pants off every phone out there at the time. android came along and was a success because of the push it got from Verizon, as the article mentioned (though it was T-Mobile which had the first android phone, not Verizon).

The other reason why apple sells like it does is because their user base is full of mindless zombie fanboi's, who will wait in line for weeks because their (thankfully dead) Dear Leader says so.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]So if even one person likes something, that think does not suck?
I'm talking about the Metroized Windows Phone 7, not some latest update that Microbots are creaming their pants about. It's been out for 18 months and it failed as hard as a Microsoft product could fail.
They are so desperate to get users to use their mobile OS (and get that 30% cut from app sales) that they want it installed on desktop machines and force you to use it, if you want the latest version of Windows that is. How is that not hurting the entire, 20 year old, billions strong Windows ecosystem?[/citation]
You are just one person who says it sucks yet do not give one reason as to why it sucks yet somehow think we should all listen to you.

Btw, Metro is just the UI. The fact you base your opinion so strongly on an interface tells me you don't really get into somethings substance.

And no, Windows 8 on the desktop is not the mobile OS. It merely integrates better with the mobile OS which is not one of the problems with Win8.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]I don't care what phone you use, I am just baffled that you have written what looks to be books worth of posts about a loading technique Android phones use that has pretty much no impact on your use of the phone. Because it loads a program, in the background, it pisses you off to no end. I have a solution for you, IGNORE IT. If you didn't look at your tasks list, you wouldn't know it was running, so why exert so much energy about how much you hate it.It preloads programs into RAM, so what. It doesn't lock out of of using the RAM. It doesn't stop you from using the apps you want to use. And by your own testimony, it doesn't make a program faster to be preloaded. So why on earth is this so bothersome? Ignore that it's loaded.Just ignore the preloaded programs.[/citation]
And I am baffled that you keep intentionally ignoring what people write.

How am I to just ignore something when I get programs I do want running such as Go Launcher closed because Android wants to free up RAM to allow other programs to run that I did not want running? Please, explain how it's possible to ignore that. I would love to hear that.

When my launcher replacement closes to free up RAM, well, I don't really have to go into a task manager for it to be noticeable now do I? And for the record, the only things I do have running is Lookout, Skype, MSN messenger, the Weather Channel widget, the Verizon data use widget, a battery monitor widget, a photo contact widget and the Google Search widget. From what I have been told, this is not a lot.

And like I said, I don't have to go into a task manager to notice that all these "pre loaded" apps are affecting me when the very first thing it closes to free up memory is Go Launcher. When Go Launcher closes, I then have to go into a task manager to see what all is running and there is the camera app, Gallery, the Verizon App store, Marketplace, the browser, the Mobile Hotspot, Slacker, Music, Play Music, Play Books, Pulse and a host of other things, much of it pre installed bloatware I do not even want on my phone. I then have to kill these tasks to get what I actually want to run to be able to run.

Now do you maybe get the picture?

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And no, Windows 8 on the desktop is not the mobile OS. It merely integrates better with the mobile OS which is not one of the problems with Win8.[/citation]

Windows 8 on the desktop is a mobile OS because you can't turn off the mobile UI. You can temporarily go to a deliberately crippled desktop mode, but it's clear that Microsoft wants to push it to legacy-land, and yesterday. Then they want users to buy "apps" from the Windows store, where MS gets to decide what apps are allowed to be sold, and get a 30% cut. Then they want to make users use one app at a time full-screen (or split it 80-20 and no other way), and they optimized the whole UI for touch, which for usage of more than a few minutes only makes sense on handheld devices.

How is that not a mobile OS? It has desktop functionality, but only because Microsoft couldn't get away with disabling desktop completely, which it will probably do in Windows 9 if Windows 8 and Metro catch on.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Windows 8 on the desktop is a mobile OS because you can't turn off the mobile UI. You can temporarily go to a deliberately crippled desktop mode, but it's clear that Microsoft wants to push it to legacy-land, and yesterday. Then they want users to buy "apps" from the Windows store, where MS gets to decide what apps are allowed to be sold, and get a 30% cut. Then they want to make users use one app at a time full-screen (or split it 80-20 and no other way), and they optimized the whole UI for touch, which for usage of more than a few minutes only makes sense on handheld devices.How is that not a mobile OS? It has desktop functionality, but only because Microsoft couldn't get away with disabling desktop completely, which it will probably do in Windows 9 if Windows 8 and Metro catch on.[/citation]
See, this is where you show your ignorance. Because something has a similar interface, it must be the exact same product. Very wrong.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

@'killerclicke'

You have a lot of useless message ratings...your posts must suck, therefore you suck. Go away.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]frozonic[/nom]this is why i hate/love the current technology system, things get outdated in less than a year and they are all cheaply made, a lightbulb used to last more than 10 years a few decades ago, now the barely last for a year! and it is like that just to make us buy more light bulbs, the same thing happens to refrigerators, AC, everything...... but at end of the day thats the only reason we are moving so fast in technology, there is TONS of money invested on it, TONS of money that come from us[/citation]
?? I don't know about you, but the 'good old' lightbulbs only ever lasted 2-4 years for me, while my parents have 10+ year CFLs (the old school ones) that still work just fine. I just started putting in my first LED bulbs that are rated for a minimum of 10 years of use. While crap built in the '90s fell apart quickly, there is now a lot more competition and quality in the market, and while things are now more likely to be replaced than repaired (because it is cheaper to replace than to pay for someone's time to fix it), breakdowns are much further in-between than they use to be on most large appliances.

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And I am baffled that you keep intentionally ignoring what people write.How am I to just ignore something when I get programs I do want running such as Go Launcher closed because Android wants to free up RAM to allow other programs to run that I did not want running? Please, explain how it's possible to ignore that. I would love to hear that.When my launcher replacement closes to free up RAM, well, I don't really have to go into a task manager for it to be noticeable now do I? And for the record, the only things I do have running is Lookout, Skype, MSN messenger, the Weather Channel widget, the Verizon data use widget, a battery monitor widget, a photo contact widget and the Google Search widget. From what I have been told, this is not a lot.And like I said, I don't have to go into a task manager to notice that all these "pre loaded" apps are affecting me when the very first thing it closes to free up memory is Go Launcher. When Go Launcher closes, I then have to go into a task manager to see what all is running and there is the camera app, Gallery, the Verizon App store, Marketplace, the browser, the Mobile Hotspot, Slacker, Music, Play Music, Play Books, Pulse and a host of other things, much of it pre installed bloatware I do not even want on my phone. I then have to kill these tasks to get what I actually want to run to be able to run.Now do you maybe get the picture?[/citation]
I read your previous post after I asked exactly what you needed running in the background, and you when on a rant about how you just don't like them loading programs and gave no instances of how it affected you. Thanks for answering me.

That said, I have no idea about Go launcher. I also suspect there is an easy solution for you somewhere. I'd advise looking for a solution.

Personally, I have a rooted phone, because stock, the battery life on this phone is unexceptable, but it is up to 2 days worth of battery life with a good ROM and utility setup.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]scythe944[/nom]Yes, but who knows how long it will take for Verizon and other providers to "bloat" the OS with their advertising crap and special apps?[/citation]
My Samsung Omnia 7 WP, by Orange, had a few pre-installed apps.
Touch once and hold, 3 options:-
Pin to start
Rate & review
Uninstall
No more bloat, not that 3 installed apps that occupied less than 20mb classified as anything close to bloat. but hey ho...

WP does sell well not because it isnt good, or because MS doesn't market, but because carriers are being bribed with much larger wads of cash by Google than my Microsoft, when MS decides to stop playing fair and join in the bumfight it will all change.
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Oh, hang on, Verizon just said they will treat WP the same as Android - I guess the cheque must have cleared.